[Aagotiq]

I know this is long, but PLEASE PLEASE READ it all. Nothing like this has ever happened to me and I really don't know what it was. Thanks for any input. Remember that this all happened in a DARK room with no color.

Yesterday morning I was having a dream. To make a long story short, in the latter part of my dream, my eyes were closed (in my dream) as I was "resting." It was then that I started to see a tiny blue or green orb with yellow light around it. I felt like this orb had come to me (it's hard to decribe) to "put me in my place" or "confront" me. I then saw writing, numbers or something like that moving on a black background very quickly. They were like streams of characters. At that point, I tried to "open" my dream eyes.

It was then, that I realized I was awake/had woken myself up. I then saw something red in front of me. It was blurry, so I tried focusing on it and it got clearer and then got blurrier again.

The strange thing is, is that at this point (and earlier) I realized I was awake, however, I believed my eyes to be closed.

I focused on it again, and it got about 90% clear. I was seeing red and other colors (bright colors I must add) Although it wasn't absolutely crystal clear, I identified what it was. While I was looking at it I thought to myself..."Oh, it's the wagon." It was not moving and it was only this one object in my field of vision. I saw the length and height of it and other colors on top of it. The wagon looked like my child's wagon as it has different little affixed play things on top of it. I was seeing it as if I was laying on my belly. Even though as I was having this experience I was laying on my side on the bed.

After this, it started to blur out, and questioning whether my eye was open or not, I raised my physical left hand and touched my RIGHT eyelid to see if it was open. It was NOT. I don't know why I only wanted to check my right eye????? However, I knew my left eye was closed.

*********Okay, now the weirdest part of all. When I was seeing all of this, it was like I was seeing it through a fish? lens. Where the center of your vision is clear, but as you go out it got blurrier and then greyer and then black. It reminded me of psychic shows where they flash on someone having a flashback or seeing into the future, etc....

I guess I should never have moved as I was not able to get the color back, but now I was seeing black and grey shadows and I must honestly say that I believe my right eyelid was open a tiny tiny bit at this point. I saw a dark shadow going repetitively into my husband. I believe this was probably just the movement of my eye as it was looking around.

The other thing is, is that it was still dark in my room. The only thing you could see was dark grey and black shadows. I know this for a fact because after this experience I wrote it all down. There was absolutely no color in my room.





Later that morning when I was telling the story to my husband, my "almost" 3 year old comes into the living room and tells me there is a bug in his wagon (he hardly ever uses it). I go into the playroom, and there is the wagon that I saw in my experience with a live little beetle in it. I MUST POINT OUT that I HAD POSITIVELY NOT told my husband yet what the object was that I had seen. I threw the bug outside.

You may think I am strange saying the next things.... I thought 3 things.

1. That certainly was a coincidence

2. Maybe I was seeing from the bugs point of view

3. Maybe it was my son trying to contact me. My 14 year old son died a little over 2 years ago and if you have ever had a child die (which is more painful than anything in this world...and still is), you try to see answers everywhere. Nothing is left unturned.


Please let me know what you think this was. Thank you
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[Aagotiq]

68 people have looked at this thread and no one has any input?

[jeargefef]

When I was reading this I thought I had read this before, but a long time ago (not just last month.) Did you post this somewhere else before?
The first part sounded to me like a lucid dream, but it's possible that you did some remote viewing from the point of view of the bug- I don't really have any answers really, just the strange feeling of deja vu about this post.

[Aagotiq]

Thanks for the reply. So that is what lucid dreaming feels/looks like?

I don't know about the bug, it's strange...maybe just coinidence.

I have never posted this anywhere else as it had just happened and I am not part of any other forums like this one.

[jeargefef]

Weird. Maybe I need coffee.

[ashleyjoseph]

Howdihi,

That was an interesting experience to say the least. I think what you had was an OBE. Whenever I've done this it's the strangest feeling. Once I was viewing from inside of a cat. The cat was running from something and kept looking back over it's shoulder. I could feel it's emotional state, which was fear. I could even feel the wet grass on it's chin. It was very cool. What you've described sounds similar to that.

As far as your Son trying to make contact, I'm not sure that I see the connection. Did he like bugs or have a fascination with them? That would be a connection to look for.

You also didn't state if this bug was indiginous to your area, that would also be an indicator. Things being SO out of place that there would be no other explanation of it being there.

Also, I want to mention that I'm sorry to hear about your loss, I can't even begin to imagine the pain and sorrow of a loss of that magnitude. Blessings to you and yours.

