[ZXRamon]

Around 4am, I awoke to find myself already in the throws of some very intense vibrations. I recognized them as such, and in the excitement threw anything I have read or studied about projection techniques out the window. As I was already laying on my stomach, I proceeded to do what I had done with what I once called "False Awakenings" coming out of Sleep Paralysis and pushed myself from my matteress and out of my body... I got my energy body to its knees and found I hadn't built enough pure-energy to have a strong projection. This weakend state only ended me back up on the floor, inside my physical body. After attempting to calm myself to a working extent, I felt the energy coursing through me and attempted to do some raising exercises. After a few leg bounces, Once again I was brought to my knees, but this time kneeling. As if I where fighting gravity, but it had lessened a great deal compared to the first seemingly futile attempt at projection.... However, I once again failed and fell flat on my pure-energetic face. Luckily, I could still feel almost violent, powerful vibrations. A few more seconds of energy raising and a strong will brought me to my feet completely, and after I had broken free of my fleshy prison the intensly heavy feeling almost fully vanished. I looked back in amazement for the "silver cord" and failed to find one, after that, I looked for my body... However it was very dark in the basement and I couldn't see a thing except a few shapes outlined very slightly by the flashing light coming from the stereo I sleep near. Even the light from that, though I didn't focus on it or study it in the least, seemed to be ultraviolet and I could almost see the light coming in streams from the machine. How this wasn't odd to me at the time, I didn't know.

Finally I made my way upstairs, floating about in a sort of awe. I really hadn't expected to project. This was really sort of scary at first. The term "Spontianious OBE" comes to mind when I think about this. Perhaps a little more reading in that area will have to be done. It was well lit upstairs and everything was quite detailed. The only real differences in scenery where the fact that I felt weightless and the lighting was vivid in a not so bright, yet weird sense... Upstairs is where things got even more out of the ordinary. When I turned the corner to go into the living room, the thought of "can they see me?" As soon as I thought of this, I thought formed someone walking into the dining room. And I jumped at them in an attempt to scare them. Looking back on this silly jesture that absolutly proved how new I am to the astral realm, I haven't the slightest why I would make up someone in order to scare them away. This thoughtform ran off after making an experession very close to that of the Home Alone kid. For some reason I thought I saw my soon to be father-in-law sitting at the dining room table, but I ignored him and walked into the living room fully, around the two recliners. After this, the wise words of Robert Bruce entered my copied shadowmind. "Keep your first projection short". And almost instantly, I was comfortably re-intergrating, all thoughts focused on downloading my entire projection experience into my base-level conciousness. I awoke, unable to believe what had just happend to me.

I sat, looking at the ceiling of the basement. It had all seemed so real as I was doing it. But now I had come to grasp with how out there it really was. Everything I did or thought seemed to be mulitplied in speed. Lights where differnt. Things where just odd in general. As soon as I rememberd seeing my In-Law, the basement door opened and down he walked to get his daily coke from the fridge. Did I ACTUALLY see him sitting at the table upstairs when I was projecting? I may never know.

For fear of losing the memory of my very first concious projection, I stayed awake for a good while, thinking about what had just happend. After a few minutes of repeating the scenario in my head, I tried to meditate a bit more and perhaps find those vibrations again. Instead, I fell into a very light sleep paralysis in which I sensed a dark figure in front of me, almost face to face. It scared me to the core but I had read something about this. Don't remember what exactly, aside from the fact that some people saw this object as if it had red eyes, but just the fact that others knew and understood what I was experiencing kept me calm and I was quite capable of waking myself again.... I slept the rest of the night normally. This is good progress, I think, even though I have recently just been focusing on energy work and mediation.









Thoughts? Facts? Was this really a projection or a very lucid dream?

[olivelappers]

First of all, congratulations!

A few more seconds of energy raising and a strong will brought me to my feet completely, and after I had broken free of my fleshy prison the intensly heavy feeling almost fully vanished.

I was quite amused reading that part about the "fleshy prison". Nice term

However it was very dark in the basement and I couldn't see a thing except a few shapes outlined very slightly by the flashing light coming from the stereo I sleep near.

Hmm, how come you're sleeping in the basement? Aren't most bedrooms upstairs? (Just wondering, sorry!)

As soon as I rememberd seeing my In-Law, the basement door opened and down he walked to get his daily coke from the fridge. Did I ACTUALLY see him sitting at the table upstairs when I was projecting? I may never know.

Why don't you ask him where he was while you were out?

Thoughts? Facts? Was this really a projection or a very lucid dream?

Now, this was what I was planning to ask you! Since you just had your first OOBE, did it look/feel real? I'm asking this beacuse I may have had 2 OOBEs, and during the experience I was absolutely sure I was out of body. But the moment my consciousness is back in my body lying on the bed, I question whether the experience was an OOBE or some type of LD.

How can you be sure about this? I don't know. Can the most experienced ones tell us, because it is troubling me too. I was so excited and happy when I had those two experiences, but still I can't tell if they were "real" OOBEs or not.

I beleive that the problem lies into the abrupt shift of consciousness. I'd like to elaborate a bit in this (hope I'm not getting too off-topic, trying to help us all here!). It is my beleif, that all memories of our past waking-life experiences, are not too clear. I mean, when we recall something we lived an hour ago, we can't vividly re-create it in our mind's eye, we don't remember details of all things that were there (the ones we didn't notice). But that doesn't make us beleive that the memory is one of a dream, because we know we did experience that memory in real life, just an hour ago.

