[fameintatenly]

I find the best use for the obe meditation CDs.
they don't work for me so I tried something.
I've done the usual relaxation routine to induce obe. as the CDs are more irritating than anything, so I now use them to keep me awake, I just let my body fall asleep. It works great.
I almost did it first time ever I felt my heart chakra starting to race and a heavy feeling throughout my body as well as a energy movement I think the separate process was beginning. unfortunately the phone went and ruined the whole lot, it's now late and i have got to be up for work tomorrow at four am.
I'll try again tomorrow this time with the phone turn off.
what rotten luck

[jeargefef]

Grasshopper, one man's rotten luck is another man's (woman's) golden opportunity. JK.
I found the 'mind taming' parts the most annoying of all, all I did was wait for the next beep, but I liked the other presets of the BWGen. But I considered them meditation helpers, not OBE-inducers. I find that expectation puts stress in the proceedings. But we're all different. Have you thought of wearing earplugs, and no cd, and just listening to your own natural ear-hiss? It brings me to the hypnagogic state fast- kind of 'natural entrainment'.

[fameintatenly]

hi CFTraveler.
the other night must have been a one-time wonder. I have not had any more luck with the method I was trying, the mobile phone blow it for me.
I've not tried it yet with earplugs I've now brought some on eBay try it that way, I just hope I don't fall asleep...
thanks for tip