[Aagotiq]

Perhaps your son had come back in spirit to give you a message that he is okay, using the co-incidence as some kind of indication of the truth of his presence. Do you feel like you've spoken with him since he passed away?

At the end of the day, you are the best judge of your feelings, if intuition tells you it was him, you are probably right.

Several days after he died, I had a short lucid (I think... I don't think I really understand if I have had a lucid dream or not yet) dream. I was walking out of my mothers house and he was walking in. I remember my moher was working at the computer in the kitchen and my step father washing dishes. It all seemed pretty real. Much more than many other dreams I have had. As Christopher started to pass me, I grabbed him and hugged him and said "I love you sooo soooo soooo soooo much. I thought I felt him move/cry or something. However, I think it may have been me, as shortly after I was telling him of my love, I woke up and I was sobbing violently. I remember telling everyone that all I wanted to do was hug him again.

I have dreams of him, less as time goes on.... the dreams that I can remember anyway. However, everytime I do dream of him, I am trying to tell him how much I love him and I want to talk to him. I am also trying to save him and he keeps dying in different ways. It's excruciating. : ( I ALWAYS start crying/sobbing in my dreams and then I always wake in pain. I love him and miss him so incredibly much.

I want to believe anything, and I struggle at times with my most pragmatic mind.

I know this for sure. I can't EVER deny the possibility of anything as it will only be denying him.

[Aagotiq]

Howdihi,

That was an interesting experience to say the least. I think what you had was an OBE. Whenever I've done this it's the strangest feeling. Once I was viewing from inside of a cat. The cat was running from something and kept looking back over it's shoulder. I could feel it's emotional state, which was fear. I could even feel the wet grass on it's chin. It was very cool. What you've described sounds similar to that.

As far as your Son trying to make contact, I'm not sure that I see the connection. Did he like bugs or have a fascination with them? That would be a connection to look for.

You also didn't state if this bug was indiginous to your area, that would also be an indicator. Things being SO out of place that there would be no other explanation of it being there.

Also, I want to mention that I'm sorry to hear about your loss, I can't even begin to imagine the pain and sorrow of a loss of that magnitude. Blessings to you and yours.

Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. And I also appreciate your honesty.

My son did not have a fascination with bugs. He loved Legos though. I do not believe I had an obe. I had 2 as a child. And in my opinion, there is absolutely no mistaking what they are when they happen.

I think my dream of the toy was weird enough that I would lucid dream it or whatever. then the fact that my son mentioned it as I was telling the story was weird again.

It seemed like I was seeing through my closed lids while I believed myself to be VERY awake... something that should not be there (because I was in a dark room). I used to have lucid dreams as a child where I controlled my dream. But I believed myself to be awake within a dream. With this experience....I was awakeoutside my dream with my eyes closed. I just don't know....maybe it just was hynogogic imagery. But I have never had it like this

I have hypnogogic imagery wher it will be fleeting images or possibly 2-4 seconds of action imagery. But this experience didn't seem like it either, as with this type of hypnogogics, I don't feel like I have any control.

I hope that all makes sense : )[/list]

[ashleyjoseph]

Howdihi,

I think we're talking about 2 different types of experiences here. In the 'dream' state you spoke about and the clarification of your post following mine It sounds as though you had a 'conscious OBE', but that's just my .02.

As far as your Son visiting you in your dreams, that's a definitive! That is one of the most common ways that our departed ones communicate with us. They visit us in our dreams for several reasons, one being they don't want to traumatize you any more than necessary and two, it's a way they will get your attention and you will have more of an acceptance of their presense this way.

You stated it's been two years since your Son passed over, again, I can't begin to imagine your pain. I'm sure your Son is trying to let you know that he really is okay by way of dreams or however he can get your attention. Acknowledge him, talk to him out loud he can hear you. You might find that things aren't as complicated as they seem. Look for him in the things he loved to do, he'll be there for you.

[ashleyjoseph]

Alex wrote:
Afterwards, I felt that I had connected with my granddad and was seeing things from his perspective. Even though he was alive, he had slipped into dementia and I think this is how he was seeing the world, his spirit had already begun to detatch. He was tryng to show me that he was fading and confused and wanted guidance into the afterlife. I connected to him often over the next couple of months to give whatever support I could. He was living in england and I in australia at the time, and I hadn't seen or heard from him for many years, since I was a kid, so it seemed strange at first to have connected so strongly but perhaps he chose me because I was the only person "listening". I don't really know though. That is a neat experience, no one really knows why someone connects so strongly at times like these but it's a strange and wonderful experience all rolled up into a melancholy type feeling isn't it?

