[satthackacibe]

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G'day Robert,

Whether my eyes are open or closed, whether it is light or intense dark around me, I see everything as through millions of tiny sparks, that appear & vanish instantly. It is impossible to focus on them & they are not the normal after images people see.

I have spoken to optometrists/opticians about them 7 they have no idea what I am talking about. I was very short sighted before having lasik laser surgery & had put them down to an artefact of my vision problems but I now have 20-20 vision & still have the sparks.

The best description I can give is it is as though I am seeing atoms. They glow of their own, they are all across my field of vision & they seem constantly in motion although due to the disappearing that is hard to be sure of. The only difference having my eyes open & being in the light makes is it is a distraction but at any moment I can switch my attention & see the particles again.

There is an underlying feeling that I should be able to use these somehow and I have no idea where it comes from. I have asked many people if they see similar things but no matter how I describe them they say no.

I also have problems 'picturing' things in my mind - when asked to visualise (say) an orange, I can 'feel' that I am doing it but it's as if it's behind a dark curtain - I know there is a picture of the orange there but I can't see it - not sure if these two things are related at all.

Any ideas what the sparks are & how I can learn to use them if that is possible?

Namaste

Mark

[golfmenorca]

G'day!

From all you say, what you are seeing is energy. This is often seen as floating sparks that appear and disappear, eyes open or closed.

As for your visualization problem....

Most people have problems visualizing, or believe that they cannot visualize. But visualization is a natural ability that everyone shares and everyone can visualize perfectly right now. Visualization is not a visual kind of skill or experience. You are not supposed to see what you visualize. If you do see something then it becomes a Mind's Eye vision or lucid dream type of experience, and not simple visualization.

Visualization is pure imagination, pure fantasy, and everyone can imagine and fantasize perfectly. A visualization exercise or meditation is exactly the same as a fantasy, where memory is used to build a fictional scenario full of sights. This can be full of sounds, smells, tastes textures and feelings. A fantasy can be incredibly detailed and real; involving total immersion of all the senses. But nothing is actually seen in any kind of visual way. It is not like watching TV behind closed eyes. However, even though it is a no-visual experience, it is still incredibly real.

Memory is an important part of imagination/visualization. Have you ever replayed past actions in your mind, in your mind’s eye, to help you find a lost item? Replaying or recreating events, real or fictitious, like this is pure mind's eye visualization, which is the constructive use of imagination. This is perfect visualization and everyone has the natural ability to do this perfectly right now.

The word [visual-ization] causes problems when used with inner practices like meditation and energy work. This is added to by the visual terms commonly used to describe non-visual meditation type visualization experiences. This also applies to all types of non-visual extrasensory perceptions. This is worsened by people, whom do not actually see anything, using visual terms like "I saw", "I see", "I am seeing". More accurate terms like "I sense", "I feel", "I perceive", or "I am imaging" would be more accurate and less confusing.

A small percentage of people, however, will actually see things visually in their minds eyes during visualization exercises. This often happens where deep physical/mental relaxation is involved. This produces the mind awake + body asleep state (also called the ‘trance’ state). This state can activate visual psychic abilities, and the dream mind can also become active. Some people will experience clairvoyant visions or have awake lucid dream type experiences while in this state. And some people are just naturally gifted with visual clairvoyant ability. But students should never assume that these minds eye visual perceptions are the norm.

RB

[satthackacibe]

Thanks for your time Robert.

I must admit I was hoping there would be more on the sparks than the visualisation. I didn't mean to have you spend your time iterating what you'd already given on your NEW pages - it was your description of visualising on your training pages that brought my interest in NEW and I only mentioned the visualising in case it was related to the sparks.

If I am seeing energy, it seems to be a singularly frustrating & fairly useless (at least at present) thing. Note these are not just a few sparks floating through my vision but rather uncountable numbers across my vision. Does seeing this energy imply anything about me - ie. does it mean I am a high energy being or maybe I can tap into extra energy if I learn how?

