[Gintovtosik]

I did this morning my first astral projection to what Robert Monroe calls the "Belief System Territory" I think.

I was lucid in a dream and tried a technic a special dream character told me a few nights ago which had lead me to an OBE (I practice OBE from LD a lot although it's not my main technic anymore as it was some years ago).

After a few seconds I felt a massive rush of energy in my limbs right into my brow chakra. The chakra quickly became extremely active and I started to feel myself flying and turning quickly, higher and higher in the air, 'becoming' the chakra which was more and more stimulated, in total blackness. After a few seconds I found myself overlooking a big village with an almost invisible entity (you know that 'liquid' effect when you're not totally in tune with each other) by my side. Some huge white vortex were coming down from the sky and sucking things up on the ground from more than a dozen meters high, like wormholes. I asked about it.
"They are taking the lost souls", said the entity. I felt this in a positive manner, like rescuing them. The entity was obsviously one of these souls and didn't want to be rescued. He fled when the near vortex came in our direction. I was fearless and wanted to take advantage of this 'device'.

When the vortex was high over me, I was suddenly sucked up into it with an incredibly powerful strength and speed, in total balckness again. After a few seconds, I found myself floating close to the ground in an incredibly physical environment, I couldn't distinguish it from physical reality in the perception I had, it was more vivid and real than the best lucid dream or OBE I had ever had.

I saw my astral body half invisible and couldn't manage to get back on my feet or move, stuck on the back at a few inches from the ground. A few meters away I could see some kind of roof with snow on top of it. I asked for a little help. Two 'liquid' (half invisible) arms appeared and help me get on my feet with some effort, like to "tune me in". As soon at I was tuned in with the environment, my body appeared normal and I could move freely.

I thanked the helpful entity and asked what was going on here. He pointed my attention to the "roof" which was in fact two big white tanks.
"You're in a post-mortem area", he told me, "here are two inhabitants, it's 'their' world".
Indeed a man and a woman were standing near the tanks, obviously busy. I walked to the poney-tailed man and asked him were I was.

"You're in the 90th century", he said, "were's controlling the reserves of ..." (I don't remember for sure, but it was some liquid food).
We talked a bit and then the woman asked me where I came from.
"I am from the 21st century"
She laughed. "Oh then you'll still have some problems with starvation in the world." It didn't make me laugh, although she might not know more than me about the 'real' future. I was obviously in some kind of futuristic utopy of dead idealists.

The man suddenly left without a word and I felt some tingling of energy coming from the woman. Sexual energy. MASSIVE sexual energy. I tried to stop it but too soon she was hugging and kissing me. I tried to resist but her energy was very strong. My base chakra became overactive back on my physical body (so strong that I could feel it from the projected double) as I felt my own sexual energy being sucked up. Suddenly the environment morphed into some kind of beautiful restaurant from the 1940's and she was dressed with a long black sexy — yet not vulgar — dress. She looked at me straight in the eyes with a look saying "It will be easier for you this way, less weird". But it was just to false, and I didn't want her to continue. Soon she was kissing me again, moaning in pleasure. I was losing a lot of energy, my lucidity went straight down, I soon didn't remember why I was there, what was happening, who she was ...

Then I was sucked up in the back by a even more irresistible force and back into my body. My base chakra was extremely active and hot. I felt empty, with no energy. It took me about 10 minutes to get back on my feet without falling down.

A strange experience for me in this astral area. Has anyone had some similar experience ?

[Peapeuddedbaw]

Awesome... Ok I might not be th best judge since still in the process of trying but, those are the experiences I wish to have minus the sex vamping. So if I get this right sexual activity in the astral results in a sort of vamping of energy? I don't know how you feel about the whole thing but I can tell for someone like mwho is still trying you give fuel for effort with your story.. Thanks

[Gintovtosik]

I don't think sexual activity in the astral is always a vamping of energy, but in this case it was clearly. I don't know why she did that by the way.

I remember a detail by the way, when we were chatting she mentionned she had grandson, although her physical appearance was of a woman of 30-35. She might have still some memory of her past life.

