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Anyway, I thought it would be a good idea to pause all meditation and NEW activities until Monday, and see if I notice anything unusual happening around here. (I suppose posting on the forum won't interfere, although I meant to keep away from internet activity too). Oh well, I tried...

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Guess I got my answer (from other source) so I'm outta here!
Goodbye and God bless you all!
Sola

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Just checking to see what's happenin' around here... I've had only one out-of-body experience since being baptized in Jesus' name. During it I met a man (whatever spirit/entity it was) in a rather ticked-off mode. I asked what his problem was and he answered me with one simple word:"Immersion."

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well, I'll be...

Last night I finally had a great projection experience while taking an hour-and-half break at the shelter during the nightshift. It came in two parts. During the first one I may have had more etheric matter (or how would you explain it) because instead of foating or flying away, my feet dropped to the floor and I sat up, stood and walked. I observed this young girl by the door but she did not care to communicate so I tried to go through the wall. It was too dense so I slipped back to my body, after a second attempt to talk to her.

Then I started "flailing" my astral arms and legs in the air, trying to wriggle free of my body but my middle trunk was stuck! I knew there were others watching (this time the "clickers" coming through the walls were non-threatening ones) and so I asked them; I know you're here, how about helping me out? I felt small hands grab my wrists very tight and start pulling. I felt almost like physical pain, so I said, hey, that hurts -but go ahead!

Once free of my body, the pain was gone. I floated into a large residence where I met 6-8 little people. Their faces were vinyl-like and I thought, don't they look funny, almost like dolls or wax figures. But they changed their facial expressions, and were communicating with me non-verbally, so they most definetely were individuals.

I noticed a very enticing curved screen on a table, or maybe it was part of the table itself. I glided closer to check it out, it was made ofa liquidy substance with really outstanding vivid colors. There was a shore and a body of water, a road and buildings with surrounding trees and plants of different kinds. I wondered if I'd fit through the screen and considered diving in, but one of the little ones tried to discourage me from doing it. Well, I did it anyway! It was a unique sensation going through that screen and everything around me becoming the actual size.

I saw a vehicle drive by, it was multi-colored and very surrealistic, and as I flew toward the water, I noticed that it consisted of a mixture of purple/blue/golden waves. The water's substance had an appearance of constantly changing and re-shaping molten glass. It was cool. I then noticed some globes on poles sticking out of the water placed in very symmetrical rows. They had some nodules (?) and I moved closer to investigate. As soon as I got close enough to one, it shot out a red beam that got me right in the middle and held me there! I tried to withdraw, but only managed to move to the range of the next one which shot the same type beam at me. Weird!!! Out of the building came two humans (!) and they escorted me to a building that reminded me of a terminal. They were attempting to "contain" me or something... I told them: "You can't arrest me like this, I'm only projecting!" The lady said something sarcastic about "first-time visitors" and let me go. I got back on my couch, all giddy and excited about my fun trip!

I was wondering if this was a so-called dreamscape experience... It was unreal yet I was very conscious and pretty much in charge. Could anyone describe what kind of stuff does dreamscape consist of?

Thanks!

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Sola wrote:
I was wondering if this was a so-called dreamscape experience... It was unreal yet I was very conscious and pretty much in charge. Could anyone describe what kind of stuff does dreamscape consist of? First off, your experience sounds a lot like what Monroe experienced in either Far Journeys and/or Ultimate Journey, when he projected to astral areas that were nonhuman or hadn't yet been human, so I wouldn't dismiss it as a dreamscape. As for dreamscape, it consists of anything your subconscious can dream up (pardon the pun). Usually information that is symbolic in nature, that is, a message that your subconscious is presenting to you. For example, the color of the water may have meaning to you, or the globules that paralyzed you with red light may have some sort of significance for you- what I can't imagine. The little people with 'plastic' faces, etc. However, for some reason, I get the impression that you traveled to another 'reality'. Why, I'm not sure.

