[Jeffery]

First of all, if you read what I said carefully, I already conceded this could just be a neg. secondly yelling and laughing at me telling me your right I'm wrong is not helping me it is just you trying to impose what you believe on what I believe. yes it could have been a neg attack, but if you can't at least entertain the idea that maybe it was death then your being very closed minded.

I mean not every thing you see is a neg, just cause it scares you doen't mean it's a neg, hell it could have been a person, and I was just experiancing astral sight. people can change to any form they want to also. I do not think I am special, at least not any more then the fact that I am my own person and I have my own place in the world. this is just something that happened and I was talking about it.


Leo

[Jeffery]

I don't know what the side effects are, but ever since I had my first OBE I have had a couple of odd things happen to me. once I saw a disembodieds face looking at me while I was laying down to go to sleep, I had my eyes closed and then it just appeared as if I was seeing it. this scared me and I opened my eyes and a look of shock went onto the face and it slowly dissapeared over a couple of seconds, this could be explained as a random bout of astral sight and someone intruding into my room, and or a ghost who I just happned to see.

I also had one time when the moon was supposed to be going thru an eclips, and I was laying down in bed thinking to myself, I wonder what it will look like (cause it was only suppose to be a partial I think) and as soon as I finshed the thought I suddenly saw the moon as if I was ontop of my roof looking at it. this might have been remote viewing.

then the really scary one. I started hearing voices back in 2001, and back when they had a good hold over me they told me to go into my bathroom and keep the lights off and look into the mirror with my eyes closed. I did this, and there before me stood the image of death (you know european death (skeleton, black cloak and scyth). now this scared me alot but for some reason I stood my ground. Death (if it was him) pulled back his scyth and hit me square in the cheast with it. and it was as if it passed thru me and then hit something deep inside of me (felt like a cord) and it rebounded off of it. at this point I was terrified and ran from the room half wondering if I was dead.

I talked to a friend of my fathers about this, and she reasured me thats pretty much deaths way of saying hello and letting you know it's not your time. and looking back on the incident when she told me, I vaguly recall death nodding at me as I turned to run.

so I guess you could call those side effects, not that I'm saying you'll meet death. but I'm pretty sure the remote viewing and the astral sight even though it was all spontanious are something steming from I assume from my first spontanouis OBE, cause it all started afterwards.

[evalayCap]

so i wonder if u raise a kid to keep their sight and open mindedness to it, would they have that sight still as they grew up if u taught them it was ok??

If they want to, yes. But don't forget that the reaction of friends (school, etc.) can make them decide to drop it. And it isn't always comfertable, imagine a kid who has empathic abilities, or telepathic... could be very confronting, to downright scary. So while you're at it, teach them how to protect themselves first. And right after that, to be responsable towards using the abilities.

There are numerous cultures where it's equaly normal as running and baseball

Western 'civilisation' isn't real open minded towards the whole subject, unless you adress it from a quantum physics point of view.


Regards,

Jeroen

[VowJoyday]

see, these are the kinda things i am scared about and makes me not want to LEARN astral projection. if anyone higher up, like robert bruce or brian can please tell me the side effects, please reply to this topic, because i dont want anything bad to happen to me and i want some verification from the top guys, please. thanks

[PZXjoe]

so ur saying kids with nightmares are having neg attacks? i remember when i was a kid and would wake up at night scared cause i couldnt fall back to sleep, so i ran into my parents room and fell asleep with them, possible neg attacks...

Not always..! but when kids ask for help because (as they say) they had seen some agressive animal/person at his room... then it's highly probable they are being object of attack by Negs. At parents room there are an special atmophere where kids feel save and protected. Perhaps parents belief system contributes to create an special energy field that's non-compatible with Negs, that rejects them.

My best regards...
Sincerely,
Natalia Parker

[PZXjoe]

but dont u think if God wanted us to be able to see energy, he would make us see it then??

