[tipokotap]

Due to a discussion with Beekeeper, I thought I'd bring this up.

Often when I'm talking to people over IM or Internet, I feel as if I'm actually TALKING and communicating with them. Not only on this forum, but over AIM and other ways too.

I have a sense I am, and they seem to understand what I mean a lot of the time, and I understand what they mean nearly all of the time. It's like an actual conversation, and I've actually known it was over the astral before, and made an attempt to put astral communication into it.

Also, one time when I looked at a picture of one of my online friends for the first time, I heard a vocal impression and knew it was his voice. When I talked to him on the phone for the first time, I heard his voice and it matched EXACTLY with the vocal impression I had got of his voice. No hallucination here- I heard his voice when I looked at his picture.

I often know there is an astral component to my computer experiences, and I think I have a high ability to communicate over the astral if I choose to.

I go into a trance state when I'm using the computer, so much so that all I am aware of and all I see is the computer screen and/or the computer sometimes.

This is all cool, scary, and definitely productive.

[jeargefef]

I agree. Communicating in mediums such as these links you to the other people participating, especially if it's nearly in realtime.
That's why it's important to shield, if you're not ready to be accessed routinely.

[Ornamiviant]

I use to play ESP games with similar minded friends on-line such as guess the fruit, colors and shapes etc. I believe some psychic vampires feed through the internet, establishing emotional connections with words thus creating links that can reach far far away.

PM me if you wanna play some ESP games, it's fun!

[tipokotap]

My ESP is messed up at the moment by fear, and also heightened.

I think it is entirely possible that psychic vampires can feed over the Internet, and I get the sense I am sensing one psy vamp over the astral, because I often get "mind warnings" when he/she/it (no identifying information, out of respect) is about to sign off on AIM, etc. Whether we are connected or my astral is keeping tabs, I am not sure. We certainly have no physical contact anymore.

How can you recognize a psy vamp connection, and what is an effective measure to break it? The Psychic Vampire Codex says a connection is hard to break in some parts and impossible to break in others. However, I feel there is a way.

Otherwise, I think astral connections can form more easily over the Internet than in the physical, because you are interacting directly with their "selves" and don't have a physical barrier in between you.

And sometimes I feel I am "close" to people, location-wise.

[jeargefef]

Intuition plays a big part in it. Sometimes reading a post or pm I'll get a good feeling or energy sensation, and 'mark' it in my mind for further notice, i.e. to see a pattern. For example, there used to be a theme (more than a poster) that would give me specific energy sensations when I read about it, and there has been a specific poster (that no longer posts here) that used to give me the willies everytime I read anything he wrote. (Not recently, so don't try to guess.) So pay attention how you feel when you are communicating with someone, it's not necessarily about the words, more like about the feelings you get when you read them.
And it doesn't hurt to shield.

[Ornamiviant]

Don't believe everything Michelle Belanger and House Kheperu and the Psychic Vampire Codex says my friend, many within the real vampire community really disrespect these guys and say that many of their works are a cocktail of role-playing, pure madness and wannabee-ism. I've personally found a lot of interesting articles on their site, and actually thought of applying (!!!) once, but I realized I would just be controlled in a way I wouldn't appreciate.

The best defense against psi-vampirism I've ever heard was from a local healer / psychic, she told me that all you have to do, if you have the ability, is to bring your vibrations up to higher frequencies, much higher than where the psychic attacks occur, and negative energy has no way of reaching you there. I've never heard of this defense tactic anywhere on the net.

Aunt Clair, does my posts bring you any unusual vibes? it would be good to know lol

[Averti$ingGuru]

Aunt Clair, does my posts bring you any unusual vibes? it would be good to know lol Yes . Please explain to me why would one want to be a psi vamp ? Why does one brag about it ?

[Nwxffgke]

Yes... Aunt Clair, I also wondered why your name was suddenly brought into a thread where you hadn't posted. It was a strange reference unless there is some prior contact. AC, you are shielded?

[Ornamiviant]

Whoa nice, what kind of vibe?


Ok, being a psi vamp isn't a choice. Starting to feed off other people's energy by using psychic vampirism is.

If someone is bragging about being a psychic vampire, they most likely aren't real. Possibly mentally unstable, probably in need of recognition and attention. Awakening to being a real vampire is a very very strong and challenging experience with a lot of turmoil and and chaos in your life, either you 1) become depressed and can't really stand up for a long time 2) deny everyting and actively fight your own impulses and true nature 3)survive it and decide to either make A) a bad thing out of it, but this is a trait of charachter, not the vampirism itself, would you shoot people just because you found a gun? B) a good thing out of it, taking charge and being in control of your own feeding patterns and then turning the skills into a positive thing for the surroundings.

