[Vomekayafboke]

Hello there fellow undergrounders,

My online tag is Pilar and I'm happy to find this community of people who are having experiences outside the ordinary.

Myself, I am a professional writer and academic, altho' of late my spiritual path has been making it harder and harder for me to function in the realm of the ordinary.

I'm interested in astral/OBE, particularly how it relates to trauma-- for those of us who had spontaneous OBEs and astral experiences in childhood, was it trauma that exposed us to this realm (being forced out of body by overwhelming experiences in the physical?) And if so, how can conscious astral projection/OBEs be used as a healing tool for those who have suffered trauma? This is my personal research with myself as lab rat.

Aside from that, I have been a Buddhist practitioner for 9 years and so I am interested in the crossover between OBE work and the dream yoga of the Tibetans.

I'm also interested in Mantak Chia's Healing Tao energy work and will be practicing RBs work in conjunction with this.

Getting up the courage to begin the MAP book/course. Have had alot of negative dream experiences, so...summoning up the courage!

Looking forward to lots of enlightening and reassuring information-sharing.

Aloha!
Pilar

[WhiliaStelt]

Aloha!

I love that word, it's so happy and we so seldom get to use it.

Lately, I've been feeling a strong connection with Quan Yin. I was surprised to read that there were statues of her in Hawaii.

I can tell you are a writer and I'm looking forward to reading more from you.

[Deribasov]

Aloha!

I love that word, it's so happy and we so seldom get to use it.

Lately, I've been feeling a strong connection with Quan Yin. I was surprised to read that there were statues of her in Hawaii.

Hello RiverzEnd, I'll add my name to the list of people who appreciate your avatar! And, it kinda looks like Hawaii, I have to say!

You are correct, Kuan Yin is a favourite here. There is a Kuan-Yin temple in Chinatown in Honolulu.

Lots of Buddhist temples here...and lots of waterfalls too

I enjoyed reading your introduction and your newfound experiences with auras! I can relate to your business meeting story--it made me laugh.

I also thought your elimination communication sounds very interesting. What a nice bond your child will have with you--not only to understand that he can communicate with his parents telepathically but also such strong confirmation that his needs are understood and quickly met. I would be interested to hear what kind of child he turns out to be with parenting like that!! Uh-oh, sounds like a research project!

I'll sign off here--

Pilar

[Vomekayafboke]

You raise a good point about OBE's being used as a healing tool for trauma. I use this a lot in my practice as a hypnotherapist. Many past life regressions are forms of OBE using phasing rather than Real Time Zone experiences. And, past life experiences are extremely healing, especially for phobias and fears. Healing also occurs just by realizing we are more than our physical body and will continue existing in another form after physical death.

This sounds very interesting to me. Could you explain a little more, re: "using phasing rather than Real Time Zone experiences."

It sounds like you are suggesting that remembering past-life experiences reveals the source of present-life fears and that brings some relief and dispersal. Is that true? If so, I'll definitely have to look into that! I have had some spontaneous past-life memory recall, but it has been more confusing than anything, as I can't verify its validity. I tried hypnotherapy once, but the woman I saw seemed a little, well, lacking in experience It would be really neat to do some work with someone who had really dug into these experiences with depth.

I'm enjoying this community already--look forward to hearing more from all of you!

aloha
Pilar

[Deribasov]

That sounds interesting. Those are the kind of memories I've had--where I've made a trip in the present life to a place and felt like I was visiting a place I'd lived in the past. Weird feeling, that. And then I've had dreams that were very unusual and distinct from other types of dreams, where I am in a different body, geography and time. A couple of times I've met people and the relationship has time-warped off into this other dimension whenever we're together so that I'm certain we have a past-life connection and some karma to work out. Mostly that has happened since I came to Hawaii--this is a very weird place!! ha ha

Cheers
Pilar

[nerohedfrs]

Pilar wrote: This sounds very interesting to me. Could you explain a little more, re: "using phasing rather than Real Time Zone experiences." Just in case:
On Phasing: http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?t=3093

[Deribasov]

Well, thank you for the link...unfortunatly the link to an Astral Pulse doc referred to in the thread is not longer active...so I am yet to discover a definition for 'phasing'

But it does sound like I am going to need to get projecting for awhile to be able to relate to and understand this subject matter so I will just be patient!

All of my OBE experiences so far have been during dreaming and/or not consciously created. So I have yet to learn....

I am excited though! Mostly to gain an understanding of these experiences I have been having since childhood that I haven't been able to talk about! I guess you all feel like this in the beginning

Pilar

[nerohedfrs]

Phasing- Monroe called what we call the astral planes 'focus of awareness', and to phase would be to merge into a focus without going through an exit out of the body- To go into a landscape without leaving your body, like remote viewing. (IMO it's the same as remote viewing without the control group). He identified different focuses and characterized them- I will find and catalogue them for whomever's interested.
The idea is to get into a hypnagogic state (light to deep trance) and then to observe the different images until you can 'go into' the landscape. In a way, it's like 'bringing the astral in front of you' instead of 'going out into the rtz and/or astral'.
This is my version of a definition of phasing.

[Deribasov]

Thank you both for the information. I think I was pressing against this as a kid. I'm not sure--it is difficult to know what was real and what was just my hyperdeveloped imagination until I begin re-experiencing these things as an adult.

I used to regularly 'exit' my body and go snooping around elsewhere in my mind's eye while I was still sitting in school with my eyes open, or while reading. Basically in any position where I was physically required to hold still and look awake but not required to perform any interaction.

A coping mechanism, sadly. But it may turn out to be a valuable skill! I am still able to do this but cannot see as vividly as I used to. It was like I was home but 'not home'.

Pilar

[nerohedfrs]

PHG wrote: CF, I have a list of the Focuses right here, so I'll go ahead and list them. Add anything you want to, as this might not be complete. Looks good to me. You should make this the new thread on phasing information.

[exchpaypaleg]

Hi Pilar,

We've met elsewhere in the forum but I thought I'd be formal and greet you.

Have had pastlife memories too and know what you mean about a weird feeling dream. Also spent early school years in a kind of trance but, if I recollect correctly, I kind of went into the heads of other kids in my class- if that's possible- rather than around about the place.
To address some of your general queries: I recall a couple of spontaneous OBEs from childhood, which basically continued beyond into my adult years - no trauma associated, as far as I know. (Did have some close calls with asthma as a kid so it's possible the OBEs happened shortly after but the order of such events is all too vague.)

Welcome