Certainly... I think that's the reality at our chilhood..! We birth with all our abilities fully functioning.
But, remember, how strongly moldeable are our belief system when we are kids (in the range 0 - 5 years) and the fact we growth in a world leaded by adults whose belief systems and authoritary attitude are more stronger than ours.

Such policy from adult people crashes children abilities. IMHO.

If you are father of short age kids (or has contact with little children) put attention onto its attitudes regarding his toys and when they are alone. My think is that when they are alone they talk to Nature's Spirits (commonly fairies and another friendly beings).

My best regards...
Sincerely,
Natalia Parker

[Dilangfh]

Fayt,

Your messages are condescending and not in line with the forum rules and guidelines.

You are officially warned to stop. I would suggest you read the forum rules and guidelines outlined in New Member Introductions. To make it easy for you, I have put the link here

Thankyou

Donald

[Jeffery]

I understand this and even said as much "could have just been something playing the part". yes it seems unlikely that I saw the real thing. however a couple of reasons why I think to the contrary. first of all as soon as I was coaxed into the bathroom, and closed my eyes the voices went nuts, as if they were terrified of something. now this could be seen as a neg just playing with me tryin to get me to be afraid. then the apparition appeared and there was a moment of complete terror at facing ones own mortality.

once again the sheer imagie can be enough to inspire this. however at no time during any of the ramblings of the voices or my own train of thought in dealing with them had death in any form come up. so this would be coming out of left field if a neg was doing it.

then there was the act of death hitting me with his scyth. it happened so fast I couldn't have reacted if I wanted to. when he landed that blow, it hit something insde of me (not in the physical). it was as if the scyth rebounded off a cord inside of me, (the image that came to mind at the time was a golden cord/string/thread inside of my body). it was a quite profound experiance.

now all of this seems crazy I understand, but it's what happened. I talked to my fathers friend about all of this. I have talked to her about alot of things, she is quite adept at going astral and all of that, as a matter of fact she flys around as a dragon most of the time or a half woman/dragon, usually without even thinking because she has become so used to the form. basicly she knows the ropes and how to defend herself.

either way when I recounted the experiance for her she told me thats deaths way of saying hello and letting you know it's not your time. she has spoken to death on many occasions, and said most likely he was letting me know something was going to change in my life. and I guess looking back, the spontanious OBE's and lucid dreams and all that really started happening alot after that. so that was a pretty big change.

I understand you might not believe and you don't have to. if it was a neg, well they pulled off the act very well even though I don't think a neg would have hit me I think neg simply would have stood there and said boo and tried to get me to run. either way it was a profound experiance and alot has changed since then, some good some bad. but it was deffinately a turning point in my life.

[Niiinioa]

Fact is i read carefully , fact is your very closed minded for thinking your talking to death and nothing else , so say whatever you want but the facts remain.


Fayt

Today I saw the movie about demonic posession of Emily Rose. A big portion of it took place in a courtroom. The lawyer that represented the good guys made a statement at the end of the movie. This is where I got the idea to write what I am about to say.

Fact leaves no room for possibilities. Therefore you are saying that it is not possible that he saw death, which is one of the most foolish* (dont like it very much do you? srry i dont mean it) things to say out of this whole conversation in my opinion. a scientific approach is nice when dealing with the supernatural, but i think you might be taking it a little too far.
have u also consdiered that you are the one who needs the help?


very good movie btw everyone. highly reccamended

[Niiinioa]

been having obes lately more. i never go through with it though and always force myself back into my body, i think what it is, is something like like my guides pulling me out, sort of like a test. so ive failed everytime so far now, but i think i am ready for next time. i wont let my fears get to me and i shall have faith and like leorith said, have a calm mind.

i too have been seeing things with my eyes closed.

[Rugda]

Dude , seriously its a neg , its good to think your important or something , because every1 is , but you havnt seen death Fayt, relax. You have no idea what he saw, and no right to try and make him believe your opinion. You don't have to be important to see Death--everyone does at one time or another.

