[MrsGoo]

I' am very weak as i just came out of what i think was a half way successfull conscious exit!!!! I'm so close! I got vibrations, but stayed very relaxed. then i felt like i was being stretched out of my body. whats weird was, i could still feel my body, except my left arm. my entire left arm was like weightless. completely. and when i started to exit, i started to feel likke i could move my left arm freely, and i could swear i was. then all the sudden my eyes started twitching and moving back and fourth extremely rapidly, and i couldnt controll it, and i saw like really fast fast fast fast swirling weird tunnel and there was like...what looked like lightning. quite cool. i knew i was getting too excited when i started to feel it all slow down, so i concentrated again and i was like "GET OUT BODY COME ON!!" and i started to feel like i was rushing extremely fast going up and then i heard like a white-noiseish "HAAAHHHHHHHHHHH" sound and it started me, then i came back. so it wasn't quite an exit, but it was like half of one i think! im very excited, and will now try again. i can barely move i feel so weak, as if i'm still vibrating or somthin. g. my left arm sitll feels likke it doesn't existand i feel a bit loopy like i'm dreaming all of this? is this a dream? i don't remember typing all of this. its a bit trippy. i dont know how to exit all the way..i'm running aout of ideas but try again i will try again soon right now.


is it possible to aks someone in the astral plane if they an help pull me out of my body? i have raed stories from people that have had that happen. goodluck to me i am off to try again

[XKAgustin]

Cool Rain iF. Your excitement is palpable! Yay, keep going! Tell us all about what happens next!

[inve.tment]

You don't need someone to help you, you've close. And no it wasn't a dream.

You nearly did a very nice big projection, in fact you did do one, but you didn't go with yourself to experience it, so to speak.

The weakness will go away as the sub-self you sent off returns to you. When you've calmed down go for it again, and like Robert says, be absolutely determined that nothing whatever is going to keep you from exiting this time. Just say to yourself that come what may, you're going to get out this time. Tonight is the night. Don't keep withdrawing when you're just on the point of it! GO GO GO!

And then come back and tell us what it was like...

Best NN

[jeargefef]

Rain wrote: is it possible to aks someone in the astral plane if they an help pull me out of my body? i have raed stories from people that have had that happen. goodluck to me i am off to try again It is possible and I have done it. But you have to be ready for it. If you get scared or change your mind, you can traumatize yourself, so be aware of this.
When you say you don't know how to get out, do you mean exit techniques aren't working, or you don't know any exit techniques?

[MrsGoo]

Well i know some exit techniques, but i feel like something is wrong...i get very smooth clean vibrations, and everything feels like it's going well, then it just suddenly ends. like ahhh its so frustrating! I don't get it. It all was going perfectly, but idunno...does anyone else have something happen where your eyes and eyelids twich violently before an exit? and Traveler, how do you ask for help? Nonnth was probably right- I may nto need help, but it is nice to have it available.

I'm not afraid of anything in the astral. What I experienced this morning was so wicked awesome, i have to see it in full haha. I'm not afraid. I have never understood what people are afraid of. i would however like to ask for help this time, but how? It won't scare me. I have no reason to fear anything

[jeargefef]

Well i know some exit techniques, but i feel like something is wrong...i get very smooth clean vibrations, and everything feels like it's going well, then it just suddenly ends. like ahhh its so frustrating! I don't get it. It all was going perfectly, but idunno...

Is it possible that the vibrations you are experiencing are not exit sensations, but energy feelings? Although the vibes don't always happen to me, when they do they are strong, loud, and unmistakeable. Like having a machine gun strapped to your chest, and just as loud. In my experience, if the vibes are smooth, they are re-entry sensations and I have clicked out and missed the exit. Do you feel completely alert? And this leads me to your other observation:
does anyone else have something happen where your eyes and eyelids twich violently before an exit? No, because I'm usually paralyzed before an exit. I have phased while not paralyzed, which doesn't require a real exit. But that's another post.
and Traveler, how do you ask for help? Nonnth was probably right- I may nto need help, but it is nice to have it available. First, you have to be in the hypnagogic state, and experiencing hallucinations. At that point, I wait for one that looks friendly, and ask it for help. Just say it out loud. If you see pictures but not beings, ask for one. "Can someone come help me get out?" At that point, (and it's worked every time I've thought of it) someone comes and grabs my hand and pulls me out. One time it was a scary looking dude, so when he pulled me out I said thanks and took off quick. He followed me for a while but soon lost interest. That's the kind of thing that happens- hence my warning.
I'm not afraid of anything in the astral. What I experienced this morning was so wicked awesome, i have to see it in full haha. I'm not afraid. I have never understood what people are afraid of. i would however like to ask for help this time, but how? It won't scare me. I have no reason to fear anything That's the right idea. Don't lose that feeling.

[MrsGoo]

Wait so i might not have even been projecting???

That is despressing. Damn so what I thought was projecting really wasn't? Eeeeeeek. I don't think I ever experienced hallutionations unless that lightning warp tunnel looking thing was a hallucination and not the astral plane...idunno now. Maybe what was going on wasn't related to astral projection?

[jeargefef]

Wait so i might not have even been projecting???

I didn't say that. You could have projected and come back. Or were not there yet.

That is despressing. Damn so what I thought was projecting really wasn't? Eeeeeeek. I don't think I ever experienced hallutionations unless that lightning warp tunnel looking thing was a hallucination and not the astral plane...idunno now. Maybe what was going on wasn't related to astral projection? It was related. When I say hallucination I don't mean it to say that it wasn't something that is happening- I mean it that I'm in the hypnagogic state. A marker, not as a validation. A warp tunnel is to me a hypnagogic hallucination that can transport you to the astral. In other words, it's not a physical thing- (Or not in the physical plane.) You can hear voices or see pictures and call them hypnagogic hallucinations, and that doesn't mean they are figments of your imagination, it means that you have reached the body asleep/mind awake state. It's easier to say 'hypnagogic state' because you know what state of consciousness you were in because it happens to be the most common state to produce an OBE.
I'm 99% sure you were on the verge of projection- but you may have needed a bit more trance to fully get out.

