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**tevyrefficy** · 08-02-2007, 10:01 AM

My dear friend Kayla moved to Finland recently. Being that I live in America for the better part of the year or Australia when I'm not here, I never see her. I was wondering how to go about pulling her out of her body? She doesn't know how to project, but she knows how to get into a trance with sleep paralysis, and how to get energy moving.

She said I should try to pull her out sometime, and we're going to set a date (if I can manage to get out myself, which is proving marvelously difficult as of late) to do so. So in the unlikely event that I'm able to exit, how do I go about going to get her?

**Haibundadam** · 08-02-2007, 12:13 PM

In Astral Dynamics Robert Bruce says it is impossible to pull someone out from his experience....

**AbraxiaAsus** · 08-02-2007, 10:54 PM

It can be done. The other person has to be close to being able to project and going through the routine such as relaxing, clearing their mind, and getting right up to the point of being about to go out of body. It has to be someone who is very comfortable with you, because pulling someone out can feel like an attack from their side. If you meet those conditions, however, you can go to the person and pull that person out of body. The only remaining problem at that point is that the person is almost certain to not remember the experience. That's just speaking generally about it, rather than being specific to the situation you are talking about, of course.

Have you tried remote viewing? If you can use it to watch Kayla you can probably pull her out of body without actually being out of body yourself.

**jeargefef** · 08-03-2007, 01:10 AM

I did it to my hubby, but it was extremely difficult, and he was in the same room with me and expected me to do it. So, not impossible, but extremely difficult.

**tevyrefficy** · 08-03-2007, 05:00 AM

It can be done. The other person has to be close to being able to project and going through the routine such as relaxing, clearing their mind, and getting right up to the point of being about to go out of body. It has to be someone who is very comfortable with you, because pulling someone out can feel like an attack from their side. If you meet those conditions, however, you can go to the person and pull that person out of body. The only remaining problem at that point is that the person is almost certain to not remember the experience. That's just speaking generally about it, rather than being specific to the situation you are talking about, of course.

Have you tried remote viewing? If you can use it to watch Kayla you can probably pull her out of body without actually being out of body yourself. She knows the process of projecting but I'm pretty sure she's like me- has problems with the actual exit. She and I are complete best friends though, I'm sure she'd be ok with it, but she's never experienced something like an OBE before so it might actually scare the living Jesus out of her, so perhaps this is a bad idea after all.

As for remote viewing, I've asked before, and never really understood how to do it. I would much rather remote view, but I have no clue how. Someone always links me to this military thing about remote viewing but it's so bloody wordy I never understand a bit of it.

**AbraxiaAsus** · 08-03-2007, 05:19 AM

Remote viewing feels like remembering what something looks like. You get about the same amount of detail as well. Usually the problem is that the pictures tend to come quickly and fade away before you even realize you saw them. As an example, think about a familiar room that you don't happen to be in right now. You probably have mental pictures coming to mind of what the room looks like. Remote viewing involves training yourself to be able to "remember" something you haven't seen before and to be able to keep the picture long enough to do something with it.

**tevyrefficy** · 08-03-2007, 05:24 AM

ooooohhhh. That is indeed a MUCH better explanation of it than I ever heard. I figured it was like...psychically seeing things from afar. Unless that is actually what it is haha. How do I go about doing this?

**jeargefef** · 08-03-2007, 05:38 AM

Remote viewing feels like remembering what something looks like. You get about the same amount of detail as well. Usually the problem is that the pictures tend to come quickly and fade away before you even realize you saw them. As an example, think about a familiar room that you don't happen to be in right now. You probably have mental pictures coming to mind of what the room looks like. Remote viewing involves training yourself to be able to "remember" something you haven't seen before and to be able to keep the picture long enough to do something with it.

I don't know. When I remote view I actually physically see what I'm looking at, like watching a tv. It is different from remembering something, because when I remember something, firstly, I have to 'call it in' (that is, think about it first) and then imagine it in my mind's eye, which to me is not like looking at a tv screen. For me it's a completely different experience.

ooooohhhh. That is indeed a MUCH better explanation of it than I ever heard. I figured it was like...psychically seeing things from afar. Unless that is actually what it is haha. How do I go about doing this?

Just go into a meditation with the target in mind, and wait to see what comes. It's like phasing, but with a prearranged target in mind, and without 'merging' into the landscape.

**Smittoh** · 08-03-2007, 05:41 AM

I think these are two different phenomena - Remote Viewing has always been a misleading term. It's more like pulling in information about the target than projecting/phasing there.