I really have a hard time understanding why anyone real vampire would brag about their true nature because usually you just get judged before hand and flamed by those who are ignorant, and more importantly, living a life with this condition is far from easy, and there's nothing to brag about. Nothing.

AC, I've "uploaded" huge PM about psivamps to you, enjoy ^^

Psychic vampirism is a skill that can be learned by anyone,
Being a psychic vampire is a condition one is born with.

PS. I for one really dislike the "vampire" label, since it puts focus on the negative aspects of things. Me and others I know are using the term "teddybears" just to remove the occult label and add some comedy to the picture.
ps2. don't ask me if I am one, because I honestly don't know and don't really care about the label, although I know many who claim to be / are psivamps and I've done a lot of reasearch on the subject
ps3. sorry for spinning remotely off-topic.

peace, love and understanding

[Ornamiviant]

Yes... Aunt Clair, I also wondered why your name was suddenly brought into a thread where you hadn't posted. It was a strange reference unless there is some prior contact. AC, you are shielded?

Oh my golly, I was so confused and tired when writing that post lol, I was meant to ask CFTraveler that question and must have thought of AC. Cool you still replied AC

Sorry for all the confusion.

[Nwxffgke]

So... if psivamp isn't a choice, what is it? You can either develop your own power or suck up someone else's. At what point is this not a choice?

Are you suggesting psivamps are some kind of lesser life that needs to sucker onto real beings like ramoras to get their life force? Or are you just saying lazy beings can suck up everyone else's life force & not expect to have real beings turn against them & seek their eradication like you would a plague of rats?

Psivamps should go find their own lives & stop being parasites. If you don't belong in this vibration, go lower yourself to one that you understand.

[Ornamiviant]

*sigh*

That above post is an excellent example why no-one born with this condition would ever brag about having it. I rest my case.

About your question, the psychic vampires I know are highly spiritually evolved individuals who practice healing and exploration of the soul. They rarely, actually never feed off other humans, except off the ambient excess energy that floats around a crowd, this type of feeding / energy raising to use the NEW lingo, is not destructive in any way. Developing ones personal power sometimes means realizing that in the past you have been unconsiously developing techniques to feed off anything around you, to satisfy a need to stay alive. Turning those skills into positive ones and redirecting the flow of energy and becoming a positive one, is a great achievement and a goal I believe everyone finding themselves in this condition would strive for.

Again, anyone can learn how to feed off others, it's very negative and evil. Many do this on a daily basis without knowing it, taking pleasure in other's bad moments, bullying and giving rude remarks to feel better themselves.

Being tired and low on energy and calling a friend and talking usually makes you feel refreshed and revived, this is because you've let out the negative energies and taken in some of your friend's positive energy. "I felt like I had to talk to someone" - "Thanks, I feel much better now, much lighter, like a burden has fallen off my chest".


Then there is a condition badly named psychic vampirism. Do you know about Otherkin and similar? One awakens to a nature of strong ESP, empathy and several techniques to manipulate energy (healing / feeding / refining). If you decide to become a predator, a leech if you like, and start feeding upon others, yes, you are in fact a very bad person who deserve all kinds of punishment, no question about it. If you on the other hand turn your condition to an advantage, never feeding off other human's energy and focusing on light and awakening the past life memories and strive for keeping a balance - you are in fact a very beautiful and powerful being that will help many people in need. The image of a balanced psivamp is a happy, healthy and amazing person who is constantly at the center of attention, spreading joy and love all around her.

I know there is a natural hostility towards peple who feed off others, and I think it should be there and you should really tell off those who are living in such a negative and destructive pattern, but then you should keep in mind, not even a tiny minority of those running about claiming they're all mighty vampires, and those who just developed the techniques to feed off others through touch, emotion, mental bonds, astrally projecting and such - are probably real psychic vampires. A psychic vampire tends to be very very secreteive about her true nature, fearing flaming and alienation from her friends and close ones (once again referring to journyman161's bashing post). I am shocked to find that kind of bashing mentality in even an open-minded place like this. I guess we always fear what we do not understand.

I realize discussing conditions like these are not a popular thing to do here, so if you want, I will shut up and keep my reasearch and observations to myself. I was just hoping I could approach this subject in a balanced and open-minded way, but I guess I was wrong. Sorry.

[Nwxffgke]

Originally Posted by journyman161 Yes... Aunt Clair, I also wondered why your name was suddenly brought into a thread where you hadn't posted. It was a strange reference unless there is some prior contact. AC, you are shielded?