Is such energy useful? Can it be used? Is this Zero Point energy we are talking about? Can it help me in finding my way into things psychic & spiritual?

Again, my apologies for any misdirection in my initial query & I would appreciate any further time you can spend on this.

Namaste

Mark

[u2ZQGC6b]

Hi Journ.

I have had something like that, at times, and sometimes I can somehow get my eyes to refocus so that I see all these star like points of light swirling about, something like birds circling on a windy day... and they do fade in and fade out as well.

Here are my observations:

They do not seem subject to my will; If I try to "mentally"affect them in any way, it does not change their motion, density or brightness.

Being in bright sunlight vastly increases the brightness of the effect, when it occurs. In dimmer light, it tends to occur as "tiny blobs of clearness"

It has happened at times of sudden low blood pressure (geting up too quickly etc)

They seem to be, (other than the presence of sunlight intensifying them) totally independent of the physical world.. ie, they don't cling to things, are not more dense near certain objects, etc.

Each eye offers independent data: that is, the sparkles are different for each eye.... I cannot see a sparkle with both eyes and get a good solid 3-D reading on them.



That last suggests to me that the more likely explanation is that it is some kind of "noise" in my visual processing system... an irritation of the optic nerve, for example. But that is all that I can say. It has been an on and off perception that I have had for some 30+ years now that I have had this perception on and off, and in all those years, nothing has really changed, it has not become more pronounced, nor does it seem to correlate with the occurence of any other event.

Best wishes
HS

[satthackacibe]

Hi Happy... Thanks for that. I've been told this has been moved so not sure why there is anything here...

However, I think I know what you're talking about & if I am right it isn't what I am seeing. The sparks I see don't ever go away & are actually easier to see in dark conditions & don't so much swirl around as flash in & out of exisitence.

I've had bright sparks (limited in number each time) that swirl around due to sudden pressure, or (as you say) lack of it sometimes or strain. They fade after a minute or so.

These, if they would stay in focus long enough to count, are point sources that are like a tiny tiny version of snow on a TV right across the field of vision. There seems to be no clear spots or changes in them & they don't (as suggested in a thread further down the Forums) move to the crown or anything like that.

There is also a background 'glow' that seems like an energy field, which on occasion shrinks in, getting brighter as it does, from the outer edges of my vision to become a small circle in the centre of vision, at which point the next cycle of it is already moving in. At times that small circle gets quite bright & is electric blue - spark blue if you like.

The cycle takes about 5 seconds or so from awareness to tiny ragged circle in the centre.

Robert's suggestion of seeing energy is one that has ocvcurred to me, particularly once I learned about Zero Point energy some years back. Virtual particles are another possibilitiy or maybe atoms.

Strange stuff I guess.

[BrifsGefel]

basically i think you are just very observant, and have started to analyse what you see too much. the sparks you refer to are probably just the light receptors in your eyes working away. noise is a good way of describing what it looks like, and the effects are greater in the dark.

[satthackacibe]

me, it's a possibility I considered a long time ago. I don't think it is the answer though. They are too ubiquitous & constant. Darkness doesn't really change them except that in light there is the distraction of the scene in front of me. They glow and imbue the scene with a feel of energy.

Surely if it was just an observational thing, someone of the people in whom I have confided would have been able to see at least a glimpse of them? But not even opticians or optometrists know what I mean, & I would expect they at least should know in theory about such a physical phenomena.

[en-druzhba]

journyman161,
That is almost an exact description of what I "see", the only difference I can think of off hand is that I can "slow" them down for a split second of focus and they actually have different hues. I am currently restructuring my "belief system" by systematically "seeing" and studying the effects that may be derived from this ability. I am examining and detailing what I see as it relates to using energy for perception and awareness. I am starting by what I can see easiest, and that is the glow around people. These "sparks" of energy seem to permeate the whole process, as if what I see could not exist without them. I am reaching here, but thats kind of what I feel. So far I started by seeing this energy around my pointer finger, and I have found that my eyes will light up a very tiny point when I fix my sight on the first glow I see around the finger.(etheric aura?) If I do not fixate and keep my eyes moving, I get more focus on the tiny moving particles. Though they are there all the time , either peripherally or not. I haven't found a practical use for this ability yet, I have only just began mapping out what I see and what different effects different focuses may have. I do feel confident that when I am done with this process it will be a full, functional system, based on enhancing perceptual awareness.
I would be glad to post more detailed information on what I see, but I warn you it may be contrived and over detailed.

