[Texdolley]

Okay! So, last night I was lieing on my bed listening to one of the MAP CDs (Conscious-Exit OBE Practice). I was working on my energy, doing everything that the guy instructed me to do. During the whole excercise, I was playing around with my energy body. The guy had said that when you're on the edge of projecting, try and roll out of your body. I wasn't on the edge, but I rolled over anyways. I could feel my energy body moving around, or "rolling over".

I continue doing enery and working on my breathing it gets to a point where the guy is saying you're walking down stairs, going down down down deeper deeper deeper. Well, I was doin all that, and my energy body starts to go a bit haywire. I get kind of frustrated and I think, "I just wanna be free."

All of a sudden, I can feel my torso (of my energy body) go upwards, like floating up. And I try to go with it. Then there's this sort of pressure all over my body. Like something is holding me down from projecting or getting out of my body. So the rising body feeling subsides and i try to work on my energy as I hear that guy talking to me telling me to go deeper deeper deeper.

Well, it comes to the part where he says imagine a rope and try to climb it. WTF. I have so much trouble doing that rope technique. I find it very hard to imagine my awareness amrs climbing that. I just can't do it. And the guy wasn't giving me time to focus, he just said climb climb climb blah blah blah. so i get pissed off and turn the damn ipod off.

Well, after all of this, I noticed that I was really really close. I dont know what to do. I can't figure out the rope technique. But I was ALMOST out...I think. Any suggestions or ideas?

[citicroego]

It almost sounds like that your energy body could have been almost out, and the presure you felt was that struggle...maybe it would have been best to do the rope technique now instead of waiting until you are instructed to do so.

As for the rope technique, most people find it the easiest. If you don't, then try one of the different techniques. Or you could even go as far as physicall climbing a rope, as this would give you a good feel of how to direct your energy body to do this.

[iNYZgxNC]

Just keep on practising. It takes a bit to catch the trick. Maybe you should first practise physically.

[Texdolley]

Alright! Yea, I think I will try to climb a real rope. Hopefully that will give me the feel for it.

[unioneserry]

never have had luck w/rope technique either... sounds like you are creating some pretty good EBS... (EnergBodySensations) the pull back to your body is very strong,,, whatever technique you are using...

for me, this is the point that the vibrations are pretty damn intense... do you get vibrations??? (not all do) roll out method is the one for me.... once the vibs come in... i roll out immediately...

I have speculated that the pull back to the body, and exit sensations are natural,,, your EB system is wanting you to find the right 'exit trigger'...

anyways... keep at it... there is a prize at the end...

[Texdolley]

well earthborn! you've been the most help! lol

yes, i always vibrate! ive never projected before...but i sure have vibrated before. today i tried again and i had the vibrations. when you roll out...can you explain that to me. like...i just get all my energy and "roll out" to the right or left. ??

i always have a lot of sensations and vibratin so..im glad to hear you have them too.

yea, so that rope technique doesnt work for me...ugh. well, "ROLL OUT"...like the song..lol..no? okay..lol

thx for your help

[Texdolley]

oh! earthborn, one more thing.

this was the first time i vibrated without fallin asleep. usually i fall asleep and wake up with vibrations. this time i induced it...i guess. like i felt all the energy gettin kinda crazy and i kind of "churned all my energy" like i make it go in a circle..and then the vibrations started. and i was waiting for them to intensify and it did a little bit but it slowly goes away...

is it okay to kind of make the vibrations come, or should i wait til they come. and should i try to roll out the moment i feel any sort of vibrations. this time, today i mean, they were only on my legs...i woke up...got back in a trance, and got them again and felt a light vibration on my entire body. shouldn't i wait for them to intensify...

and once the vibrations do come...what do i think about? what should i do...like...i dont know if i should try to move my energy around..or i should just lay down and see what happens. im lost...ive been gotten past the vibrations lol

[DuePew]

If you start the rope technique you can't stop. No matter what happens around you, what the guy says, etc. You need to do the rope technique whether you think you're doing it right or not- it will 'become' more 'real' as you do it. But you can't stop. You should do it for a minimum of 15 minutes (which may be a lot) before you give up. If you have trouble remembering what a rope feels like when you go up it, get one and practice until you have memorized how it feels, and can recall the sensation. Do it until you know what it is to do it in your head. And please don't try to visualize it- that defeats the purpose.
If you already think rope is too hard and stop doing it too early, you are actually programming yourself to 'not exit' with rope. So try a different exit technique for starters, until you feel secure with it.
Remember that the CD is for practice, to teach you a projection sequence so you can learn to do it for yourself. You can and should practice the sequence on your own, and you can then use the exit technique when you're ready. Remember the CD is a training tool.

[iNYZgxNC]

Anyway, just remember that the key point in this rope technique thing is that you "change" your bodily sensations, and your body's perspective feeling.

Many, many years ago I found a method which stated that the best way to provoke the splitting was to sit down, imagine you are standing up and moving away, and -and this is the key- to rotate your imagination-body so it gets facing the physical one. So to say, your physical mind is facing north, and your astral mind is imagining it is facing south.

If you don't feel really confortable with the rope, try whatever technique that uses that movement feelings (riding a swing, a carousel, a rocking chair, a diving session,...). Just play with them, feel good, take it as a game... with joy.