Your experience reminds me of my Step Dad, he passed many years ago now. He and My mom were only married about 7 or 8 years. I was a teenager at the time and since he was her like umpteenth marriage I didn't really 'connect' with him as a father type figure. Towards the end of his time he and I sat for many hours and talked. We shared some special type of connection, can't really describe it. Other than perhaps I saw him in many different lights from father, friend, to man. Since he's been gone he has visited me many times in my dreams. I look forward to seeing him and I know that he knows that I 'get it'. Perhaps that's why he comes to me?

Kind of like the connection between you and your grandfather, it's a different level of compassion and understanding I would assume came with your experience. Has your grandfather visited with you since he's passed?

[Glamyclitlemi]

It may even be something as simple as a thought form you were picking up on.

Edit: Try not to read too much into it, even if it was new to you.

[Aagotiq]

I was just looking at some of my old posts and see that I didn't get a few e-mails for a few of the last posts.

[Aagotiq]

It may even be something as simple as a thought form you were picking up on.

What is a thought form?

[jeargefef]

A thought form is a being (astral/energetic) that a human creates. It can be done on purpose with emotion, or by accident: For example, (Anger): Someone is angry at someone else and wishes something bad happened to them, and 'sends' them something. Fear: I'm walking in the dark, and I see a shadow. It's actually nothing, but my fear gives it form, and seeing it makes me more afraid- I give it more thought, now I'm feeding it, and giving it more emotion. You get the picture.
A thoughtform never becomes fully sentient, is completely dependent on the relationship of the sender/receiver. It can change form, or dissappear completely after it stops receiving emotional charge. The problem is that if someone sends a thoughtform on purpose, and the receiver continually reacts, and the original issue between both people isn't resolved, the thoughtform may develop a rudimentary sentience.
I, however, don't think that was what you experienced. (JMO)

[Aagotiq]

Howdihi,

I think we're talking about 2 different types of experiences here. In the 'dream' state you spoke about and the clarification of your post following mine It sounds as though you had a 'conscious OBE', but that's just my .02.

As far as your Son visiting you in your dreams, that's a definitive! That is one of the most common ways that our departed ones communicate with us. They visit us in our dreams for several reasons, one being they don't want to traumatize you any more than necessary and two, it's a way they will get your attention and you will have more of an acceptance of their presense this way.

You stated it's been two years since your Son passed over, again, I can't begin to imagine your pain. I'm sure your Son is trying to let you know that he really is okay by way of dreams or however he can get your attention. Acknowledge him, talk to him out loud he can hear you. You might find that things aren't as complicated as they seem. Look for him in the things he loved to do, he'll be there for you.

Thank you for the post. I say goodnight to him every night and tell him I love him, etc...

Question....Are there different "types" of obe's? I am confused. I thought there was only one type.

Again, I have had 2 obe's, and this experience was nothing like the obe's I had as a child. Also, I used to lucid dream all the time. And again, this was not a lucid dream or a dream. I knew I was physically awake. I was seeing something (through closed eyelids).

[jeargefef]

There are many types of projections, some are classified differently, depending on the type of exit. For example:
Conscious OBE: The type where you are awake and in trance, you feel separation sensations, you exit on purpose, and go out to the RTZ and then on to wherever you're going.
Spontaneous OBE: You're asleep or in trance (if in trance, you 'click out' momentarily) then find yourself out but don't remember the separation, the rest is the same.
Phasing: You are in trance, but instead of having a physical separation with/into an energy body, a vision screen opens up in front of you, you then are 'sucked into' the scene, which is a locale/plane/dream environment of the astral
Phasing with click-out: Starts out the same, but when the screen/landscape opens up, you click out and then come to inside the environment. If you're lucid it's phasing, if not you just went into a dream.

Essentially, they're all projections, but we differentiate to make things clearer. (as if )
God Bless you howdihi.

[*Playergirl*]

Hi Houdini,
I am brand new to this forum. Sorry about your son honey. That is just awful. I think you had an obe too from the bug's perspective. I find that very interesting. Have you ever sat in the dark with your eyes closed to see what sort of entities, colors, or dezigns came into focus. I think you would get a lot of information to come to you that way. Anyway.......
Mucho Blessings
Budhabee