The term Remote Viewing describes a pretty special kind of psychic experience together with its associated protocol.

Oliver

http://www.irva.org/papers/WhatisRV.html

**AbraxiaAsus** · 08-03-2007, 05:49 AM

That's exactly what remote viewing is.

It isn't really directly about making yourself see something in your mind's eye. Usually you have something to connect you to where you want to view. In this case, you have a person. Start by seeing how thinking of Kayla feels and go from there. It is more feeling your way into this than seeing, but pictures will come along and they will be like you are remembering the information even though it is not actually memory because it is new information. The process is familiar, because you do it all the time. What do you do when you know someone's name but it isn't coming to you? The information is there, but it is temporarily blocked. You know the information is there because later on when you don't need it anymore it will come back to you. With remote viewing you are playing a game with yourself, just like chasing a memory that is on the tip of your brain. The more you can relax and work with feelings rather than words, the easier it will be to get around the mental blocks.

edit - double-cross-posted.

**tevyrefficy** · 08-03-2007, 01:52 PM

I think I basically understand what you mean Tom, but how can I know if I'm remote viewing or if my conscious mind is playing tricks on me? How do I know if I'm remote viewing, or simply imagining that something is happening in real time?

And CF, you literally physically see what you're trying to see? And how does it work for you like...you see similar how to you see in a lucid dream, or you literally physically see it with your eyes? or minds eye? Bah i'm bloody confused now

Yet somehow I feel like this would be easier than an OBE on both our parts. I will try this tonight though. CF your experience sounds a lot different...what do you do to remote view?

**CibQueersejer** · 08-03-2007, 03:56 PM

how can I know if I'm remote viewing or if my conscious mind is playing tricks on me? How do I know if I'm remote viewing, or simply imagining that something is happening in real time?

It's just a matter of practice and experience. After a while, you start to recognise when it's remote viewing and when it's a daydream (for lack of a better word). But sometimes, the two things are completely mixed up with each other, and you "see" stuff that's real and also "fill in" with stuff from your imagination. That's where the practice and experience comes in.

I've been doing this sort of thing for ages. I just do it instinctively. I don't do it that often now, only when I really need/want to "go looking". I mostly use it to do what I think of as looking around inside someone else's head, sort of visiting their inner landscape. People have often been kind of weirded out by how well I can "read" them, well, that's why. I do consider it a bit rude to go poking around it other peoples' heads so I don't do it that much or in a way that will be intrusive, and I try very hard not to go/do anything that will genuinely invade their privacy. (I had someone poke around in my own inner landscape once and it seemed like a major invasion, so I'm very careful about how I go about it; the person doing it didn't think I'd be able to tell she was there... HAH!)

As for how much of it is my imagination... Well... I DO have to interpret things with my own mind. It's the only mind I have. I have to use symbols that mean something to me, or that I can interpret, otherwise it's just gibberish (I highly recommend the book "Good Omens" by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman for an excellent example of a completely accurate psychic who just had NO CLUE what she was seeing, and how useless her prophecies were as a result).

Anyway, you just have to practice and trust yourself. In time, you kind of learn how to weed out the bits that aren't worth paying attention to, but even then, I've never met anyone who was 100% accurate all the time. Your own mind always gets in the way, and remember, you're looking through a "veil", so things can be a bit mysterious or strange and get misinterpreted.

That's my take on it, anyway.

**Smittoh** · 08-03-2007, 03:56 PM

That's why remote viewers follow exact protocols to develop and verify their skills so they can rely on them when they need to. Get one of Joseph McMoneagle's books - they have quite some detail about that.

Oliver

**CibQueersejer** · 08-03-2007, 03:57 PM

That's why remote viewers follow exact protocols to develop and verify their skills so they can rely on them when they need to. Get one of Joseph McMoneagle's books - they have quite some detail about that.

Excellent, thanks for that tip. I'm always happy to learn better techniques!

**Smittoh** · 08-03-2007, 03:59 PM

(I highly recommend the book "Good Omens" by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman for an excellent example of a completely accurate psychic who just had NO CLUE what she was seeing, and how useless her prophecies were as a result).

And it's the worst Pratchett I ever read...

Oliver

**Smittoh** · 08-03-2007, 04:00 PM

Excellent, thanks for that tip. I'm always happy to learn better techniques!

Cross-post mania! It was for Rain, iF - you are not allowed!

