[TriamiCaw]

I recently read somewhere that there is a large library at the Vatican that was walled/sealed off a long time ago with explicit instructions that it not be opened until Jan 19th, 2010.

Has anyone OBE'd to it or plan on OBE'ing to? If so, did you find anything interesting in it to explain why it was ordered to be sealed off until that future date?

[TeveVikep]

Sounds a bit conspiracy-airy-fairy to me lol, but i guess we will ultimately know in 2010, jan 19th lol

[crycleascentyv]

How many members regularly obe? The reason I ask is because I never get to hear of any tales of discovery or little tidbits of gossip out there in the RTZ. There must be some juicies that someone out there wants to share.

[TriamiCaw]

Good point! It would be fun and motivating to hear some stories from experienced projectors. Believe me, once I start consciously projecting, I'll be telling everyone about it and what I experience!!

[Intiltern]

Wow, thanks for the response...great feedback/information. Its good to get the perspective of someone that's been around the block so-to-speak. I'm new here, but I agree with you in that it seems like people chat about topics on a superficial level here and rarely get into deeper, more productive conversations. I think its partly due to the fact that this forum contains a lot of transient members and partly because the majority of the people here are still trying to AP consciously for the first time. Although you'd think that some of the more experienced people, such as yourself, would talk more in a seperate forum on this site (not MAPI or MAPII, but something for projectors with lots of experience). I know that once I'm projecting on a regular basis that I'd be happy/thrilled to chat with you openly and honestly about everything...without the fluff...LOL Hopefully that's sooner than later. It'd be nice to have a serious friend in this area...none of my actual/real-life friends are interested in projecting or they'd think I'm crazy.

[iklostardinn]

The Vatican library sounds a bit like Dan Brown ... but I imagine it's difficult to read books while out of body, even if you could make it there

[Liaptoono]

The Vatican absolutly has a major (not so secret) library that can only be acessed by researchers who first recieve a special letter of recomendation from the church. It is supposed to have some pretty amazing stuff in it.

The Vatican does not have a very good reputation of saving documents that contradict dogma, though. So I do not expect that they would have a special library like in "Angles and Demons." It is much more likely that they would have just destroyed of those types of blasphemous documents when they first collected them.

[Sydaycymn]

If you want the Inner Sanctum to work, it is up to you to make it work... It's there for exactly this reason, and you may have to put up with a few different types of people in there with differing motivation, but we are trying to choose the ones who seem to offer intelligent debate, and post frequently and constructively. The subjects you wish to discuss and receive feed back on are exactly what we should be focusing on in there. Make it happen!

Cris.

[WebDocMan]

Muse and Crispassion 'inner sanctum' is off topic on this thread .
Shall we retire to the drawing room to discuss this like gentlemen ?
I've got these really cool smoking jackets !

This wrinkle might be best discussed in Forum Feedback .
http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?t=2090

Back to the Vatican . Here are some links describing the secret archives and a link to a bit that are available on the vatican site for public perusal now . I did not find any esoteric works or apocrypha sadly . Mainly a history with photos of the rooms and rules for scholars to access it locally .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Vatican_Archives
http://zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=27071

http://www.vatican.va/library_archives/index.htm
http://asv.vatican.va/
http://asv.vatican.va/en/arch/1_past.htm
beaut image here ;
http://asv.vatican.va/immagini/arch/Pianonobile.jpg

[bpejjssoe]

Did I see a little che sneak into the thread

I wonder what "the tradition" of the church is?

[aNoBVsUW]

Curious if anyone else heard the interview on Coast to Coast with Dr. Rama Coomaraswamy, on Catholicism, Exorcisms & Evil?
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2006/03/05.html