[satthackacibe]

journyman161,
That is almost an exact description of what I "see", the only difference I can think of off hand is that I can "slow" them down for a split second of focus and they actually have different hues. I am currently restructuring my "belief system" by systematically "seeing" and studying the effects that may be derived from this ability. I am examining and detailing what I see as it relates to using energy for perception and awareness. I am starting by what I can see easiest, and that is the glow around people. These "sparks" of energy seem to permeate the whole process, as if what I see could not exist without them. I am reaching here, but thats kind of what I feel. So far I started by seeing this energy around my pointer finger, and I have found that my eyes will light up a very tiny point when I fix my sight on the first glow I see around the finger.(etheric aura?) If I do not fixate and keep my eyes moving, I get more focus on the tiny moving particles. Though they are there all the time , either peripherally or not. I haven't found a practical use for this ability yet, I have only just began mapping out what I see and what different effects different focuses may have. I do feel confident that when I am done with this process it will be a full, functional system, based on enhancing perceptual awareness.
I would be glad to post more detailed information on what I see, but I warn you it may be contrived and over detailed.

That's an interesting take on it. I'm not aware that what I see is any different around people or objects - it seems to be there constantly. I've tried a number of vision tricks to try to alter them but the little buggers just ignore me *grins* rather irritating to be ignored by specks of light...

I have some docs on how to see an aura but haven't tried them in some time - could be the time to have another go at such things.

Thanks for your response & sorry I didn't reply earlier.

[en-druzhba]

LOL , I've tried to manipulate the specs of light to move objects, just for the hell of it a few times, the specs of light ignore me too.
I had this big ole plan to map out what I see and restructure my belief system, but it sort of fell apart . The more I gazed at energy and meditated the more I realized I already had a belief system, whats to map out? I already believe I see energy so what am I trying to prove?
Now I try to spend a few minutes a day gazing at energy and clearing my mind. I throw an occassional reality check in there for the heck of it.

Maybe we see this energy all the time because our understanding of the nature of reality has evolved at a basic level, the level of the energy body.

Thanks for replying, it's nice to have a forum to communicate these oddities of life.

message me if you figure out how to manipulate those buggers! LOL

[DailyRingtone]

Hi, I’m spanking new here and just feeling my way around, but this post about the lights blows my away. I’ve never met anyone who had experienced them.
I asked an eye surgeon about them and his explanation was helpful, I think. According to him, the photoreceptors in the retina cycle on and off when the eye is CLOSED producing tiny lights. He commented that I must be very “sensitive” to have noticed. I didn’t press him but if this is part of the solution then we would to argue that it happens when the eyes are open also. I think Van Gogh saw them and his paintings were less a fantasy than what he actually saw.
I incorporated them into my projection meditation. It gives me something mindless to concentrate on and is entertaining, too.
Just my thoughts…..

Good to you

-richard O

[en-druzhba]

Welcome to the forums, I am fairly new here as well.

About the photoreceptors and Van Gogh
Intriguing stuff.....
I shall have to check out his art.....

I incorporated them into my projection meditation. It gives me something mindless to concentrate on and is entertaining, too.
Just my thoughts….. Care to go into details of how you incorporated them into your projection meditations? I am trying to figure out a way to induce a concious projection using them as at least a begining focus, to no success as of yet.
Although, after gazing at them last night then falling asleep, I kept waking up at all hours of the night with "astral limbs" flailing all about, the closest I've gotten to a projection in months.
I'm always interested to hear more details about this subject.

