[CruzIzabella]

When you project, (i dont really know how to put this, so work with me) I know the mind split effect occurs. But when im out and about projecting around, while im sitting in my chair, what side will my 'main' conscious be in. My projected double or my physical? Basically, the consciousness that i have now while im typing this, will it be in a trance in my chair, or in my double?

Thanks JS.

[Nikkkola]

The mind split effect means that even if all you remember afterward is the projected double's side of things, there was a set of memories from the point of view of the physical body's side for the entire duration. There are a lot of people here who have a successful projection and only get to keep the physical body's memories; they lose the projected double's memories.

[gamblingstats]

The main is that, what is conscious for you. If I travel out of body, but I won´t remember it, the "main" not exists for me for this while. For human is main thing that, what he noticed. For example: If Satan exists and Angel exists, they will have a fight. If Satan win, he will kill you, if Angel win, you can live. Angel win, but you didn´t notice, that Satan, Angel and the fight exists, is it main for you? Of course, no. So, if your physical body lies on a bed and your real consciousness is flying in multidimensional space and getting abstractly experiences, what is the main for you? Astral experiences or physical..."nothing"? Of course...

Anyway, if you have the consciousness in astral plane or in a physical plane, it is the same consciousness with the same principle, but in astral with better experiences. Consciousness in astral plane isn´t identically real like in physical plane, it is MORE real. It has thousands reasons.

[CruzIzabella]

Umm... ya i know what you guys are saying but thats not really the question i was asking.

Put it this way: Say i get all the symptoms but nothing happens, im still in my chair. Robert said you still project but you missed the actual projection. So my double is out flying around somewhere. Will 'I', the me right now, be the one sitting in the chair or flying around?

[gamblingstats]

Nothing is flying out and nothing is missing on your body, your mind. Nothing is missing on you.

The astral body is only very very small minimum of energy, what you used. It is the same quantum of energy, what you use, when you open your eyelids. Everything is OK. Astral body is something like your consciousness and you can´t lose that, because you can´t notice, that you lose it. If you die, can you notice this fact and tell it to me? It is the same case. Nothing wrong can happen to you with AP and other techniques. It is rumors, what exists because of fear of it. Always have calm and cool mind, real dangerous not exists.

[Dkavtbek]

Umm... ya i know what you guys are saying but thats not really the question i was asking.

Put it this way: Say i get all the symptoms but nothing happens, im still in my chair. Robert said you still project but you missed the actual projection. So my double is out flying around somewhere. Will 'I', the me right now, be the one sitting in the chair or flying around?

I can give you an example of an experience I had:

I woke up in my bed to vibrations, it was the early morning. The vibrations suddenly stopped, and I stayed in my bed. I laid there without moving, thinking "oh well, I'll just go back to sleep." About 20 seconds later, it "hit me" -- I received the memories from my projected double. In this set of memories, I (my projected double) got up from bed during the vibrations, went all the way to the bathroom, and when I tried to flip the light switch, I found underwear attached to the wall where the switch should have been. I got startled because I thought I was actually physical, and snapped back to my body.

After receiving this memory, there was no telling which one was the "me right then" -- I had been in two different places at the same time, almost as if I was two different persons at the same time, viewing things from two different points of view and not communicating with one another.

So to answer your question, you will always, no matter what, be both "yous" at the same time... The only way to remember both sides, though, is to make sure they are both recording memories. Sometimes people are unable to retrieve the projected double's memories (so they'll sit in their chair and "nothing will happen"), and sometimes they're unable to record the physical's memories (so they won't remember anything besides the OBE). Usually, there'll be no memory of the OBE if you're "too awake" (not deep in trance enough to retrieve the dream/OBE memory) or if you've gone "too deep" (as is explained in Astral Dynamics regarding deep sleep).

[gamblingstats]

I have similar experiances. I was lying on a bed and I got some memories in a moment, but I was constantly feeling my physical body. Or I was in lucid dream and I was feeling physical body and dreams body at once. Thoughts in a mind are very quickly, it looks like get some memories in a moment, but it is only a speed of thoughts. Anyway, AP doesn´t depend on physical time, it is only thing of thoughts, because they have no speed limit. You can have AP in a moment and you can have the perception, that it was a few hours, it isn´t anything innatural.

[DuePew]

Just to add to all this, I frequently have projection symptoms, 'feel' my exit and not go anywhere (there is an incredible clarity when this happens-I'm learning to discern this when it happens)- but later I'll have a dream that gives me external information, and I've come to realize that the dream is the projection coming to the surface as a dream that I experience later on. The 'action' happens at the same time, but my brain processed the memory differently, and I had a dream.
So you may think you lose the memory of the experience, but you don't; you just process it as something else.

[gamblingstats]

Yes, it happened to me, when I was dreaming. I was normally in a serious dream and I was sitting on a branch. In a moment I received memories from my astral body, that I am flying high speed thru houses, thru walls, thru everything in a very high speed. I was a bit frightened, it was small shock, but I was sitting in this dream constantly on a branch and the dream continued.

The main fact is, anyway, that nothing wrong can happen with spiritual techniques like an AP and similar...

[DuePew]

The main fact is, anyway, that nothing wrong can happen with spiritual techniques like an AP and similar...

... to your body. Your emotional state is another matter.

[gamblingstats]

But before I began to do spiritual things a say to myself: "I will envisage with everything." And I am ready to keep this idea.

Human can feel even five his bodies at once. In many spheres like - dream, astral, physical plane and other...

EDIT: Somewhere it´s relative, but possible.

[CruzIzabella]

No its not that im scared. Kiwibonga cleared it up for me. I think ill just have to get used to the idea of being in 2 place (or bodies) at once. Thats not really a normal thought process you know (unless you have projected before).

Thanks JS

[DuePew]

No its not that im scared. Kiwibonga cleared it up for me. I think ill just have to get used to the idea of being in 2 place (or bodies) at once. Thats not really a normal thought process you know (unless you have projected before).

Thanks JS

Believe me when I tell you, you do get used to it. We are rather resilient that way.