[VowJoyday]

hey everyone! it just came across my mind a couple days ago, so I was wondering: Are there any side effects to learning astral projection? Like after I am able to project, will I see entities like ghosts in the real world or other strange stuff?

[evammaUselp]

hey everyone! it just came across my mind a couple days ago, so I was wondering: Are there any side effects to learning astral projection? Like after I am able to project, will I see entities like ghosts in the real world or other strange stuff?

Hearing stuff seems to be common. I've heard the sound of paper being wrinkled right behind my head, I sometimes feel objects from my dreams when I wake up (it's happened more than once that I thought I was holding a pencil until I started moving my hand), when I've gone to sleep I've felt a person laying next to me at one time and other similar things.

Hearing, seeing, feeling, tasting and smelling things that can't exist physically can be scary if you let it, but I've noticed that the best thing you can do is to simply not accept the fear. Once you don't accept the fear (which can be difficult for some but it's possible) it's a lot easier to examine the sounds and lights and see what they really are.

[HakSpeame]

I don't know what the side effects are, but ever since I had my first OBE I have had a couple of odd things happen to me. once I saw a disembodieds face looking at me while I was laying down to go to sleep, I had my eyes closed and then it just appeared as if I was seeing it. this scared me and I opened my eyes and a look of shock went onto the face and it slowly dissapeared over a couple of seconds, this could be explained as a random bout of astral sight and someone intruding into my room, and or a ghost who I just happned to see.

I also had one time when the moon was supposed to be going thru an eclips, and I was laying down in bed thinking to myself, I wonder what it will look like (cause it was only suppose to be a partial I think) and as soon as I finshed the thought I suddenly saw the moon as if I was ontop of my roof looking at it. this might have been remote viewing.

then the really scary one. I started hearing voices back in 2001, and back when they had a good hold over me they told me to go into my bathroom and keep the lights off and look into the mirror with my eyes closed. I did this, and there before me stood the image of death (you know european death (skeleton, black cloak and scyth). now this scared me alot but for some reason I stood my ground. Death (if it was him) pulled back his scyth and hit me square in the cheast with it. and it was as if it passed thru me and then hit something deep inside of me (felt like a cord) and it rebounded off of it. at this point I was terrified and ran from the room half wondering if I was dead.

I talked to a friend of my fathers about this, and she reasured me thats pretty much deaths way of saying hello and letting you know it's not your time. and looking back on the incident when she told me, I vaguly recall death nodding at me as I turned to run.

so I guess you could call those side effects, not that I'm saying you'll meet death. but I'm pretty sure the remote viewing and the astral sight even though it was all spontanious are something steming from I assume from my first spontanouis OBE, cause it all started afterwards.

You saw death? , lol , i highly doubt it , you see... negs (negative beings) can show themself as any form that scares you , so just because you saw the reaper , doesnt mean you actually saw ``the reaper``, you see ..negs scare you as a way to weaken your natural shields so they can do whatever it is they are bidding , for example , possesion , feeding off your energy , etc.

Fayt

[PZXjoe]

oh yeah! i forgot, last nite there was this show called "Ghost Whisperer" with Jennifer Love Hewitt and she can see "lost" souls. and a little boy was talking to the spirit, and his mom said he was just an imaginary friend, but it was an actual spirit. so it probably is possible, so i wonder if u raise a kid to keep their sight and open mindedness to it, would they have that sight still as they grew up if u taught them it was ok??

Yes..! I think that if adult parents were educated properly, they would recognize its failure at the moment of filtering childs behaviour as "punishable behaviour". Now, this is the adequate site in order to reflex about some children attitudes facing room darkness at sleep time. About behaviour of Negs we know that they are friends of darkness. Then, they are the source of fear and subsequent attitude of children facing the appearance of Negs. Children fear isn't related to darkness but yes to Negs, opportunity (lights turned off), when they make its appearance. You gets the logical correlation, don't you..?