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Sola wrote:
I was wondering if this was a so-called dreamscape experience... It was unreal yet I was very conscious and pretty much in charge. Could anyone describe what kind of stuff does dreamscape consist of?

First off, your experience sounds a lot like what Monroe experienced in either Far Journeys and/or Ultimate Journey, when he projected to astral areas that were nonhuman or hadn't yet been human, so I wouldn't dismiss it as a dreamscape. As for dreamscape, it consists of anything your subconscious can dream up (pardon the pun). Usually information that is symbolic in nature, that is, a message that your subconscious is presenting to you. For example, the color of the water may have meaning to you, or the globules that paralyzed you with red light may have some sort of significance for you- what I can't imagine. The little people with 'plastic' faces, etc. However, for some reason, I get the impression that you traveled to another 'reality'. Why, I'm not sure. That sounds so interesting, thank you for your reply CFTraveler! I will look up Monroe's travels on the internet.

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I had to go to the word to search for answers. God convicted me with the following passages (in NKJV):

I found this, concerning spiritual adultery:

Leviticus 19:31 ' Give no regard to mediums and familiar spirits; do not seek after them, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God. Leviticus 20: 6 'And the person who turns to mediums and familiar spirits, to prostitute himself with them, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from his people. Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy, for I am the LORD your God. And you shall keep My statutes, and perform them: I am the LORD who sanctifies you.

Hosea 4: 12 My people ask counsel from their wooden idols, And their staff informs them. For the spirit of harlotry has caused them to stray, And they have played the harlot against their God.

In several places God condemns such practices which cause His anger to rise:

Deuteronomy 18:10-14 "There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you.

2 Chronicles 33: 5,6 'And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD. Also he caused his sons to pass through the fire in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom; he practiced soothsaying, used witchcraft and sorcery, and consulted mediums and spiritists. He did much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke Him to anger.

In these past days, Lord has reminded me several times of the first commandment, it has rang over and over in my mind: I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt have no other gods before Me.

Jesus is the only way, he is the light of the world:

Isaiah 8:13-15 The LORD of hosts, Him you shall hallow; Let Him be your fear, And let Him be your dread. He will be as a sanctuary, But a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense To both the houses of Israel, As a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many among them shall stumble; They shall fall and be broken, Be snared and taken. 19-22 And when they say to you, "Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter," should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. They will pass through it hard pressed and hungry; and it shall happen, when they are hungry, that they will be enraged and curse their king and their God, and look upward. Then they will look to the earth, and see trouble and darkness, gloom of anguish; and they will be driven into darkness.

The consequences of choosing deception:

Isaiah 47: 9-14 But these two things shall come to you In a moment, in one day: The loss of children, and widowhood. They shall come upon you in their fullness Because of the multitude of your sorceries, For the great abundance of your enchantments. "For you have trusted in your wickedness; You have said, 'No one sees me'; Your wisdom and your knowledge have warped you; And you have said in your heart, 'I am, and there is no one else besides me.' Therefore evil shall come upon you; You shall not know from where it arises. And trouble shall fall upon you; You will not be able to put it off. And desolation shall come upon you suddenly, Which you shall not know. Stand now with your enchantments And the multitude of your sorceries, In which you have labored from your youth -- Perhaps you will be able to profit, Perhaps you will prevail. You are wearied in the multitude of your counsels; Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, And the monthly prognosticators Stand up and save you From what shall come upon you. Behold, they shall be as stubble, The fire shall burn them; They shall not deliver themselves From the power of the flame;It shall not be a coal to be warmed by, Nor a fire to sit before!

of following false prophets:

