[Swidemaiskikemu]

ok, 2 things here: 1st is an experience requesting an explaination, the 2nd being a question

1. ok, so before i started looking into AP i was a casual 'inner light' meditator. i usual spent about 20 minutes a night meditating before going to sleep, about 3 times per week. about 2 and a half weeks ago now (think it was a saturday) i awoke in my still sleeping body. i thought it rather strange as i could hear my snoring, was aware of everything going on around me, yet i couldnt move my body, make a noise, or even breathe (my body was automatically breathing). i couldnt see anything so it was clear i was still in my body, yet after approx. 5 minutes (not sure exactly) i slowly began to be able to see my ceiling, as if my eyes were open. i stayed like this for about 10 seconds then woke up normally. this is what caused me to ask my 'mentor' who suggested AP. any ideas?

2. is there any sort of one-of shortcut to a short RTP, simply for referance perposes. i ask because though i 'think' i've experienced a projection, i'm not sure of how a real one should 'feel' and thus am unsure if it was a full RTP. thanks

[nerohedfrs]

ok, 2 things here: 1st is an experience requesting an explaination, the 2nd being a question

1. ok, so before i started looking into AP i was a casual 'inner light' meditator. i usual spent about 20 minutes a night meditating before going to sleep, about 3 times per week. about 2 and a half weeks ago now (think it was a saturday) i awoke in my still sleeping body. i thought it rather strange as i could hear my snoring, was aware of everything going on around me, yet i couldnt move my body, make a noise, or even breathe (my body was automatically breathing). i couldnt see anything so it was clear i was still in my body, yet after approx. 5 minutes (not sure exactly) i slowly began to be able to see my ceiling, as if my eyes were open. i stayed like this for about 10 seconds then woke up normally. this is what caused me to ask my 'mentor' who suggested AP. any ideas?

It sounds as if you had an episode of 'astral sight.' This happens when your energy body is already 'out of phase' but still in your physical body. Usually this precedes a full-blown OBE, or sometimes occurs when you become conscious after a projection, but are not still fully integrated into the physical yet.

2. is there any sort of one-of shortcut to a short RTP, simply for referance perposes. i ask because though i 'think' i've experienced a projection, i'm not sure of how a real one should 'feel' and thus am unsure if it was a full RTP. thanks Have you read some of the OBE journals in this same forum? They are quite descriptive, and of course there's always the tutorials in the main section of the website: http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=65

[Swidemaiskikemu]

ooh, cool thanks for clearin taht up for me

yeah i've read all them, they're all i have read tbh. suppose the best thing to do is just keep trying for a 2nd (3rd?) projection and see if i can have mroe control over it

[nerohedfrs]

Something that can help to tell between a projection and a dream about a projection is whether you have exit symptoms- astral sight (which you did), vibrations, astral noise (that whooshing/mechanical sound, a loud 'pop'), and the feeling of 'perception strobing or swinging' or what I call 'looseness'. All these indicate a projection is taking or has taken place. Of course, many projectors don't always have these symptoms, and some never do- they just 'pop out' unnoticed, to keep things nice and muddled.

[Swidemaiskikemu]

hmm, well that time i only had the sight, then the roaring/wooshing sound when i tried to 'wake up'

but on my forced one (1st proper projection) i had the roar and sight yet no vibrations or anything else...and felt much like a dream, though i was fully aware (if that makes sense )

as for the projection, is it possible to (or should they always be) like an actual 'awake' experience where you have utter control over everything you do as you do IRL? is it as i imagine it to be where you can wsnder around freely throughout the world experiencing 'free' life?

[nerohedfrs]

hmm, well that time i only had the sight, then the roaring/wooshing sound when i tried to 'wake up'

but on my forced one (1st proper projection) i had the roar and sight yet no vibrations or anything else...and felt much like a dream, though i was fully aware (if that makes sense )

as for the projection, is it possible to (or should they always be) like an actual 'awake' experience where you have utter control over everything you do as you do IRL? is it as i imagine it to be where you can wsnder around freely throughout the world experiencing 'free' life?

It depends- some RTZ OBE's look/feel like waking consciousness, some feel like a lucid dream. Many factors are involved- your energy level, health & emotional stability all have to do with it. I have never had any control of my surroundings when I project- I usually go through things, which is one way I have of knowing I'm projecting, instead of having a lucid dream.

[Swidemaiskikemu]

hmm, so u cant go through things during a lucid dream?
i thought a lucid dream was simply a projection where you're in a 'dream realm' rather than the real world
can u normally see ur body if u look at it during a lucid dream?

[nerohedfrs]

I don't know if this is true, but in a dream depending in the degree of lucidity, you can affect your environment, and if you want to go through it I suppose that would be possible- but sometimes it doesn't want to cooperate. Also, on an Astral Projection, depending on the plane (dimension, focus of consciousness) you may not be able to either, either because you are more 'in phase' with it, or because it's an older collective construct- so there are many alternatives when it comes to this.
However, on a real-time projection, you are so 'out of phase' with your surroundings, that you don't affect them- at least it is so for me.