[Texdolley]

alright. i will try all of these things. i plan to try to project again after i get home from gourging myself with turkey (poor turkey...) lol. i guess i just have to play with it! thanks for all of your help, all of you

[unioneserry]

I truggled with EBS for bout 6-7 years before ever projecting... my first Conscience-Exit-Projection was kinda on accident (age 17): I felt the Vibrations coming on fast and strong and got up off the couch before they could take hold... realized seconds later that i was 'out'... of course i 'rolled-out' right out of my body... just like 'rolling-out' of bed... this is the method i use because there seems to be little or no resistance, and barely any extra 'exit sensations'
some say that the vibrations are just that,,, exit sensations... and when you do get 'out', you hardly notice them any more... deep vibrations is the catalyst for 90% of my 'remembered' projections... this was the first time i vibrated without fallin asleep. usually i fall asleep and wake up with vibrations. this time i induced it Good on ya... actually, i have only done that a handful of times myself... takes practice... mostly mine come spontaneously, i am just learning NEW myself... but am finding that inducing the experience is a bit of a chore... so we are probably on the same page with that...

[unioneserry]

also: there are many 'levels' of vibrations... slow rocking, to very intense (feels like yer teeth will surely fall out) I don't try exit until they have clearly taken on a life of there own, and are vibing like crazy without me trying... you should get a sensation right about here that feels like an adreneline rush... that is alo an EBS.... very exciting and hard to stay calm... eventually the EBS will seem to be buzzing and humning on there own... this is where you exit... the pull back to your body may or may not be strong... you have to remember,,, exit techniques are trial and error... and not everyone has the same 'luck' some people don't struggle at all... boy i do... been having clear conscience OBE's for years now,,, and they are just as intense every single time... good luck... keep us updated...

[Texdolley]

lol. i will most definitely keep you updated.

lately, ive just been feelin the really slow vibrations. especially on the back of my head. its kind of annoying...I also noticed that I can easily open my eyes throughout all the time im lying on my bed..is that a bad thing?

[iNYZgxNC]

My case was even odder. I plugged my earphones, started my ipod, and selected a track, downloaded from brainwave.com (or the like). The file was made by some sort of amateur, and so was the result.

It happened that the file put me in some kind of relaxed state, so relaxed that I got asleep. In some point of the tape there was a high pitch, and I woke up in that moment.

Curiously I was on a vibrational state in that moment. It was like waking up inside a bell tower. I already remember that 3Dness state in my mind.

I definitively woke up, maybe because I got surprised by the situation.

[Texdolley]

hmmm...well...the tracks from MAP CD Companion certainly have an effect on me...they usually cause vibrations...

[unioneserry]

for the record,,, I cannot force it either... i think that you have to have natural energies occuring,,, as well as mind/will/intent... I cannot force it, but i know sometime in the next couple of weeks, it will happen...

[Texdolley]

I cannot force it, but i know sometime in the next couple of weeks, it will happen...

lol, why do you say that?

AND

How do you know it will happen within the next couple of weeks?

[unioneserry]

well,,, you have to understand,,, these phenomenon come at me randomly, without warning most times... mostly as i am waking up from sleeping/napping... from small EBS to full ConscienceExitProjection...
Full body event happen 4 or 5 times per month... give er take... I just started energy work even Months ago... I can (like you) induce some very aggressive EBS,,, but (like you) still cannot produce a full body exit experience... I have had hundreds of exits, (mostly short OBE's)... I can tell you all about RTZ and the 'mechanics' of OBE... but (like you) i cannot induce the experience... i just have to wait... I am very confident that i will be succesful, as long as i stay with it... just like you...

[Texdolley]

lol. well it seems we have things in common lol..

well, unlike you (haha, i ruined it), I dont get spontaneous obe's. :'(

However, this morning!!!, I woke up at 5:38..cuz i had to go to school today...but i went right back to bed..i just set my alarm clock to wake me up at 6. so when i got back in bed...i started getting vibrations!!!!!!!!!!!! i think before doin it, i had thought, man, i wish i could project..and BOOM, vibrations lol. but i realized i have to go to school and that i wouldn't have enough time to do anything. so, i said go away..and they did...and i went to sleep...but it felt like in 2 seconds i woke up again to my stupid alarm. a whole 22 minutes passed in what felt like 15 seconds..BLAST! i hate school! lol

well, make sure you tell me when you can induce a concious-exit obe! ill be waiting!!!

[unioneserry]

so when i got back in bed...i started getting vibrations!!!!!!!!!!!! i think before doin it, i had thought, man, i wish i could project..and BOOM, vibrations lol yeah it will happen like that... at certain stages of sleep/trance, you can induce strong full body sensations with just a thought... other times, it seems you have to work at it for long time... have you ever had waking paralysis??? that is: waking, to find out you are completely paralyzed??? not so much fun if you don't know what is happening... but it is also a natural occurance... usually all of my EBS are joined with paralysis... have not yet figured out a way to induce that either... at one point (early on) the vibrations did not occur without being preceeded by the paralysis... now i hardly notice not being able to move my physical body... thats why roll out method is so easy,,, cuz i am paralyzed, and i just mimick the action of getting up normally,,, and i am 'out'...
well, make sure you tell me when you can induce a concious-exit obe! ill be waiting!!! oh, fo sho!!!