Jeremiah 14: 10-15 Thus says the LORD to this people: "Thus they have loved to wander; They have not restrained their feet. Therefore the LORD does not accept them; He will remember their iniquity now, And punish their sins." Then the LORD said to me, "Do not pray for this people, for their good. When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and grain offering, I will not accept them. But I will consume them by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence." Then I said, "Ah, Lord GOD! Behold, the prophets say to them, 'You shall not see the sword, nor shall you have famine, but I will give you assured peace in this place.' And the LORD said to me, "The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart. Therefore thus says the LORD concerning the prophets who prophesy in My name, whom I did not send, and who say, 'Sword and famine shall not be in this land' -- 'By sword and famine those prophets shall be consumed!

of listening to the soul/spirit of man instead of Spirit of God

Jer. 29: 8,9 For thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: Do not let your prophets and your diviners who are in your midst deceive you, nor listen to your dreams which you cause to be dreamed. For they prophesy falsely to you in My name; I have not sent them, says the LORD.

Ezekiel 13:1-3 'And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who prophesy, and say to those who prophesy out of their own heart, Hear the word of the LORD! Thus says the Lord GOD: "Woe to the foolish prophets, who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing!

6-8 'They have envisioned futility and false divination, saying, Thus says the LORD!' But the LORD has not sent them; yet they hope that the word may be confirmed. Have you not seen a futile vision, and have you not spoken false divination? You say, 'The LORD says,' but I have not spoken. Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: "Because you have spoken nonsense and envisioned lies, therefore I am indeed against you," says the Lord GOD.

God is our only guide to the truth, He controls everything:

Zechariah 10:1,2 Ask the LORD for rain In the time of the latter rain. The LORD will make flashing clouds; He will give them showers of rain, Grass in the field for everyone. 2 For the idols speak delusion; The diviners envision lies, And tell false dreams; They comfort in vain. Therefore the people wend their way like sheep; They are in trouble because there is no shepherd.

Finally, Jude gives us a clear warning and explains why we should not dabble with the powers of darkness nor the hidden powers of human mind and soul:

Jude 6-10 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries. Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves.

17-22 But you, beloved, remember the words which were spoken before by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ: how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts. These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having the Spirit. But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And on some have compassion, making a distinction; but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.

After a week worth of spiritual conflict, I was ashamed to attend our Friday night worship, fearing that my iniquity will be revealed and dealt with! What took place instead, every song we sang that night, God was revealing His majesty, His Dominion, His Truth and His Reign over everything that is, was, and will be in heaven and earth.

Boy, I do hope this will be my last post on this thread...

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Darn it, dem buggers keep helping me take off at the shelter whether I wish to go or not... So I'll keep posting off and on, hope I didn't offend anyone too much bangin' heads with my bible. Went flying over the moonlit ocean with some company the other night, it was pure joy! Anyone out there happen to fly along? It was with 2 guys and girls

I've had some cool visions lately, I'll borrow this one from my blog:
Back at work that night, I received a special answer regarding "dem buggers" I continually experience at the shelter. I have been puzzled over the whole phenomena that takes place in the back office. The fact that these spirit entities come popping through even when I'm studying bible or in a deep devotion and praise mode, often surprises me and I don't know what to make of it. Even at times of serious face-down, prostrate repenting in the presence of God I hear and sense (kind of see) them present. I've found it very odd that they can "stand" in the presence of Holy Spirit.

That night, after our special gathering, I observed and questioned this very thing again as I had a little time available for R&R in the back office. I did my typical full-body relaxation (which sometimes prompts me to leave my body, as I lose all physical feeling and restraints) but instead of OBE, I brought on a serious petition to find a clear answer to my question.

Immediately, I was moved in the spirit to a very low place, at the feet of someone. The first thing I saw was two bare feet and a bottom of a staff striking the ground. They were strong, continous, rhythmic strikes and I felt a sensation of shaking in the ground. I was very close to it and began to rise in the spirit while observing carefully what I was seeing. The person was wearing a brown (loin cloth?) that reached down to his knees, made of an animal skin. As I continued rising I observed red and black paint on his chest that reminded me of a red flower surrounded by outward black lines and highlights.