Oliver

**tevyrefficy** · 08-04-2007, 05:17 AM

Do you have to be in a hypnagogic trance or anything to do this? Probably right? I'm just not sure how to go about it now that i've got the basic info on it. Thanks for all your responses so far they've been really helpful

08-02-2007, 10:01 AM	#1
tevyrefficy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 446 Senior Member	Pull someone out? My dear friend Kayla moved to Finland recently. Being that I live in America for the better part of the year or Australia when I'm not here, I never see her. I was wondering how to go about pulling her out of her body? She doesn't know how to project, but she knows how to get into a trance with sleep paralysis, and how to get energy moving. She said I should try to pull her out sometime, and we're going to set a date (if I can manage to get out myself, which is proving marvelously difficult as of late) to do so. So in the unlikely event that I'm able to exit, how do I go about going to get her? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-02-2007, 12:13 PM	#2
Haibundadam Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 434 Senior Member	In Astral Dynamics Robert Bruce says it is impossible to pull someone out from his experience.... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-02-2007, 10:54 PM	#3
AbraxiaAsus Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 428 Senior Member	It can be done. The other person has to be close to being able to project and going through the routine such as relaxing, clearing their mind, and getting right up to the point of being about to go out of body. It has to be someone who is very comfortable with you, because pulling someone out can feel like an attack from their side. If you meet those conditions, however, you can go to the person and pull that person out of body. The only remaining problem at that point is that the person is almost certain to not remember the experience. That's just speaking generally about it, rather than being specific to the situation you are talking about, of course. Have you tried remote viewing? If you can use it to watch Kayla you can probably pull her out of body without actually being out of body yourself. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2007, 01:10 AM	#4
jeargefef Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 649 Senior Member	I did it to my hubby, but it was extremely difficult, and he was in the same room with me and expected me to do it. So, not impossible, but extremely difficult. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2007, 05:00 AM	#5
tevyrefficy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 446 Senior Member	It can be done. The other person has to be close to being able to project and going through the routine such as relaxing, clearing their mind, and getting right up to the point of being about to go out of body. It has to be someone who is very comfortable with you, because pulling someone out can feel like an attack from their side. If you meet those conditions, however, you can go to the person and pull that person out of body. The only remaining problem at that point is that the person is almost certain to not remember the experience. That's just speaking generally about it, rather than being specific to the situation you are talking about, of course. Have you tried remote viewing? If you can use it to watch Kayla you can probably pull her out of body without actually being out of body yourself. She knows the process of projecting but I'm pretty sure she's like me- has problems with the actual exit. She and I are complete best friends though, I'm sure she'd be ok with it, but she's never experienced something like an OBE before so it might actually scare the living Jesus out of her, so perhaps this is a bad idea after all. As for remote viewing, I've asked before, and never really understood how to do it. I would much rather remote view, but I have no clue how. Someone always links me to this military thing about remote viewing but it's so bloody wordy I never understand a bit of it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2007, 05:19 AM	#6
AbraxiaAsus Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 428 Senior Member	Remote viewing feels like remembering what something looks like. You get about the same amount of detail as well. Usually the problem is that the pictures tend to come quickly and fade away before you even realize you saw them. As an example, think about a familiar room that you don't happen to be in right now. You probably have mental pictures coming to mind of what the room looks like. Remote viewing involves training yourself to be able to "remember" something you haven't seen before and to be able to keep the picture long enough to do something with it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2007, 05:24 AM	#7
tevyrefficy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 446 Senior Member	ooooohhhh. That is indeed a MUCH better explanation of it than I ever heard. I figured it was like...psychically seeing things from afar. Unless that is actually what it is haha. How do I go about doing this? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2007, 05:38 AM	#8
jeargefef Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 649 Senior Member	Remote viewing feels like remembering what something looks like. You get about the same amount of detail as well. Usually the problem is that the pictures tend to come quickly and fade away before you even realize you saw them. As an example, think about a familiar room that you don't happen to be in right now. You probably have mental pictures coming to mind of what the room looks like. Remote viewing involves training yourself to be able to "remember" something you haven't seen before and to be able to keep the picture long enough to do something with it. I don't know. When I remote view I actually physically see what I'm looking at, like watching a tv. It is different from remembering something, because when I remember something, firstly, I have to 'call it in' (that is, think about it first) and then imagine it in my mind's eye, which to me is not like looking at a tv screen. For me it's a completely different experience. ooooohhhh. That is indeed a MUCH better explanation of it than I ever heard. I figured it was like...psychically seeing things from afar. Unless that is actually what it is haha. How do I go about doing this? Just go into a meditation with the target in mind, and wait to see what comes. It's like phasing, but with a prearranged target in mind, and without 'merging' into the landscape. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2007, 05:41 AM	#9