[jimmy28]

Dear Bluelq,

It can result in vamping if it is a one way exchange. Kalonek did not want to do this so she was essentially just taking. These occurances can be a sharing or exchange of energy. Mind you I would not want to share my energy under such circumstances either. Whether it be sharing or or taking these incidences seem to cut projections short - according to Robert.
http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials ... etinID=171

Dear Kalonek,

Great post! Smile. Want to trade my clairaudience for your astral projecting ability? I would not mind the trade...smile...minus the vamps of course.

[nerohedfrs]

I did this morning my first astral projection to what Robert Monroe calls the "Belief System Territory" I think.

I was lucid in a dream and tried a technic a special dream character told me a few nights ago which had lead me to an OBE (I practice OBE from LD a lot although it's not my main technic anymore as it was some years ago).

After a few seconds I felt a massive rush of energy in my limbs right into my brow chakra. The chakra quickly became extremely active and I started to feel myself flying and turning quickly, higher and higher in the air, 'becoming' the chakra which was more and more stimulated, in total blackness. After a few seconds I found myself overlooking a big village with an almost invisible entity (you know that 'liquid' effect when you're not totally in tune with each other) by my side. Some huge white vortex were coming down from the sky and sucking things up on the ground from more than a dozen meters high, like wormholes. I asked about it.
"They are taking the lost souls", said the entity. I felt this in a positive manner, like rescuing them. The entity was obsviously one of these souls and didn't want to be rescued. He fled when the near vortex came in our direction. I was fearless and wanted to take advantage of this 'device'.

When the vortex was high over me, I was suddenly sucked up into it with an incredibly powerful strength and speed, in total balckness again. After a few seconds, I found myself floating close to the ground in an incredibly physical environment, I couldn't distinguish it from physical reality in the perception I had, it was more vivid and real than the best lucid dream or OBE I had ever had.

I saw my astral body half invisible and couldn't manage to get back on my feet or move, stuck on the back at a few inches from the ground. A few meters away I could see some kind of roof with snow on top of it. I asked for a little help. Two 'liquid' (half invisible) arms appeared and help me get on my feet with some effort, like to "tune me in". As soon at I was tuned in with the environment, my body appeared normal and I could move freely.

I thanked the helpful entity and asked what was going on here. He pointed my attention to the "roof" which was in fact two big white tanks.
"You're in a post-mortem area", he told me, "here are two inhabitants, it's 'their' world".
Indeed a man and a woman were standing near the tanks, obviously busy. I walked to the poney-tailed man and asked him were I was.

"You're in the 90th century", he said, "were's controlling the reserves of ..." (I don't remember for sure, but it was some liquid food).
We talked a bit and then the woman asked me where I came from.
"I am from the 21st century"
She laughed. "Oh then you'll still have some problems with starvation in the world." It didn't make me laugh, although she might not know more than me about the 'real' future. I was obviously in some kind of futuristic utopy of dead idealists.

The man suddenly left without a word and I felt some tingling of energy coming from the woman. Sexual energy. MASSIVE sexual energy. I tried to stop it but too soon she was hugging and kissing me. I tried to resist but her energy was very strong. My base chakra became overactive back on my physical body (so strong that I could feel it from the projected double) as I felt my own sexual energy being sucked up. Suddenly the environment morphed into some kind of beautiful restaurant from the 1940's and she was dressed with a long black sexy — yet not vulgar — dress. She looked at me straight in the eyes with a look saying "It will be easier for you this way, less weird". But it was just to false, and I didn't want her to continue. Soon she was kissing me again, moaning in pleasure. I was losing a lot of energy, my lucidity went straight down, I soon didn't remember why I was there, what was happening, who she was ...

Then I was sucked up in the back by a even more irresistible force and back into my body. My base chakra was extremely active and hot. I felt empty, with no energy. It took me about 10 minutes to get back on my feet without falling down.

A strange experience for me in this astral area. Has anyone had some similar experience ?