Oh my golly, I was so confused and tired when writing that post lol, I was meant to ask CFTraveler that question and must have thought of AC. Cool you still replied AC

Sorry for all the confusion. Moderators Note: It is hard to imagine how one could confuse 'Aunt Clair' with CFTraveler given that Aunt Clair has not previously posted here. I suggest anyone involved here looks very carefully to their defences. Anyone feeling strange in either an energy way or feeling an attachment should ask for assistance. Several times over the past couple of months psivamps have tried to feed from our members.

What we do know is that any form of involvement can establish a link & psivamps use those links to drain the being. It is possible psivamps are getting smart & using astral learning as a method to establish links - we recently banned at least one psivamp for exactly this behaviour.

[Ornamiviant]

Honestly. I did confuse them. Are you calling me a lier? I swear on all the love and the light and peace that is known to my soul, I did confuse the two, remembering reading a lot about AC off her site and I just thought she had written that, I am so deeply sorry for this, although I can't really see the problem of a simple mistake, confusing two names... Could you please explain what this has to do with attacking psivamps? *most utterly confused*

[Nwxffgke]

*sigh*

That above post is an excellent example why no-one born with this condition would ever brag about having it. I rest my case.

About your question, the psychic vampires I know are highly spiritually evolved individuals who practice healing and exploration of the soul. They rarely, actually never feed off other humans, except off the ambient excess energy that floats around a crowd, this type of feeding / energy raising to use the NEW lingo, is not destructive in any way. Developing ones personal power sometimes means realizing that in the past you have been unconsiously developing techniques to feed off anything around you, to satisfy a need to stay alive. Turning those skills into positive ones and redirecting the flow of energy and becoming a positive one, is a great achievement and a goal I believe everyone finding themselves in this condition would strive for.

Again, anyone can learn how to feed off others, it's very negative and evil. Many do this on a daily basis without knowing it, taking pleasure in other's bad moments, bullying and giving rude remarks to feel better themselves.

Being tired and low on energy and calling a friend and talking usually makes you feel refreshed and revived, this is because you've let out the negative energies and taken in some of your friend's positive energy. "I felt like I had to talk to someone" - "Thanks, I feel much better now, much lighter, like a burden has fallen off my chest".


Then there is a condition badly named psychic vampirism. Do you know about Otherkin and similar? One awakens to a nature of strong ESP, empathy and several techniques to manipulate energy (healing / feeding / refining). If you decide to become a predator, a leech if you like, and start feeding upon others, yes, you are in fact a very bad person who deserve all kinds of punishment, no question about it. If you on the other hand turn your condition to an advantage, never feeding off other human's energy and focusing on light and awakening the past life memories and strive for keeping a balance - you are in fact a very beautiful and powerful being that will help many people in need. The image of a balanced psivamp is a happy, healthy and amazing person who is constantly at the center of attention, spreading joy and love all around her.

I know there is a natural hostility towards peple who feed off others, and I think it should be there and you should really tell off those who are living in such a negative and destructive pattern, but then you should keep in mind, not even a tiny minority of those running about claiming they're all mighty vampires, and those who just developed the techniques to feed off others through touch, emotion, mental bonds, astrally projecting and such - are probably real psychic vampires. A psychic vampire tends to be very very secreteive about her true nature, fearing flaming and alienation from her friends and close ones (once again referring to journyman161's bashing post). I am shocked to find that kind of bashing mentality in even an open-minded place like this. I guess we always fear what we do not understand.

I realize discussing conditions like these are not a popular thing to do here, so if you want, I will shut up and keep my reasearch and observations to myself. I was just hoping I could approach this subject in a balanced and open-minded way, but I guess I was wrong. Sorry.

believing you need to 'feed' probably defines a psivamp. If you are of this 'vibration' you actually don't need to feed; there are ways to build your energy but if you are from a lower level, you must bleed those of the level you are trying to attain.

Fine words you speak but if you think you need to get energy from elsewhere, from where does it come if not other beings? You can't have it both ways - if you can't provide your own energy then there is only one other source - other beings. What better way than to come to a site where beings are trying to raise their energy levels & pretend to be a part of that effort & even better, gather a group who will feed you.

We've had psivamps before & we've dealt with them. You may be more clever than they were but we do not tolerate those who bleed our members.

[Nwxffgke]

if someone chooses to be born to this realm, how is one 'born with this condition'? We all start as we are. To be 'born' needing to bleed energy from others is not part of this universe - being 'born' to a lower vibration would provide a reason for needing energy of this level to survive.

[Ornamiviant]

Ok I feel wrongly treated and even hurt. Are you calling me a psychic vampire just because I speak of them? I haven't felt this bad in a long time. I come to a place where I find peace and enlightenment, and the mod attacks me just because of my personal view of things. Really. I'm at a loss of words here.