During an OOBE (if what we experience is an OOBE), we are sure that it's real; at that moment if feels real, we felt the exit from the body, the shift of consciousness, the movement. But upon re-entry, we're puzzled, and perhaps this is due to the abrupt movement of consciousness back to the body (together with the supposed "shadow memory download" problems). So my point is that even though we have memories of a real OOBE, we're only accustomed to shifting our consciousness back and forth while sleeping, hence we're considering that what we had experienced was nothing but a dream.

I don't know if this all makes sense, I hope it does. So, could the experienced projectors help us clear this out? We'd like to beleive that what we had experienced was "valid" OOBEs!

[Indidockobeni]

Congratulations Three_Nails!

[strollerssfsfs]

Congrats, 3N. I'll try to tackle some of your questions.
Everything I did or thought seemed to be mulitplied in speed. Lights where differnt. Things where just odd in general. As soon as I rememberd seeing my In-Law, the basement door opened and down he walked to get his daily coke from the fridge. Did I ACTUALLY see him sitting at the table upstairs when I was projecting? I may never know. An observation based on my experiences: When I'm out and about, I feel that my sight (when it's 'on') is more like the representations of an IR camera than any other type of representation (like when you tape with a heat-vision filter). When I'm having astral sight it's more like using your 'regular eyes' with a little difference in tonality. I thought I'd mention this because it's something I've experienced in my sighted projections.
As to his 'being there' there are a lot of different explanations: You 'created' him by thinking about him, or you tuned into the recent past (or even the recent future)- the Alice in Wonderland effect can cause those types of reality fluctuations. You can see a door that used to be there or will be there tomorrow- it's just 'close enough' to 'now' to register in the RTZ. So the best thing is to ask him what he was doing that day, and see what he says. (I would say that 'I thought of you all of a sudden') if you don't want to 'fess up.
As to the memory download problem, I have a theory based on just thoughts that I get- I think that the memory problems arise from the amount of left-brain involvement that you were having at the time. I think when we write keywords and then look at them, we are impressing leftbrain action on what essentially is a rightbrain activity (dreaming) and as we know, we hardly ever remember nonlucid dreams- and as you know, lucidity is brought on by the presence of the 'judging' conscious mind. And IMO this is a leftbrain deal. So if you have a projection and the ability to write keywords, this makes the experience 'come flooding back in'. Just an idea.
Congratulations again. I'm always happy when someone projects for the first time. Makes me feel we're here for a reason.

[ZXRamon]

Yeah. My current living situtation is a bummer. I am living with my fiance' in her parent's house until the beginning of next summer when we will get our own place. 7 months ago, I was kicked out on my ass and living out of my car with no education, money, or shelter. It sucked. Not saying ♥♥♥♥ still doesn't suck, but it is getting better and now that I have fully enrolled into college things seem to be going a bit smoother.

I would ask if I had seen him, but it is a very "religious" household and sadly, I believe their ignorance would give them another reason to dislike me. My woman actually doesn't like my becoming an introvert, so energy work and meditation are done when nobody is around, or at night when they are all in bed. I cant talk to my Father-in-Law about the weather. Much less "Hey, man, what where you sitting at the dining room table at 4:30 am?" See my problem? I just don't want stuff getting more awkward than it already is.

Yeah. I'm almost 1000% positive that what I had was a Spontanious OBE. I woke up in vibrational stage in what I think was my Real Time Body. Things, as far as I saw, where close to reality... Aside from the thoughtformed thing in the hallway and my "Dweller" experience when I fell back into paralysis. I had a Lucid Dream just recently and... Whoa.. It was so much like a dream. This felt like it was actually happening until I re-intergrated.


Thank you all so much for your replies. They have made me very happy. I just can't wait for the day I can meditate, enter trance, and go into a full projection willfully. The Spontanious thing was groovy and all, but due to how unexpected it was and it being my first time, I was scared through most of it... Had a lot of questions and didn't know what to look for or do... If I could control when I had my projections, stuff would be even better.

[olivelappers]

Yeah. My current living situtation is a bummer. I am living with my fiance' in her parent's house until the beginning of next summer when we will get our own place. 7 months ago, I was kicked out on my ass and living out of my car with no education, money, or shelter. It sucked. Not saying ♥♥♥♥ still doesn't suck, but it is getting better and now that I have fully enrolled into college things seem to be going a bit smoother.

Sorry to hear that (and bringing it up, silly of me). I wish you the best having your own place and in your life generally.

I would ask if I had seen him, but it is a very "religious" household and sadly, I believe their ignorance would give them another reason to dislike me. My woman actually doesn't like my becoming an introvert, so energy work and meditation are done when nobody is around, or at night when they are all in bed. I cant talk to my Father-in-Law about the weather. Much less "Hey, man, what where you sitting at the dining room table at 4:30 am?" See my problem? I just don't want stuff getting more awkward than it already is.

Heh, yeah you better keep your OOBEs undercover, that kind of people are not the ones who take it in an open-minded fashion!

Good luck with your next OOBE!