Smittoh Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 627 Senior Member	I think these are two different phenomena - Remote Viewing has always been a misleading term. It's more like pulling in information about the target than projecting/phasing there. The term Remote Viewing describes a pretty special kind of psychic experience together with its associated protocol. Oliver http://www.irva.org/papers/WhatisRV.html Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2007, 05:49 AM	#10
AbraxiaAsus Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 428 Senior Member	That's exactly what remote viewing is. It isn't really directly about making yourself see something in your mind's eye. Usually you have something to connect you to where you want to view. In this case, you have a person. Start by seeing how thinking of Kayla feels and go from there. It is more feeling your way into this than seeing, but pictures will come along and they will be like you are remembering the information even though it is not actually memory because it is new information. The process is familiar, because you do it all the time. What do you do when you know someone's name but it isn't coming to you? The information is there, but it is temporarily blocked. You know the information is there because later on when you don't need it anymore it will come back to you. With remote viewing you are playing a game with yourself, just like chasing a memory that is on the tip of your brain. The more you can relax and work with feelings rather than words, the easier it will be to get around the mental blocks. edit - double-cross-posted. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2007, 01:52 PM	#11
tevyrefficy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 446 Senior Member	I think I basically understand what you mean Tom, but how can I know if I'm remote viewing or if my conscious mind is playing tricks on me? How do I know if I'm remote viewing, or simply imagining that something is happening in real time? And CF, you literally physically see what you're trying to see? And how does it work for you like...you see similar how to you see in a lucid dream, or you literally physically see it with your eyes? or minds eye? Bah i'm bloody confused now Yet somehow I feel like this would be easier than an OBE on both our parts. I will try this tonight though. CF your experience sounds a lot different...what do you do to remote view? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2007, 03:56 PM	#12
CibQueersejer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	how can I know if I'm remote viewing or if my conscious mind is playing tricks on me? How do I know if I'm remote viewing, or simply imagining that something is happening in real time? It's just a matter of practice and experience. After a while, you start to recognise when it's remote viewing and when it's a daydream (for lack of a better word). But sometimes, the two things are completely mixed up with each other, and you "see" stuff that's real and also "fill in" with stuff from your imagination. That's where the practice and experience comes in. I've been doing this sort of thing for ages. I just do it instinctively. I don't do it that often now, only when I really need/want to "go looking". I mostly use it to do what I think of as looking around inside someone else's head, sort of visiting their inner landscape. People have often been kind of weirded out by how well I can "read" them, well, that's why. I do consider it a bit rude to go poking around it other peoples' heads so I don't do it that much or in a way that will be intrusive, and I try very hard not to go/do anything that will genuinely invade their privacy. (I had someone poke around in my own inner landscape once and it seemed like a major invasion, so I'm very careful about how I go about it; the person doing it didn't think I'd be able to tell she was there... HAH!) As for how much of it is my imagination... Well... I DO have to interpret things with my own mind. It's the only mind I have. I have to use symbols that mean something to me, or that I can interpret, otherwise it's just gibberish (I highly recommend the book "Good Omens" by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman for an excellent example of a completely accurate psychic who just had NO CLUE what she was seeing, and how useless her prophecies were as a result). Anyway, you just have to practice and trust yourself. In time, you kind of learn how to weed out the bits that aren't worth paying attention to, but even then, I've never met anyone who was 100% accurate all the time. Your own mind always gets in the way, and remember, you're looking through a "veil", so things can be a bit mysterious or strange and get misinterpreted. That's my take on it, anyway. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2007, 03:57 PM	#14
CibQueersejer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 361 Senior Member	That's why remote viewers follow exact protocols to develop and verify their skills so they can rely on them when they need to. Get one of Joseph McMoneagle's books - they have quite some detail about that. Excellent, thanks for that tip. I'm always happy to learn better techniques! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2007, 03:59 PM	#15
Smittoh Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 627 Senior Member	(I highly recommend the book "Good Omens" by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman for an excellent example of a completely accurate psychic who just had NO CLUE what she was seeing, and how useless her prophecies were as a result). And it's the worst Pratchett I ever read... Oliver Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2007, 04:00 PM	#16
Smittoh Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 627 Senior Member	Excellent, thanks for that tip. I'm always happy to learn better techniques! Cross-post mania! It was for Rain, iF - you are not allowed! Oliver Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-04-2007, 05:17 AM	#17
tevyrefficy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 446 Senior Member	Do you have to be in a hypnagogic trance or anything to do this? Probably right? I'm just not sure how to go about it now that i've got the basic info on it. Thanks for all your responses so far they've been really helpful Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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