By now I was coming face-to-face with this person or a spirit. He was (obviously) an indian, about 30 years old. His cheeks and the ridge of his nose were painted red and black as well. Our eyes met and he stared at me with a very stern look in his eyes for the longest time. Was there animosity in that stare, I'm not sure. I suppose I stared back, as I was carefully observing him. He kept striking the ground with his staff (in a way that could be conceived as either threatening or attention demanding). As I saw the whole picture, I suddenly came out of the vision, jumped to my feet, and excitedly stated "THANK YOU", as I rushed back to the tower to draw a rough sketch of what I had seen. I also told B. about the vision I had and showed her the sketches later during that shift.

The following day, I went on-line to research the area's history. I was aware of the Seminole Indian wars that took place in the 1800's, when "Fort" Pierce was established, named after Gen. Pierce. I knew the indian in my vision could not possibly be a Seminole, whose appearance and dress style is very different from what I saw.

What I found out excited me to the core! In our area there existed an indian tribe called Ai's (pronounced eye-ee-ahs). They were eradicated by the mid 1740's by diseases brought by white men. They had strong mistrust of Europeans, especially the English. Who could blame them for that? Jonathan Dickinson had encountered many indians and stayed with this particular tribe.

He described his contact in a diary of 1696 as follows: "The pole was set up in the earth. Six men painted red and black, with rattles and bows and arrows, danced around it."

Furthermore, I read about the striking staff or spear which was used for fishing. I saw a picture of a pendant (artifact connected to the tribe) which was the same shape as the figure painted(?) on the indian's chest in my vision.

I finally understood! That is why the spirits kept coming, even during devotional times. After all, they worshiped God as well (the Great Spirit) and were either curious or drawn to be present as I drew near to God. No more confusion, thank you Lord! This may be difficult for some to swallow because of the limited knowledge, but it makes perfect sense to me! Considering the way the indian in my vision was striking the earth beneath his feet may indicate that our shelter may be situated directly over Ai's sacred burial site, and that is why they keep re-appearing.

Now they also have a contact with a "sensitive" living person, which in part may draw more activity.

A couple of sensitive kids have seen things and told me and/or other staff. Months ago one young man saw a masked person (perhaps an indian w/painted face) and just the other day a young Haitian boy (who says that "his dad is devil") saw someone quickly running past him. He was all shaken up and came to us, saying: "That ain't right, that ain't right!" He described what he saw and I told him that some call them "shadow people" and I see them as well. Not to worry, they won't harm anyone. I need to pray on behalf of E. and possible family/ancestor voodoo connections.

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Considering the way the indian in my vision was striking the earth beneath his feet may indicate that our shelter may be situated directly over Ai's sacred burial site, and that is why they keep re-appearing.

Since moving is prob. out of the question, you may have to contact this spirit again and thank him for allowing the building to be where it is. It's possible that he may tell you if there is anything someone needs to do.
The house I grew up in, had two (taino) indians by the front trees in the front lawn of my house. Some people were spooked (as you can imagine) but we always felt safe and thought of them as guardians. I never saw them (except in dreams) but used to 'talk to them' and acknowledge and express gratitude for their presence. Our house was probably the only one that was never broken into in the over twenty years my family lived in it.

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The fact that these spirit entities come popping through even when I'm studying bible or in a deep devotion and praise mode, often surprises me and I don't know what to make of it. Even at times of serious face-down, prostrate repenting in the presence of God I hear and sense (kind of see) them present. I've found it very odd that they can "stand" in the presence of Holy Spirit

You seem to be working towards a resolution of this in your own way, but as I read the piece quoted I wanted to say, if they can be in your presence as you are with your God, then surely they are not evil. I think maybe you're being encouraged to open out your beliefs a little - you seem to have gone through a bit of a journey where you didn't want to accept what was occurring but haven't really had a choice.