Yes this is a familiar subject to me . Because I have assisted in exorcisms and found that priests have called upon secular exorists and sent victims to psychiatrists etc before they will write to the vatican to get an exorcist mass which local priests are not able to perform . Some can not comprehend the existence of demons and refuse to even offer holy water for a victim's use . Local priests are thus not full mystical priests . Most priests are incapable of seeing visions of Christ , exorcising a demon or even seeing an angel . Their faith must get tested too but they are real .
part of an 'agenda' to create a one-world religion, which I am in agreement with. Pope John Paul II asked all Catholics to pray for the re -unifcation of the Christian faith . The Catholic church was the original Christian faith and the many schisms continue to weaken it .I find divisivness unnecessary and counterproductive .We are all one .
He mentioned that it was nearly impossible to find a REAL priest in this day and age...and that all the rights these "false" priests are performing is merely lip-service. That baptisms, marriages, confessions, communions, etc. are not truly being performed for the followers. Now here I disagree . The ordinary priest is not a mystic and is not capable of visions , healings or exorcisms but they do believe in the sacrament of the host . The connection is there . I love the Catholic Mass, one can see angels at each altar when mass is served. The host is taken up spiritually . It is awesome to witness . The typical angel of the host will dwarf the sanctuary with a wing spread of 6 metres .
Curious if any Catholics that happen across this thread realize this?!?Any opinions?!? It is hard enough with the current constraints for the church to ordain any men to be priests . Personally I feel women should be allowed to be priests but that will not occur in this lifetime . I am also an advocate for married priests . But yes most priests are not taking up the cross to follow christ .They do not heal , exorcise , see or project . But some do . And all of the grass roots priests are capable of their functions . Some lose faith and fall away . Some are drawn into transgressions and fall away but I do not believe that most priests are not 'real' .
Talk about derailing a thread! Muse , I bet you visited that principal office often as a child . You also double posted without need. If you add another post on the same day you can hit a button to edit or modify. But....
Mea Culpa ! ....so I will hush now .

I actually agree with Muse about some views on the inner sanctum . But I love this site . I want it to continue to grow in membership and goodwill . I don't wish to see another mutiny and falling tower . F&A was like the Queen of Hearts on Alice in Wonderland clubbing off the heads of any mystics or RB fans . I love Robert Bruce and his metaphysical works. So let 's get back to business and ignore the "pollyticking ".

...I found a smoking jacket in Muse's size !
http://myafn.dodmedia.osd.mil/img/tv/cr ... eheart.jpg
Bravehearts stand in their own truth and are admired still .

[WebDocMan]

well the vatican has begun a program to reintroduce exorcisms back into practice,

It was never removed . In 1999 it was modified .
http://www.trosch.org/chu/exorcism.htm
Catholic World News – January 1999
VATICAN RELEASES NEW RITE FOR EXORCISM (CWNews.com) -- The Devil exists. That unpopular reality is brought into sharp focus by the promulgation of a new rite of exorcism for the Catholic Church.
De Exorcismus et supplicationibus quibusdam, approved by Pope John Paul II on October 1, 1998, was formally released by the Vatican on January 26. The document sets out a new and precise liturgical form for the rite of exorcism. The 84-page form, introduced by the Congregation Divine Worship, was published entirely in Latin; the episcopal conferences of different nations may now prepare their own versions in the vernacular languages.
This new Vatican document clearly recognizes both the existence of the Devil and the reality of diabolical possession. In a short introduction, the document calls attention to the existence of both "angelic creatures" and others "called demons, who are opposed to God." Since the influence of the demonic can become apparent in people, places, or things, the document continues, the Church "has prayed, and continues to pray, that men will be freed from the snares of the Devil." http://www.trosch.org/chu/exorcism.htm#person
But the real exorcisms are not just words upon paper . A specially trained exorcist comes from the Vatican . One applys to their Bishop who consults with the Archbishop who may choose to apply to the vatican for an exorcism mass . This is not often allowed .
http://religion-cults.com/deliverance/exorcism.htm
http://www.stmichael.pair.com/ritualofexorcism.htm
but i'm curious...at the church you go to they follow the original latin mass??? or the novus ordo mass? does the priest face god during mass, or face the people? just interested, and if not...have you ever witnessed the latin mass and noticed any difference?!? Priests here in Australia face the host and the congregation . The host is visible on the altar between us before it is held high .In the USA I belonged to a radical charismatic Catholic parish that had a Latin Mass and offered up healing through energy . Even they refused help when I tried to cleanse a home infested with dark gargoyles. I then learned that some priests do not believe in angels , demons or God as I do either . I also attended Mass on occasion at St. Matthew's Cathedral where mass was offered in Latin , Spanish , English and on rare occasion Greek . I loved the Gregorian Chants . But here in Australia ,at least in my parish of Perth , they make us take the eucharist into our own hands , they do not kneel until the celebrant sits . . Priests will not let the host be conferred to the lips and tongue and they consider Latin mass heresy . Here they sit down and chat after getting the host and some leave the mass so that the priest must remind them to wait. Aussies wear tshirts and flip flops to mass . I do love it here but it is a bit of a culture shock .

