[robinthesearchmasterh]

I still such a newbie but I have a few questions and the more experienced can anser me? ( I'm rather tired sorry about typos, anyway..)

Does the energy body have any effect on phasing? Phasing seems to be just changing your focus to the different levels that can be accesed.

An OBE seems to be more related to cultivating energy using whatever system the ober is using to obe.



Or am I wrong?

[ebBPxIai]

Mira... now we have a brilliant example of double standards. I dare to even hint at critisising you just for a moment and you get all upset. Next the mods will be stepping in no dount.

Yet on the other thread on this topic that got accidentally deleted enevryone was laying into the Pulse and frank, it was a real slag-fest it was. Contuinuous criticism and nothing was said, nothing about being unfair, nothing at all. Everyone was just allowed to slag off the Pulse to their heart's content, they could slag off frank as well, and so they did. It was allowed. That's the standards that was set.

But I don't slag you off, I haven't slagged you off at all. I have a different view but you say I am slagging you of and that's unfair. All I have doen is stand up and say I think the Pulse is a great forum and frank has heloed me a lot. Now I am suddently public enemy number 1 here. Suddenly some of franks words about mystics are going through my head and I think god he's dead right, hes really right. The way they smile in your face yet say one word against them and how quickly they turn. Just like you all are turning.

Mira you are not going to have anyone publically slam you, yet you will stand by while people here publically slam others. But that's what frank calls ego-tripping. The same people who were laying into frank will now suddenly switch. Wolfthor just did it. Nothing good can come of this, he says, come of what? Me being critical? Wasn't that the same wolfthor that was laying into the pulse and frank repeatedly on the other thread? How come he felt good would come then? How come everyone felt good would come then? You are all in the same crummy position you were before... but now it's my fault, now I can be your scapegoat, so you all can get rid of me and feel good about yourselves.

It's okay to publically slam the Pulse, it's okay to publically slam me, it's okay for you to publically slam me by calling me immature, you can insult me all you like it seems, and it's okay to publically slam frank. But you don't like it when just the slightest criticism is directed to YOURSELF. That is double standards and as I have complained about in this post already it drags this forum down. Plus, it is dead against the wording on the introduction to this forum. That is what I am complaining about.

If the moderators here allow peopele to slag off the pulse, if they allow people to slag off other individuals then they cannot complain when people start slagging them off. There are two sidews to every story and this is a free country. If you allow it one way then you have to accept it the other.

I have no beef against this place, I would never have said anything about frank or the pulse. But I saw a post slagging them off so I gave my opinion and now you don't like it. But if youd never been slagging off in the forst place then I would have said nothing. It was only the thread that was slagging off that made me give my opinion. which I have a right to do. If you slag off one way then dont be surprised when someone comes and say the other way. Because there are two sides to everything

I have a right to speak my opinion. If people give their opinions one way then I will give another if that's wht I believe. If I had never come across the post then I would have said nothing. It was only because I saw the post slagging off a forum and a person who helped me a lot that i gave my opinion. If you allow posts that slag people off then don't be surprised when someone comes up with a different opinion. everyone has a right to be heard.

You say I don't know the facts but I have about 50 pages of information, helpful information that frank gave me over about 10 emails. I emailed Robert Bruce with a question and heard nothig. Anyway, I don't need to know the answer as frank answered it for me and loads of others.

But it seems I interruprted your little slag-fest. Now the member Tom wants to get back on topic all of a sudden. He never wanted to do that on the other thread. He was slagging off both frank and adrian as I remember. No calls to get back on topic then tom. Just out and out slagging off for you before so what's changed?

You people seem to forget wht you say from one post to the next. ansd that what frank says, mystics make it up as they go along. Im beginning to see the evidence of it now. Im beginning to see exactly where frank he is comeing form. Im beginning to see the hypocrisy and the double standards. Thank you for showing me first hand, I am grateful for your confirmation. I was in two minds but after this not any more.

Novice

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[55Beaphable]

So far I think I understand that phasing isn't about going somewhere or doing something. That makes me wonder how to avoid extremes such as falling asleep or just getting bored while waiting.

That's something that I'm curious about too - anyone?

[Evelinessa]

Wolfthor...

Not sure what you mean by "balance". Seems like you are introducing a concept that means a lot to you but hangs differently with others. My idea of balance is one thing and your is another. The originator of this thread is obviously balanced in an orientation that I disagree with.

My original post to this thread got deleted but I reckon Mr Mustardseed has just got an unhealthy anti-Frank fixation. That, to me, is just as "bad" as Mr Mustardseed accusing Frank of having an unhealthy anti-mystical fixation. In that vein, both are extremists just coming from different ends of the spectrum. I'll take what works for me either way. But is IS a fact that I haven't actually got anything from Mr Mustardseed that has helped even though he has claimed his motives are to help people. Well, how can slagging off frank be heloing people? Or slagging off anyone be helping people for that matter?