[jeargefef]

Another reason that I'm thinking you were on your way back from a click-out is your exhausted feeling. Projecting takes a lot of energy, and the lower astral is an energy-sucking activity.
When I project I'm usually tired that day, and if I go to the lower astral, I'm completely exhausted- can sleep 4 extra hours and still feel tired.

[XKAgustin]

CF,

You're such a fountain of knowledge. The tiredness thing- yes that's true; I can relate.

[MrsGoo]

Oh really? Wow... I don't feel like I projected even though I didn't go with my astral body. I felt like I myself was rasing up out of my body right after the vibrations started, then i sank bac down. that short time was a whole projection? thats pretty cool i just wish i knew why it is i didn't "go with myself" so to speak. CF you're really wise. thanks for evertyhing, and sorry i don't seem to know much...i don't know much lol. I have never experienced paralasys before during this process...is it literally like you can't move, or like you know you could, but you don't? i felt very heavy, but light at the same time. i could feel myself bi locating, but i knew if i tried to move my arm, my physical arm would move...so is paralasis a sign of getting ready to project?

[jeargefef]

I'm not wise. I'm old. Stop you're embarrasing me.
About the preprojection state: Sometimes you feel like you're not paralyzed, but you are, and moving makes you discover you've popped out or actually trigger the projection. (You roll over and float away, or get up and float away.) Sometimes you're not, and it's tricky. My benchmark used to be the hypnagogic state, but that's no longer true for me. Now I can look at a scene and scratch my nose at the same time. But it works most of the time. Just wait for something else to happen. :cry:

[MrsGoo]

Ok so, when i feel like i could move, i sometimes probably can't? and that will trigger movement and control of my astral body? and then what, will i be able to leave my physical body? i feel so excited like i'm getting somwehere with all of this

[Super-Luser]

Rain wrote: is it possible to aks someone in the astral plane if they an help pull me out of my body? i have raed stories from people that have had that happen. goodluck to me i am off to try again

It is possible and I have done it. But you have to be ready for it. If you get scared or change your mind, you can traumatize yourself, so be aware of this.
When you say you don't know how to get out, do you mean exit techniques aren't working, or you don't know any exit techniques? Really? Can you explain more, please? You've got me sooooo intrigued lol I doubt I would use this method to help myself get out (I'm a big old scardy cat) but wow, I didn't even know it was possible lol, but it sounds awesome, haha!

So, what do you do? When you feel you're about to exit do you ask for assistance? What happens then? Do you see the person who helps pull you out or do you just feel them? Is it scary? What does it feel like?

Sorry for all the questions hun but this is a new concept for me.

[jeargefef]

When you're on the verge of projecting, but can't seem to detach (you have to be in the hypnagogic stage) look at whoever's flying around and ask for a hand. The few times I've done it it worked, but you have to be careful. The first time it was a 'benevolent' character that flung me away and I kept going. The second time it was a dark entity that pulled me out and then tried to follow me. It was a little scary, but I outran him. However, I don't recommend this to someone who is starting out and has fears, because this can spoil it for them. (Both instances are in my OBE journal, but you'd have to dig through pages and pages for them and you'd probably get quite bored. )

[MrsGoo]

how do you get into the hypnagogic state? Even when I am in a quite uncomfortably deep trance i still don't usually hallucinate. I think asking for help is my last option, because I have tried...EVERYTHING and nothing works (as far as techniques go).

Also when you see hallucinations do you literally SAY things with your physical mouth or do you just sort of think it? If i physically talk how will they hear me? and how can a hallucination pull me out if it's just a hallucination? I really think for me it may be the only way to project, because i'm always like RIGHT ABOUT to do it and i can feel my self starting to and then it just dies away and i wake up. Every single time no matter what I do

[jeargefef]

how do you get into the hypnagogic state? Even when I am in a quite uncomfortably deep trance i still don't usually hallucinate. I think asking for help is my last option, because I have tried...EVERYTHING and nothing works (as far as techniques go).

Also when you see hallucinations do you literally SAY things with your physical mouth or do you just sort of think it? If i physically talk how will they hear me? and how can a hallucination pull me out if it's just a hallucination? I really think for me it may be the only way to project, because i'm always like RIGHT ABOUT to do it and i can feel my self starting to and then it just dies away and i wake up. Every single time no matter what I do

I can't really type a long thing because I have to quit soon- but it's called a hallucination because your brain is creating the image, instead of your eyes receiving input from the outside world. The thing is that a hypnagogic hallucination is your mind's interpretation of what it's experiencing or perceiving. That's why it's so hard to tell the memories from the information from the astral, or etheric, Akashic, or whatever you call it. And that's why the information is sometimes seen in a symbolic form. But if you can get to this stage and 'hold' it, you can do it.
As for advice on how to get hypnagogics- the best thing that works for me in terms of speed (as in getting them without waiting for hours) is getting up before it's time to get up and then try to go into trance. You get there quicker since you're already sleepy, and if you had a good night's sleep, chances are you won't go back to sleep.
As to asking for help, thinking is enough. Mind action is what is projected anyway, even if you think you're talking.
Well, it looks like I wrote a real long thing anyway. And you can tell I'm sleepy 'cause I wrote 'sleep' three times. (now 4!)