Irregardless, I have seen Angels of the Host and the deceased Spirits of Priests and Bishops concelebrating the mass . I have seen saints appear during mass at many of the churches here in Perth which I have had the pleasure to attend Mass . It is sad that they do not realise they have evoked these spirits by calling their presence and that they do not attempt to communicate with them because they have no awareness of the power of the mass to do such deeds.

I am clairsentient , clairvoyant and clairaudient . When I partake of the Eucharist , I know the difference . I feel the mystical union . I feel the energy come in me and over me . I feel our energy bodies facilitate the
Eucharist and that it is not the sole responsiblity of the priest to perform the union with the mystical Christ with us at Mass . It is more than faith we require to become in union with the energy of the Christ . We have to lift our own vibration .

I do feel that these are real priests but I am sad that they are not mystic priests. Still I feel that Catholicism is the most mystical of all Christian religions and that even seeing spirit is suspect and heretical in most Protestant Christian religions. Catholicism acknowledges the works of mystic visionaries but through the ages they have either revered them as saints or slaughtered them without mercy . The whim of this honour or abuse is not always evident to the mystic so Jacques de Molay and Joad D'arc were immolated but Teresa d'Avila was spared .

No church on this earth is perfect but this is not a reason to disavow religion or faith . Not one of us is perfect either . Any temple or church is an institution made by humans. It is the dissemination of esoteric wisdoms and protections through the rituals of the religions that is precious and invaluable . It is the uplifting faith and the instructions to be more noble that we should cling to . And like anything else on this planet it is the lies or untruths that we should discern and disavow .

[desmond001]

Aunt Clair: Your words are moving and inspiring.

[highattainlet]

I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic school until high school. My mother is Catholic- but what exactly that means has changed for me substantially now that I am out of that environment. I realize now that true spirituality was never really discussed within the scope of any of my religion classes, or by the priests that taught as part of mass. It was more of a routine than a way of life. I wouldn’t really consider myself Catholic at this point- probably because I saw no benefit to it with the way it was presented to me. I have found that many of the people who consider themselves to be of any particular religion do so because that’s how they were raised- it isn’t how they live their lives. It has become more of a label, which I think is really sad. I am thankful for those like Aunt Clair who “get it” and are so open with their thoughts and feelings. I have personally met a few priests who aren’t just going through the motions, and are able to recognize the true spiritual needs of those who come to them- but they are rare. I think in the past many priests entered the church and just went through the motions because they were trying to escape something else in their lives. It was a bit like joining the military because you didn’t have any place else to go. As time has gone on and society as a whole has changed, this escape route is no longer needed or seen as honorable. You have to be truly inspired to answer a call to dedicate your life to the priesthood. I agree that the requirements of the priesthood should change. You do not have to be a single male to hear this calling. I also agree that this change may not come in my lifetime-even at 28- although with the severe shortage of priests they may have to make some changes in order to carry on. Hopefully this would open the door for not only women, but men who want a family too much to delve into a life that denies such things. The Vatican has always carried an enormous amount of mystery with it. With their recent hints regarding extraterrestrial life, it gets all the more interesting- to me at least. Sorry for rambling a bit- I really enjoyed people talking like intelligent people! Muse- thank you for opening the door!

[Foucceedo]

The Vatican absolutly has a major (not so secret) library that can only be acessed by researchers who first recieve a special letter of recomendation from the church. It is supposed to have some pretty amazing stuff in it.

including...?