[R1king]

I WILD occasionally whenever I'm up for the task of doing so early in the morning.

When I first got into lucid dreaming, I learned about astral projection. And being that I could induce sleep paralysis pretty easily in the mornings - I could WILD or have an OBE. At the time I thought there was a distinct difference between the two. I thought when trying to achieve an OBE, I had to "roll out" of my body, whereas WILDing, I would just have to sit and wait in sleep paralysis for a dream scape to form. OBEs interested me much more, so I quickly learned the "roll-out" technique. At first, my experiences were *very* realistic. I was convinced of another plane of existence.

As time passed, my experiences became more and more dreamlike. No longer was I interested in staying in room. I would immediately go outside, and begin my lucid adventure there. No longer did those seem like OBEs. I pretty much resorted to lucid dreaming after the initial shock of having a few OBEs passed.

Now however, I want to have some experiences like the first few I had. But every time I try, I end up having some sort of dream-like experience. Don't get me wrong, those are interesting, but I want to validate this for myself once and for all.

So I'm having a lot of trouble getting back to this "RTZ" - and am beginning to question weather or not it really exists other than inside of my mind, and the reason for this is, in the beginning, I really, really wanted to have OBEs. Now I almost really don't care if I have them or not anymore. So I could see my subconscious playing a part in granting me some experiences.

I know they happen spontaneously, but there must be some sort of way to make them occur more frequently?

1 year and 3 days from my first conscious induced OBE

[Lolita Palmer]

hey, just wondering if you have any information on the roll out technique.. none of the others are working for me so far.

Sarge

[jeargefef]

The roll out tech only works for me if I'm lying on my side. Since I OBE mostly reclined, I don't really use it anymore.

[welihiedginly]

Wow, blade you pretty much summed up the predicament that i am in right now.

The first few times i OBE'd i couldnt really interact with my surroundings very well and it felt like the RTZ. for example i had to exit my room by squeezing myself through the blinds on my window.

Now, it seems right when i get out i am pretty much dreaming, i can open my bedroom door and walk around and such, and i also encounter friends and family in which i know arent actually with me at the time because i have asked on many occasions and most of the time its in the middle of the night and there up doing dishes or something like that.

i think my problem is that i have only been OBE-ing spontaneously lately and not trying to do it after i wake up for a while, which is why i am about to try right now.

Keep me updated with your progress, id be glad to hear

[gZAhTyWY]

Yours is a common problem Blade-X.

Yours is a type of situation in which one has to be VERY careful, and go back to the mindset that allowed the original OBEs in the first place, because what has happened is expressed clearly enough in your post:

"So I'm having a lot of trouble getting back to this "RTZ" - and am beginning to question weather or not it really exists other than inside of my mind, and the reason for this is, in the beginning, I really, really wanted to have OBEs. Now I almost really don't care if I have them or not anymore. So I could see my subconscious playing a part in granting me some experiences."

In OBE, consciousness and intent IS the foundation of your experience. This is not just a surface feature, but comes from what you REALLY want and believe, consciously and subconsciously. As such, we must be cognizant at all times of our consciousness and intention, and intentionally cultivate the consciousness conducive to what we want to experience.

Want to experience the RTZ again? Try this. Forget about the RTZ acting like physical reality. The RTZ is not physical reality. It is a shadow world that reflects physical reality, but viewed through astral sight. As such, there will be anomalies - but the instant you start to doubt that what you are seeing is real, that it is 'only' in your head, you begin to reinforce the gulf between OBE and actual RTZ projection.

You have to reverse the doubting mindset and find the mindset that allowed you to OBE to the RTZ in the first place. You have to cultivate the mindset for it. If you let doubt gnaw at you, it only gets stronger, reinforcing itself, which again only makes it stronger, again turning your consciousness away from the RTZ.

When you started to OBE, you say you had REALLY strong conscious intent to OBE. THis is what opened you to RTZ. Now, after some time has gone by, doubt has weakened your intent and your openness, so it is only natural you are experiencing the problems you are experiencing.

Meditate on this, and create some affirmations to cultivate the open mindset and strong intent again, and you will see a marked change in your experiences.

Good luck!