I thought this forum was going to move beyond all that. I thought such nonsense wouldn't be allowed here. On the opening page it says "It is our wish to ensure that respect is given and received by all, even if differences of opinion arise." But to me it's like if you slag off the Pulse and Frank then it's okay, you are welcomed. Be as disrespectful as you like, especially towards frank. Have a real public slag-fest, yeah, really lay into the bloke and give him no opportunity to defend himself. Oh, but at the same time you have to have respect for every other opinion or theory, or whatever. But the Pulse is fair game. When it comes to slagging off that place anything is allowed, especially when it comes to slagging off frank.

I am aware that some kind of disagreement arose between robert Bruce and the administration of the astral Pules. Personally, I could not care less what the details are. But these kinds of double standards here between the advertised policy and the actual policy simply do not bode well and reflect badly on this forum as a whole.

On the other forum Mr Mustardseed claimed to be able to talk to god. Well, I'll leave that one well alone. But in all my PMs with Frank he has been helpful to the extreme. I've got about 50 A4 pages of hints and tips he emailed to me over a number of weeks.

In contrast, I emailed Robert Bruce with questions about astral dynamics and received absolutely nothing. Like, the only posts Robert Bruce has made here are the ones pushing his seminars at, what, the last one was ONE THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED dollars US currency. That is just outrageous, IMO. It's just seminars for the rich.

Now where is the balance?

These are just facts. Frank gets involved in the nitty-gritty problems that people have and helps them all he can whereas I reckon Robert Bruce just wants to play jet-setting guru. TV appearences and stuff. He was on english TV not so long ago. I reckon he's just ego-tripping and that's what frank is dead-set against, all these gurus and mystical types taking people's money to fuel their own ego.

What about that sai baba bloke that has been under investigation for being a sex beast and multiple rapist. He has a fleet of luxury cars and enjoys a miullionaire lifestyle at the expense of ordinary people donating their hard-earned cash to what they think isw a worthy cause and he is a total pervert who sexually abuses children.

Both Robert bruce and another member have assocuated themselves with this pervert and both these people are now barred from ther pulse. Now I don't know the exact reason for their barring and Im really not interested in the details, but you can't really accuse frank of being against people who directly associate themselves with known pedophiles. And to slag frank off in public without giving him reasonable opportunity to respond is just cowardly in my view, and a detriment to the supposed good name of this forum.

Novice

[55Beaphable]

I consider myself a mystic (though I do know that different people are going to have different perceptions of what that actually means). On the other hand, I approach my "mystical practice" in a very scientific way- meaning, I think of my body as a laboratory of sorts; I do exercises and perform experiments, and based on the clear results I attain, I gather more and more knowledge. Robert Bruce seems to be this way as well. He seems to be a pretty balanced person in general. And I tend to be more comfortable following the teachings of someone who seems uninterested in fighting others or trying to prove that his way is better than someone elses. Robert just presents what he knows to whomever is interested without ego, or drama, or conflict.

I have to agree with much of what you said there.

[imawlBoli]

Franks model does include the RTZ actually as a border between F1 and F2. Whether its positioning is correct or not is irrelevent, but it is included.

I would have to say that both RB and Frank have great models to work with and whichever works best for you is what you should use. Dissent is healthy and all, but we are all here to explore the wider reality correct? Why argue? We are here to experience whats out there for ourselves and whatever helps us should be welcomed. When someone else decides that another model works best for them it is not our place to question it. If we are going to awaken the world to the reality of it all (which is long over due in my book) we have to band together not rip each other apart.

In closing, please be kind. We are all in the same boat. The methods and the teachers are all attempting to aid us in reaching the same state of being. Embrace them all if you want to see this area of study advance.

[homerdienru]

Hi Just came back to civilisation after a while away and will try to answer a few questions that was raised to me. Sorry about the delay

Regards Mustardseed

[homerdienru]

Dear Violetsky and All
Thanks for the opportunity to explain. Firstly I think it would be fair to start off with an apology and also an observation. As you so rightly mentioned I am a Christian, and well acquainted with the verse you mentioned. In the light of that I must admit that though I hail and adhere to the principles Jesus laid out I find them very difficult to live. There is another verse that says the Spirit is indeed willing but the flesh (ego?) is weak. Me in a nutshell!!. I see what is going on and withdraw myself with a most profound apology to the pulse and the AD, I have come to the conclusion that an eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind as Mahatma Ghandi said, and I for one want no part in it. If stopping the slugging requires an apology from me, you got it. I do not mean this in a hypocritical way I really mean that. There has got to be ways to solve life’s problems more peace full and more in love and harmony than the way things have been happening on both these boards recently. From here I will take my slugging to the Lord. As you all know I did indeed Channel God and still do when people PM me and for my own benefit, and recently I received this message a most loving but also sobering lesson for me and I stand corrected, and I am sorry if I did anything to cause this. I still dio not understand it all and lots of the details I am accepting by faith in God and not by understanding. I will include the message and apologize if it offends anyone, I am not trying to start another Channeling God thread but merely to explain my sentiments.

