[DYjLN8rF]

Okay...when I try to obtain an OBE...somthing weird happens:

As I am focusing on my breathing and relaxing my entire body, I start feeling the first stages of total body relaxation and complete paralysis. Which feels like slight vibrations running throughout my body.

Next thing that happens though is...well: I get stronger vibrations throughout the body and it feels like I am about to go into complete paralysis so I can be able to leave my physical body, but then a couple seconds later, I feel nothing and no vibrating.

Some would say I am gently floating, but I don't feel the floating sensation and I can still move my physical body. Is my body waking up at this point?? If so, how do I keep it from waking up? Or is it somthing else? Am I close to achieving a full body separation? I have had many OBE's but they were all when I was sleeping first and woke up with full body paralysis so I could leave very easily. I have never successfully achieved a completely conscious from beginning to end OBE that I remember.

Please help with any suggestions, I really want to expirence this again, and I would like to master astral projection. I just need to figure out what I am doing wrong.

Also, am I allowed to think as I enter the full body paralysis? I keep saying to myself stay relaxed and focused....Please help.

Thank you.

[nerohedfrs]

You are indeed at the threshold of separation- the thing is not to move or go to sleep at that crucial time. When I get vibrations, I use the rope technique to get out, and it usually works. Just make sure you are using your imaginary hands, and not moving your physical ones. Good luck- you're practically there.

[DYjLN8rF]

I know that I am not about to fall to sleep at that point, going to sleep is not the problem, I can stay awake very easily...I have tried ROPE and Imaginary hands...but I just havn't accomplished it yet.

Is the feeling of no vibrations LOOSING the vibrations?

[nerohedfrs]

Possibly, but you can get them again. Just remember how they feel and will them to come back. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. If you can't get them to come back, then try willing and watching for hypnagogics. You should be at the stage in which you start to see them at that point, unless you open your eyes.

[DYjLN8rF]

Yeah...I can usually only get the slight vibrations to come back...but everytime so far when the big vibrations come I always loose them...

Sometimes I wonder if what is happening is that I actually leave my body but when I come back at that same instant with the time difference I just don't remember it...I really don't think that's the case, but it could be.

It's just I'm so close, lol...I know I can do this. What do you do once you get the slight vibrations? Do you know what I'm talking about when I say slight?

[nerohedfrs]

If they're slight (like from energy work) I just take it as a good sign. If they're slight and I'm in trance, I know exit is imminent and I try rope. Sometimes, though, I get vibes when I'm back, so it's hard to say. If you're losing time, chances are that you've come back, and are not remembering the actual 'trip'. I'm not sure why this would be, but in that case I recommend affirmation: "I am aware and remember my projection"- in the present tense, assuming you are going to project.
If your vibes are very slight then do very slow breathing and Robert's energy raising exercise- that is very effective for me. Most of my conscious projections (if not all) are precluded by this discipline.

[DYjLN8rF]

I really doubt that I am forgetting the trip...I have little trouble remembering my other astral adventures, and there is always this feeling inside me after I've forgotten about an OBE, then I just start thinking and I suddenly remember having one...so it's not that I forget them, I'm sure.

Let me explain a bit more about what I am expirencing. I lay down and focus on relaxing my body...after a little while, I start focusing on bringing vibrations to my body. I start feeling a slight sensation of them inside me, usually in my legs first; following through the rest of my body. But the weird thing is that these are not very intense at all, very mild in fact. Not until a much later time do they all the sudden get very strong and intense...but everytime it does this about two seconds later they go away and I feel no vibrations. I know that if I can sustain those large vibrations long enough I will be able to leave...they just won't stay and I don't get all excited when I get them either.

I just really want to figure out what the mild sensation is and what it can be used for. Do you feel it like that?

[nerohedfrs]

What you are describing sound like (at least at the beginning) energy work-related vibrations, which feel slight, localized and like a hum or pulsing.
When I have good vibrations (in other words, unmistakeable) I have a generalized wave of very strong, loud and sometimes violent vibrations. On the lighter side, imagine having a beehive on your chest area. On the stronger side, imagine someone operating a jackhammer or lawnmower in the general vicinity of your chest. The most localized vibes are on the chest area, but sometimes they involve the whole body, and move in waves over your body. That's about how I can describe mine, when they happen.
I usually am in trance (with a few exceptions) when I experience vibes, and usually rope gets me out.
However, when I feel other exit sensations (not the buzzlike vibes, but the more seizurelike energy-body loosening sensations), then I don't do rope, but try something else.
As a general rule, I don't even try to get out if I'm not having some sort of hypnagogic hallucination, visual or auditory. Of course, sometimes I don't even have exit sensations, so I just test my paralysis by trying to get up. You'd be amazed at all the times this has worked.

[DYjLN8rF]

Okay, I think I understand what is going on! Thank you so much for your help. So...I believe that what is happening is I am actually raising energy into my chakras by wanting vibrations and that is causing the slight humming throughout my body (I know these aren't the 'leave my body' humms). I know what you mean about the violents lawnmower vibrations, I get them everytime I leave.

Here is one weird thing...kind of interesting, maybe you and some other people could throw their thoughts in on: EVERYTIME I exit my body consciously I ALWAYS see eyes looking at me, sometimes with faces, most the time without though...it's like a bunch of eyes looking at me. They fade in and out to different eyes too...it's a black background, I see them in my eyelids.

Anyways, it seems like for you, when you enter the hypnagogic state, from what I have read, you seem to be able to leave your body fairly easy? Is this true? Because I can get to the hypnagogic state really easy, but I have never been able to leave my body from that state.

I think once I can finally pass through this barrier and finally leave my body the first time instead of going through sleep first then waking up with the abillity to leave, I will finally be able to do this anytime I desire...which is my ultimate goal.

I was just wondering about the in-between states...like what kinds of things happen once you can achieve full body relaxation, then the hypnagogic state, then how can you induce the full blown vibrational state?