Following with scenarios involving Negs and darkness, adult parents incoming in such a scenarios of sure result in expulsion of Negs. Apparently, adult belief system is enough in order to generate a energy field with Negs cannot deal. If adult parents were more wise they might to teach his childrens how to expel Negs. Since the basic knowledge that Neg doesn't be physical beings, and therefore potential source of physical damage, then, children might to face them with a daring attitude resulting in expulsion of Negs.

My best regards.
Sincerely,
Natalia Parker

[Jeffery]

don't worry as I said you probly won't meet death, I was hearing voices and was pretty much falling apart at the time mentaly. it could just have been a false vision, as for the others they weren't really scary just startling, and I don't know if you could call them side effects or if it's just I happen to be naturaly gifted.

all of this including the OBE's are spontanious. one of the reasons I am here is to learn more and start to control this all, I will say with the dying down of the voices in my head these instances have greatly decresed. I haven't had any bouts of astral sight or weird visions (some of wich might have just been my schitsophrenia) in awhile, I do still get spontanious OBE"s and plenty of lucid dreams.

so to sum it all up, I might be a special case, even though I believe anyone can learn remote viewing and astral sight and it kind of goes hand in hand with Astral projection. so don't be scared, just try to take it as it comes and be calm, a calm mind can conquer any fear.

Edit-
Let me just reiterate, the odds of death coming to see you are very slim. he usually only shows up for a damn good reason. in my case, either 1. something called him to me 2. (this is what I think) he stopped by to let me know that I was going to be ok and I would get thru this trial in my life (death tends to show his face when your about to go thru a big change in your life, he isn't just out to reap souls) and he wanted me to know I would live thru it. 3. he was probly lonely and just happned across me and wanted someone to talk to (this sounds silly, but you try being death, most people run in terror from him like I did, from what I've been told he likes a nice conversation once and a while) 4. I was just seeing things (course when he hit me with his scyth it sure felt real) 5. something was playing the part trying to scare me.

so relax, if you see him yeah he might hit you with his scyth and if it's your time it's your time, running from him won't stop that. most likely it won't harm you and he'll either be on his way or if you can maybe you can do what I was to afraid to do and strike up a conversation. it would probly be neat to talk to a being that has been around so long.

Leo

[PZXjoe]

Hi SSJYamiVegeta..!
I'm sure about lack of belief system is the factor that allows children to play and to interact with RTZ (at least passively through sense of vision) things (spirits, negs, thought form, etc.), through thelepaty, clairvoyance, etc.

Then, done the fact that belief system are strongly experience dependent, it is linear to understand, that after be successful in OBE by first time, belief system (depending how strong was interaction with RTZ beings at that first OBE) shall broken or at least be redefined allowing after-projector to see RTZ's beings at normal (physical state) life.

Now, SSJYamiVegeta, you say that you wants a "normal life"..? It seems, for me, unbelievable..! Apologize my honesty and consider my invitation to reconsider your thoughts. Anyway I recognize your freewill preeminent condition. But, think about this, your attitude is like to that who had loss sense of vision (through ablation or damage of eyes) and facing the possibility of to retrieve it... he should say: NO..!

Knowledge gathered through senses (not only the 5 standard [vision, audition, tactil, smell and taste] but anyother else supra-physical senses: auric watch capabilitie, clariaudient, clarividence, etc.) determines how successfull we are in the survival endeavour. Remember, although we are XXI Century's citizen, our life is ruled in close agreement to the ancient rule: Survival of the Fittest..!

Consider, please, SSJYamiVegeta, the capabilitie of gather valuable information through nature's spirits leading to avoid sequel of a natural disaster like earthquake or tsunami...

Consider, please, SSJYamiVegeta, the capabilitie of gather valuable information from aura of apparent friends and avoid betrayal.

Hello..! SSJYamiVegeta... are you about to change your attitude regarding this emergent capabilities..? Apologies if I were condescendent but I trying you shall face the reality.

My best regards...
Sincerely,
Natalia Parker