I'm not Christian but I was raised as one. If God IS The God, while in his presence you would be safe. Outside it, it would be up to you as to how safe, but I can't see The God allowing evil to hassle those in his presence. If there was a safe spot to be, that would be it.

Therefore, the presence of these entities at such times would seem to indicate their being on the side of Light, not Dark.

Relax & next time an Ai appears, offer respect & see if he will talk with you. Remember to ensure you are protected - see here for some methods for looking after your safety.

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Thank you so much for your replies!

CFT,
Thank you for sharing your experience, and for the insight. I have been inclined to express my gratitude and respect (audibly) when I sense their presence, as well as my eagerness to understand the reasons why they may seek to contact me and whether I can assist them or their "cause" in any way...

journyman161,
Thank you! Your perception is very accurate. I acknowledge the fact that these occurrences are beyond my control. However, I have no idea of my future choices regarding involvement/participation/willingness to learn about what's going on "out there".

You may also have a clear understanding of the spiritual contradictions I'm presently facing (referring to my religious views or beliefs). I don't mind broadening my views but I'm very cautious of what to accept. It's a smörgåsbord out there, to say the least. I'm a seeker of truth and although I may be adventurous, I like simplicity.

Thanks for the link as well. Just the other night I decided to add an energy shield around me as I did my full body relaxation/meditation. My partner was experiencing a major headache from resting in the room. Especially during full moon, this counselor's office is full of negative energy, as there are serious abuse/neglect/abandonment cases handled there, not to ignore the suicidal ideation, sexual and other perversions common to human nature. There are files and files of afflicted children, and their suffering seems so unfair to me!

So when I took my turn to rest, I concentrated on the positive, thoughts of pure light and goodness, loving and nurturing prayers. As often happens, during such prayers (on behalf of troubled kids and teens) the atmosphere changes drastically. I don't know if any healing takes place, but I can sense that The Holy Spirit is present. And there are others as well, lighter or higher spirits.

What amazes me is, how tangibly I can sense both types of presences.

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An interesting and a bit disturbing OBE took place Thursday morning at the shelter, as I tried to get some shot-eye for a change. I felt the familiar "detaching" of my astral limbs. Then I felt big warm hands grasping my own and off we went at a tremendous speed through darkness. This was something new, I had never experienced such speed before! I concentrated hard and when I saw who I was flying with, I said: NO! It was a dark figure dressed in a long cape or cloak. Yikes! Immediately, I landed back on the couch and the "thing" went POW!!! through the wall.

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Dear Friends, moderators and whoever may be reading this blog;

This journey has been a very interesting one for me (personally) but it's been going a bit too "far out there" lately. So I've come to a conclusion, it's time for me to go. Period. I appreciate all the help and information I have received from you folks and I thank you from the heart. Especially CFTraveler, who is always so kind, helpful and understanding. Thank you and God Bless You CFT! I'd like to ask you (I don't know any other mod's as well) to either delete or if that is not possible, lock this topic.

The reason behind my request is; as long as it's open I will keep coming back (and everytime I do, I end up regretting it later on). Friday morning, I left my resignation notice at the shelter where I work at, because I have no desire to go flying through space with dark angels (or the like) and I wish to keep no contact with any other spirit than God's Holy Spirit. (They seem to be too attracted to me at the shelter, I don't want to end up turning into someone like a medium, for goodness sake!) And most of all, I wish to serve no other master than Christ Jesus, and Him with my whole heart from now on.

I decided to quit my job also because my husband and children need me to be here at home for their sake right now. So I'm concentrating all my efforts to fix up a few loose ends and get back on track with the kind of lifestyle we all need and deserve. I know God will bless this decision and it will all work out for everyone's best interest.

So once again, fellow travelers, I wish you all the best, thank you for everything! Peace and Blessings to you!

Sola Neid

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Thanks for your kind words, Sola. I will lock the topic at your request. If you decide in the future you want to open it again, let me know. So Long and God Bless.