[Swidemaiskikemu]

i see, things are gettin cleared up every day for me here...1st forum i've ever found where people are helpful lol.

so are you (CFT) able to project at any time in a short amount of time? and have it 100% real time? if so: how long u been practicing projection to get like that?

[nerohedfrs]

Actually, I have been spontaneously projecting since I was like 7, (I'm almost 49) but have not been deliberately doing it for more than two and a half years. I have about 1-2 projections a month (depending on what's going on in my life). When I don't project on schedule I have 'dreamstate lesson' dreams (like last night- I am sooo tired!). Most of my early OBE's were in the RTZ, but lately I seem to project into the weirdest places. I'm not sure if it has to do with energy levels or I'm just getting old. In between my monthly projections I occasionally have epistodes of remote viewing or phasing, but not that often anymore. Of course lately I have been getting very little quality sleep, and that affects all of it.
When I try in the early AM I have the best projections. Except lately, since we got a new kitten so now have 2 cats jumping on me when I'm trying to project (or sleep, for that matter.) See 'How NOT to have an OB'.

[Swidemaiskikemu]

lol, pesty things do tend to prevent projections...
while u may have cats and anything else, i have parents
i'm not exactly an open projection practiser, i feel no need to tell anyone really, but theres never any way of getting enough privacy to properly attempt during the day...unless people are out.

since you was 7!? :O how can u even remember that far back? (no offence lol) i have trouble remembering my own 7 years old, and i'm only 18!

i've been attempting a projection every night since my 1st (only) success, yet i must lose concentration for a breif enough time for me to fall asleep because i remember focusing and clearing my thoughts....then waking up is there a possibility i'm projecting but not remembering it? or am i simply losing my focus and dropping off to sleep?

[nerohedfrs]

I have always had a freaky memory- I remember looking forward to being 5, 'cause then I'd be 'grown up.' But the reason I remember my early projection (wasn't really my first, but it was the first confirmed one)is that I told my mother, and instead of flipping out she realized what was going on and actually got stuff for me to read- to explain about out-of body experiences. (I almost got in trouble the first time I told because my mom thought I sneaked out of the house to see where they were- but when I described what was going on they, being very open minded, tried to encourage me, as opposed to what other parents would do, which in my opinion is the reason that most kids forget about stuff like this- lack of parental support.) My own 9 year old son has had projections (maybe- could be flying lucid dreams-) so I explained without the scary parts what 'remote viewing' is- so that if he still does it (I think he will for other reasons) it will not be forgotten or swept under the rug.

Ibzy: is there a possibility i'm projecting but not remembering it? or am i simply losing my focus and dropping off to sleep? It's possible either- one way to test is what kind of dreams you have when you don't have projections but have been practicing and trying.

[Swidemaiskikemu]

wow, thas...quite incredible. i've only been experiencing them (knowingly) for about 3 months, max. my 1st i just dismissed as a wierd dream..but when it happened again i was sure that it wasnt...the feelin was too...real?

well the strange thing about it is i dont remember any dreams of the nights i attempt but seem to fail. last night, however, i tried again and had 2 projections within half an hour.
i was quite amazed at how quickly they came, yet dissapointed at the lack of control i had.
the 1st one i was lay doing my breath awareness, waiting to trance, and the next thing i hear the roaring and i 'think' i sat up, and could feel that i was not in my physical body. tried waving my arms infront fo my face and couldnt see them, but couldnt move anywhere from my body. this only lasted a few minutes as i had toruble keeping it stable, so i hear the roar and re-enter.
a fewminutes later the roaring is back and i'm thinkin 'ah, maybe i can move this time' and the roar continued....it lasted much longer than before and 'hurt' in my head. the roar eventually stopped and i was left lay there. i felt different that when i was lay before so i must have been in the astral, but couldnt move out of my body. i could kinda feel myself move my legs but was stuck inside. i could feel it slipping away and the roaring return...but i managed to resist and keep it going for longer.

anyway, after they had both ended i was properly awake and realised how soon after getting into bed that it was. then i went to sleep.
i remember having a dream where i was in a field somewhere, with people i knew. i wa stood on....the bonnet fo a car i think, and went to step off it but concentrated and manged to...hover to the side of it and gently 'float' to the ground. it was such an awesome feeling and at the time it felt real. but then i must have lost my concentration and crashed, face 1st, into and through the ground and thats all i remember before waking up....at about 5AM

any advice on these then?

[bromgeksan]

You were REAL CLOSE . Thats about as close as it gets. I've worked hard to try and reach that state again.

[Swidemaiskikemu]

ooh really? cool
well as nice as being that close feels, i would love to experience a full OBE again, and perhaps ahev it last longer than 30 seconds
curse this body and its lack of energy/astral stability