[DailyRingtone]

Glad to Ryan:
This technique centers on the ‘third eye’ chakra. When I began my investigations many years ago it only made sense; if you want to SEE in the astral, start there. So I simply began looking with my eyes shut, concentrating on what I could see and hear (a high frequency pitch). I noticed blobs of light. At first a dull, foggy yellow/buff color and then points and squiggles. I concentrated (as we know, we can focus with our eyes closed; I think I’ve even seen my retina) and the light would intensify and change colors; swelling sometimes from the periphery towards the center, sometimes from the center out. It all became very entertaining and I had something to DO.
Eventually, things start to take shape, literally. In the early stage I start getting faces made of the light, usually a monochrome yellow/orange. Quite distinct and unique as any faces on earth, but never anybody I know. Once I was standing at a door looking through a small window in it at a room full of old people. One by one they would step up to the window and peer at me, then file away. Very entertaining. I don’t know what to call this.
In the second stage of the meditation the light has gone blue and bright small features start to take shape. At this point my mantra is “What is it, what is it?” and something surprising happens – I get pictures, beautiful 3-D photographs. They are generally very mundane, like so what?, but a few days ago I got floating rocks, like I was looking at one of the rings of Saturn – beautiful!
I should say something of the experience here. Thoughts are constantly floating through our brain but at this stage they are meaningless. I don’t fight them because they have no emotional content and they are really useful. A thought floats in and you go, “Oh, go away” and for just a moment another one hasn’t come along yet and that’s the magic moment. That’s when you see a landscape (or floating rocks).
Now the idea is to make the exit, or more precisely, entrance. Generally, the picture is gone practically before I know it, but from time to time I can hold on to it and “step” in and walk around.
This is an actual experience: I walk through the door of small, red brick, white trim house. I continue through the kitchen to the living room and to a sliding glass door. Out the door I notice the reflection of the sun of a hot summer’s day on the patio is almost blinding. (Reading RB’s Ast/Dyn I should comment that I am not aware of my body walking nor the heat of the day. The scene could be real time, as it was a hot afternoon when I did the meditation.) Then I walk into the yard. I look around, the scene is complete; a hedge growing along the chain-link fence, a neighbor’s detached garage, blah, blah, blah, and a tree. There’s a square of tin hung from a wire wrapped around the tree with something written on it. I walk up to it to see if I can read it. I can’t make it out even though it’s rather short.
At this point I’m thinking “I’ve worked all these years and I can finally project in a waking state, thinking of exotic places, high adventure, and here I am in this crappy back yard”. LOL To tell the truth, I was bored by the situation so I bailed out.
To be honest I don't really know what I have here.... LD, LDP, AP, OBE? Mr. Bruce is getting me confused in these matters LOL.
I hope this was interesting, if nothing else

[en-druzhba]

Informative and interesting, thank you. I will give this technique a try. I figure then I'll start with the 3rd eye, relax, gaze at the particles, slow the mental chatter, and see what appears.
I like your mantra of "what is it what is it?", that made me laugh.
I'll likely have to have somewhat of a mantra to keep me awake, I fall asleep extremely fast on my last ten or so projection attempts.
Again, thanks for your reply.

[michael247]

Interesting thread. I too have seen these specs of light but have always taken it to be some product of our vision system. I can remember "discovering" them when I was much younger (early teens perhaps) but have largely ignored them since. I've recently started meditation, energy work, etc. and have noticed them again on a couple of occasions.
In my case, I've only seen them with my eyes closed, and really only if I focus properly and look for them. They are always moving down and to the left at a fairly constant speed and can only be individually perceived if I follow them. This only lasts for a couple of seconds and I have to shift my "vision" up and to the right and start over again. As for their appearance, I always likened them to stars, but with uniform brightness and a reasonably uniform distribution (though much more dense than the night sky).
Also, at around the same time I'd started noticing these lights, I can remember another somewhat strange visual phenomenon (this too I always assumed was purely physical). My parents had a very busy pattern on their bedroom wallpaper (quite ugly actually) and if I'd lie on the bed and adjust my focus just right (eyes open) certain parts of the pattern would float off of the wall and appear to hover in mid air. I had some control over how far they would move from the wall and would often see how close to me I could make them move before I lost focus. I still think its probably an optical illusion of sorts, but the reality of it at the time was amazing.

eyeoneblack: Your technique sounds fun. I'll be giving it a try also.

