[Mambattedge]

hello I would just like to add here that most lucid dreams are in fact astral projection, because we are opening and expanding our awareness in the first place, I have had many similiar experiences and have came to the conclusion that ap is the same as ld's..and most of the time obes occur not when I am in a dream but just prior to the dreaming stage, many folks get confused about the dreaming and obe realms,..I think for myself most if not all obes are in fact outside the dreaming realms, where most people think they are out of body in dreams , and this is not the case , it is simply a confusion or manipulation of the dream..leaving them to think they are in fact out of body, when they are in the body dreaming..
does this make sense?
well I think everyone observes differantly , and its all about what you observe for yourself..this is only what I came to conclude on my own experinces..

[esenesesinas]

Hi Leorith,

It sounds to me like a projection experience which might have partially degenerated into a lucid dream. This is still a very good step. The blindness might be a result of inexperience, lack of sufficient energy or lack of concentration (all of which also effect the ability to keep dream aspects from entering.)

To improve the lucidity of your OBEs, I would continue working on NEW with an emphesis on increased energy raising. I would also work on your concentration ability, mainly keeping extraneous thoughts from intruding.

I think this was a great experience though, and I hope you have lots more.

-Mike

[hubua990]

so I'm laying in bed just thinking about sleep, and i believe I accomplished that goal for a lil while at least. then I come aware and my body is vibrating. nothing new happens more then enough to me. so i start to go thru this cycle of getting up out of my body and being blind, walking a bit then thru my attempts to gain vision I crack open my physical eye a bit and end up back in bed.

well after many trips thru this cycle I finally get up and away from my body. walk around the house a bit and then get promptly thrown back to my body. well my body is still vibrating pretty strong so I attempt to try again. get out go thru the blindness get far enough away from my body that it goes away and I can see.

I decided to work on a few things seeing as I never know when I'll get the chance seeing as this is happening to me spontanously. so I start with something basic and form a baseball bat in my hand. cool it worked and quite easily too. then I changed it into a sword, so I go off to explore the house. now this didn't hit me as strange untill it was all over but there were people, or at least thinsg in my house. nothing scarey (or maybe it was cause I didn't focus on them that they didn't bother me (for some reason the all registered as family members in my mind).

most of what happened on my trip is fuzzy, I remember getting laughed at cause I was half naked, I was playing around with my sword, giving it detail and someone came up and helped me, then there was something walking back and forth out side the front door, so I opened it up and told it to go away (it was huminoid tall narrow head) it seemed as though I hurt it's feelings doing so, but I was in no mood to be messed with.

then I remember being back in my body, and someone came into my room and turned on and off the light. but I don't think that happened in the physical. then I got up again and decided to try to shapeshift, I think I was succesful, I sure did feel diffrent (I went with sometihing simple a bear) and then I was back in my body and the vibrations were dwindling and I decided to wake up.

so the end all question is how much of it was dream and how much of it was astral. I know there is nothing negitive in my house, and nothing I came across, even the thing outside the front door gave me the creeps. so was I not in my house?, was I in my house on a higher plane? ( I have had that happen to me before), was it all just one hell of a lucid dream? or was it some strange intermeshing of astral and a dream? *sigh* one day I'll figure all of this out heh.



Leo

[PZXjoe]

Hi Leorith...

First, mind control and specially restrain of visual imagination is heavily critical at first projections unless you want to fall in a Lucid Dream pool.

Second, NEW or more properly energy raising can be done when outside of your physical body (i.e.: while OBE-ing). Singly, imagine (not visually but through tactil imagination) that you sucks energy into you. This brings instant vision capability (if first status is characterized by blindness). One way in order to verify if reached vision capability is truthworthy (and not a trick of your mind driven by your desire of to view) is try to close your "eyelids" (remember, at OBE you are only a point of conciousness, then hardly you has some as eyelids). If you cannot, then, you'll conclude you aren't in a Lucid Dream pool (where it is possible to close eyelids).

And, that's all..!
Sincerely,
Natalia Parker