Assuming I'm allowed to continue the discussion - I just want to add, even RB himself has written that when you are working with energy and raising it, sometimes you are experiencing an energy deficit that will leave you tired and weak, but in time you will generate this energy back. What if those who naturally heal people around them and do similar advanced energy work subconsciously, create a bigger need for energy and for some reason, unintently, start feeding off everything around it? Herein lies the challenge of being one. Get in charge of the destructive energy patterns, evolve and awaken to your ability to rise and maintin personal energy or energy coming from sources giving it to you by free will. That is the first step to enlightenment.

Journyman, maybe you've missed that I composed a post on defence against psychic attacks. Maybe you've missed that some people go "oh, that's nice, I really enjoy reading your posts" when reading some of my posts, maybe you've missed I've gathered an enitre newbie group for personal growth and group training, to get a space for us who are pretty new to all this stuff to learn privately so we don't have to bother spamming the questions you experienced travellers have read over and over again. How can you honestly imply that I came here to hurt people? I was simply discussing a phenomenon that is real, just as real as astral projection, trying to get some light on the subject. I back off. Shutting up now. This will (probably) be the last post you see written by me concerning psychic vampires. I give up.

(A tarot reader once told me during a reading to stay away from anything in regard to psychic vampirism as it would hurt me. Now I see that his words were very true.)

I am, as far as I can understand, NOT a psychic vampire. I say this with all my heart.

[Ornamiviant]

Journyman if we are to continue this argument, I suggest we do it in PM, since this is wildly off-topic, and I doubt anyone would find interest in watching you and me debating back and forth. PM'ing you now. Love and light.

[acceraStoof]

I'm sitting here trying to put all this into perspective. Hasalameth, from reading a couple of your posts, I had the impression from what you said that you could consider yourself a psivamp. I'm not making a judgement about that, I'm just telling you how it came across to me, personally.

I agree about searching your past lives. I think that we bring many of the problems, experiences, and gifts along with us into each new incarnation. We aren't born fresh, we have an immortal, multidimensional history. So, if someone spent a previous life doing a lot of negative things, they very well could bring that along with them into this current incarnation, hoping either to "fix" the problem (if it's even a problem), or to understand it better. Doing past life work, I've come across many things that I've created for myself in this life, that haven't served me very well. Understanding it is the first step to moving on from it.

Here's what I know, and it's merely what I personally know, it's not a given. I think that we "feed" off each other constantly. I really don't like that word, it's got so many bad connotations. We "exchange" energy is more correct. I think we are multi-dimensional creatures, and that we can't even begin to imagine the infinite number of our "selves" that are living concurrent lives, exploring other possibilities. The knowledge and experiences of those infinite other selves bleed through to our dimension and affect us in ways we aren't even conscious of on this level (as human). Similarly, our energies bleed into each other. Whether it's conscious or not, it occurs...constantly. You can't completely shield yourself from it, it's a natural and inescapable experience. It's not "wrong", it's a part of what life is all about. Becoming angry or becoming loving affects those around us. I don't think anyone would deny that. We are here to learn, to progress, to experience. Shutting off from that experience is an experience, and a valid one at that. Recently, I made the decision to not shut off from experience and live the game. (For those of you who have seen my enlightenment thread and wondering why the hell I'm talking like this). There is no "wrong" experience. Shielding is fine, not shielding is fine. Everyone will and must create their own experience. We make choices, and must live with those choices. And, that leads us to other choices, and on and on.

I agree and am very familiar with the idea that raising your vibration is the best protection there is. How do you do that? It's different for everyone. For me, channeling anger or aggression (which is a big part of my makeup) into something more positive is one way to do it. Another is to create...art, helpling others, trying to understand my ego's existence, and learning all there is to know about multidimensional existence is a way of channeling aggression that is positive for me. If other's are "feeding" off of me, I have no doubt that I am also doing the same thing. How you think of it is important. If you accept that it's a part of life and our soul's experience, it becomes a neutral thing. If you focus on the "negative" aspects of it, it becomes a negative experience for you and probably for others. If you focus on the "positive" aspects of it, of which there are many, it can actually raise your vibration and evolve you. Knowing that we constantly share energy, give it freely and receive it freely. Accept and recognize that we influence each other. Working to influence others in a positive way, attracts that energy to you...the law of attraction. Judging only brings judgement...again, the law of attraction. Being negative only brings negativity. Ok, I'm done.

[Nwxffgke]

OK, I've gone back & read over both what was said here & other posts & I can see I'm probably wrong here.

I apologise for implying & assuming that hasalameth is a psivamp. I thought that is what he was saying & we have had enough of those onsite that I think I over reacted. My concern was for members of AD & their protection, but in this case I appear to have put my foot in my mouth.

Journyman