[dosugxxx]

yeah this has happened to me also its like a room can be never pitch black for me there is always a white haze i occasionaly see things moving through it like it is an ocean and i feel the presence of entities, and in the bright sun light looking at the sky i see millions of white particles floating around looks awesome

[satthackacibe]

There seem to be a number of similar but differing sight phenomena going on here. I haven't found anywhere they are discussed or researched by orthodox establishments - the reaction I have had from optometrists & the like is more towards disbelief or total lack of comprehension of what I am saying.

There are a couple of things here I am going to try to see if they help resolve the issue for me.

My thoughts have been that my vision issue is related to my Wall (see this thread) so I am also exploring that side of things.

Hopefully, more to come...

[en-druzhba]

Just wanted to post some follow ups on this subject. Since my first post I have really been trying to see energy in greater detail. I have found that these tiny particles of energy will organize themselves into great detail at times. At these times the common trends I am seeing are an aura that is like an amber hue, a few feet off of people. There are thread like filaments that form connections to the out side, and filaments that are outside that don't seemed to be connected to anything. The filaments range in differnt hues. Burst of whitish energy come and go, like little expolsions of energy.

I noticed something else, a feeling I get in my gut.(Solar Plexus area) I have found that this feeling can be focused on what I am seeing. When I focus this on the particles of energy I become aware that there is a near infinte "sea of energy" that is moving and influencing everything. It makes my awareness feel minute in comparison. I used to think of this feeling as anxiety, but now I recognize it as a connection to the universe that can be focused, it was an anxious feeling before because I wasn't intending anything.

The other day I walked around my house holding this feeling focused on everything. Every object had an energetic construct, and the particles were there, in between everything. The particles were inside the objects, and without, defined by clear boundaries, that I can only describe as the aura of objects.I felt charged, capable of dissapearing into those energies; the ones between the objects. I did not see an opening though, and did not know what to do, so I simply took in what I was seeing.Now when I get that feeling on my gut I try to focus it all around me, to clean this connection into clarity.

Just something I felt like sharing. I am curious now, about the solar plexus chakra and it's function.
I feel like there is hidden power in our being, and that I am convincing myself of the possibilities through direct experience.

[DailyRingtone]

Sometimes I think we get to talking about phenomema as if it were a game of one-up-manship. Like "Wow" that; and me, "Wow" this, and it seems to get a little out of hand. It's like an exercise of language rather than actual experience.
Don't get me wrong, I encourage the free and willful imagination (the imagination is where the action is) but at a point, one has to wonder if the poster isn't just prevaricating.

[jeargefef]

Sometimes I think we get to talking about phenomema as if it were a game of one-up-manship. Like "Wow" that; and me, "Wow" this, and it seems to get a little out of hand. It's like an exercise of language rather than actual experience.
Don't get me wrong, I encourage the free and willful imagination (the imagination is where the action is) but at a point, one has to wonder if the poster isn't just prevaricating.

Yet sometimes we experience things that, knowing regular society would deem insane or ficticious, we hesitate to talk about, so we file it as 'weird' and try to ignore it or think aboutit later. Then, when we find a place like this, where people talk about the things that they experience, we recognize the similarities to those that happened to us, so we want to add our account, sometimes in sheer joy of not being the only one who experiences it, and other times because we want others to know that they're not the only ones who experience this.
When I was experiencing a series of frightening and baffling things (which are beside the point here) I was profoundly relieved to find one other person who was experiencing similar things-So in my relief of not being the 'only one' with that particular form of 'craziness', I posted my experiences. I wasn't doing it to 'one-up' the other person- I was doing it to let the other person that this weird thing wasn't happening to 'just' them, and also bcause sharing your experiences are a positive way to contribute something without trying to 'figure out' what the reason or cause is for a particular experience.