I have had more than one similar experience to yours (minus the vortex thing). A few times I have ended up in an area that seems very 'physical' and have ended up being seduced or attacked (once mutual, but mostly not). The most disturbing one left me very drained, and now I try to end up in an 'ethereal' area if possible.
I am now starting to read the Monroe books, so I haven't learned all his territory designations yet.

[Gintovtosik]

It can result in vamping if it is a one way exchange. Kalonek did not want to do this so she was essentially just taking. These occurances can be a sharing or exchange of energy. Mind you I would not want to share my energy under such circumstances either. Whether it be sharing or or taking these incidences seem to cut projections short - according to Robert.
http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials ... etinID=171

Indeed I have had other experiences of astral sexuality which were far more pleasurable.
I can't agree more with Robert Bruce. I think I came short of energy, or at least of sufficient energy to make the projection in this realm stable. I was violently pulled back into my body when I was about to lose completely my lucidity due to the lack of energy I guess.

Dear Kalonek,

Great post! Smile. Want to trade my clairaudience for your astral projecting ability? I would not mind the trade...smile...minus the vamps of course. Thanks Hehe as I said on the clairaudience topic, I am not a good psychic, but I have some other tricks up my sleeves It was not a usual projection for me though, which is why I wanted to share it with the AD members.

CFTraveler I see I am not the only one then ! Indeed I was stunned by the 'physicallity' (neologism ) of this area, it was as if I was physically there in every way. I'll try to avoid seducing astral women in the future
I think you'll like Robert Monroe's book a lot, the second and third particularly talk about this astral area not so far from us apparently.

[jimmy28]

Dear Kalonek,

I wonder why sharing energy cuts the projection short?

Is it because we cannot as effectively use the energy shared with us? I feel like there is an important concept hidden in this question that I cannot pull out of my rabbits hat. I would love to hear your thoughts.

[nerohedfrs]

I know you didn't ask me but I'll butt in anyway:

Besides the obvious sex-grounding analogy (I believe Robert mentioned this in the past), I would guess than when you share energy with another being having different life experiences this causes a loss of focus, even if both have similar intentions or goals, cutting the projection short, for it seems to me that energy would be required to balance out the differences in goals or focus.

But that's just my idea on this.

.02

[Gintovtosik]

Dear Kalonek,

I wonder why sharing energy cuts the projection short?

Is it because we cannot as effectively use the energy shared with us? I feel like there is an important concept hidden in this question that I cannot pull out of my rabbits hat. I would love to hear your thoughts.

Hi violetsky,

I don't think that it's so much the sharing of energy that cuts the projection short but more the 'unilateral' sharing, in other word the vamping that exceeds the available energy coming from the physical/energy body. This might cause a depletion of energy in the astral body, I guess, that makes it unstable and unable to stay outside the body. I have noticed this in other situations : for example in a few projections when I did not know what to do a few years ago, I would experiment with the capacities of materialization of the astral body and I would create small objects etc. But each time I created big energy balls, after 2 or 3 of them I would be automatically sucked back in my physical body (I did the experience a number of times to be sure). I guess I used too much energy for this. It might be a bit of the same process here. Astral projection is a finely balanced experience I guess, and a sudden energy depletion may abort it.

On the other hand, I believe that CFTraveler might have made a point here: I guess that the quality of energy might not be the same between an astral entity (more subtle/higher in frequency) and our astral body whose energy comes mostly down from the physical. This energy might be appetizing for an astral entity, like a 'nuclear power station' (us) instead of a 'bike dynamo' (the entity's normal supply of energy in his environment) This exchange might then cause some disruption in our astral body and a loss of focus on the specific dimensional plane in which we are due to the very different types of energy involved in the process, like a 'chemical reaction' you know.

Indeed for example I have had an experience of astral sexuality/energy exchange right down in the RTZ, in fact while I was still half in my physical body, with a female astral projector I guess (I never knew). Things were very different, and the experience did not abort in the middle automatically as in the astral with a entity from a very different level of energy. I had to stop it by will to make it stop, but it lasted a few minutes without any visible change. I guess our energies where more balanced and in tune (which is why I think of an astral projector and not an astral entity) which made the exchange smooth and equal on both sides, resulting in no depletion of energy for any of us.