(Channeling God)

Hi David
Interesting reading this thread don’t you think. It’s a gift for you my friend. I know that you are asking : a gift how can it be a gift, well I will tell you. Everything you learn that brings you closer to me is a most wonderful gift and you should thank me for it, and while you are at it thank your brothers and sisters as well. From where does contentions and bickering among you come? They come from your lust and pride that are as opposing forces in your spirits, in opposition to my peace and faith, and my positive thoughts. When you are tempted to answer back when someone hurts your pride like Frank did, just sweeten up, you do not need to get all riled up and certainly there is no use in answering him in the same manner. If someone hurts you like this and is on purpose really wishing to put you down you should pray for him instead for the path he is embarking on is most treacherous and very dangerous road. If he hurts you in a rash moment through being angry or maybe hurt pray as well, he may be suffering things you will never know. People who lash out at others, like some of you do, is often in a severe need of love and mercy as their lives so fittingly show. Grow up my friend grow up. Seek the better things in life love joy and forgiveness. It is not hard to forgive someone who hurts you if you know you deserved it but if you see yourself as innocent and still have mercy and still forgive, this is acceptable in my sight. So have you learned something through this, I hope so, I hope that you have learned that anger in the bosom of a fool is a most deadly weapon, that you learned that words are real things they lift up or knock down they curse or they damn. Behold what great a forest fire a little spark will start. You are a pretty smart guy, fast witted and very cocky, I know that you are well aware of this, often too smart for your own good so if you are so smart take that knowledge and put it to use, and humble yourself David and seek the place of a servant. Concerning Frank and all that went on just leave it with me, pass no judgment lest you be judged but love and be loved in return. Seek to mend the rift, and be a peacemaker. Especially apologize to the ones you have PMed with and learn and grow. That wont hurt you but a little humbling is going to be good for that proud spirit of yours. Most of all be assured of my love for you and everyone else as well, I love you all as if you were the only one.

So as for me the issue is a none issue. I would agree with the ones who posted in Franks defense that we who brought the matter into this forum is in essence no different. As to the actual issue discussed I am still learning and considering Phasing but still not convinced it can be used as a explanational model for existence. We have a saying in my country “go for the ball not the man” From now I will try that, and I apologize for any problems I have caused, especially to Nay, Adrian and Frank, since they are the ones I mentioned in my first post. I still have a way to go ha I hope you all can forgive me as well and lets instead focus on the solution the exieting things we experience, how it all works and why and how we can learn and grow,

And that’s all I have to say about that,

Regards Mustardseed

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[Toninvell]

Dear David Mustardseed,

I had noticed this topic was copied in another forum somehow and tried to erase it from that forum but ended up erasing the entire thread from the OBE forum. I want to apologize for this perfusely. Totally goofed here. Huge Blush. Honest to all that is I did not intend to do this at all. Terribly sorry.

Anyways you wrote:
For a few weeks I have tried to get some answers from Frank on the AP regarding Phasing. In my eagerness I have unfortunately drawn the anger of Gandalf and Frank and maybe some of the other moderators, so they are erazing my questions, and I just recieved a personal PM from Frank telling me not to ask him anything. Well I guess I deserve that to some extend as I have been quite critical and not very submissive to the 2 of them when they say things like "as you gain more experience you will find phasing to be superiour".

I am sincerly interested in his approach but have a hard time alligning it with my own experience so I was wondering if anyone is in the know and can explain me a few things about it.

From what I understand phasing claims that all fear is self induced, negs or other entities are a creation of your fear, is that how it is to be understood?

I met lots of people in the astral, are these people all in my mind, i.e. not real.

When I have a controlled exit, I do not leave my body at all, but move my point of awareness. How am I to understand this?

I must admit I have a hard time understanding the explanation of phasing, as a model to explain the universe, but totally see its relevance in the early stages of relaxation and approaching exit. Is its relevance only in this area or does it hold merit as a explation model on all the why we are here and where we are going etc.

I also would be glad if someone could guide me to any information on why the AP and AD seperated. It seems things have changed so much over there and I dont understand it all.

Regards David

[55Beaphable]

I want to learn to ORB!

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[mortgrhhh]

Major Tom,

With your permission I would like to copy the "Mind Awake, Body Asleep" article for my use. Is this okay?

[Evelinessa]

Miramac...

Thank you for your points. I was not aware that Robert Bruce had also recently given a non-residential 5 day seminar for a nominal sum to those who could not afford the 1400 dollar residential seminar. This must be a new thing. If so then it is certainly a step in the right direction. A 5-day luxury seminar for the rich and you use the profits from that to subsidise a 5 day non-residential seminar for the less well of. That is very admirable.

People claim that "frank" treated them disrespectfully. But I reckon that is not the case. He didn't treat me disrespectfully and many, many people speak highly of him. Here I reckon we have 2 or 3 digruntled people, a tiny minority being economic with the truth and using this forum as a sounding board for their own vindictive ends. In doing so they drag us all down. I'm surprised it is allowed. It is certainly againt the opening text in the forum intro and to allow someone to be slagged off in public without giving them leave to respond is just cowardly and something to be ashamed of.

At least frank doesn't associate himself with pedophiles. And for thast he gets my vote.

Novice

EDIT:

I just looked up the details and it wasn't 5 days at all. It was two days and a short lecture on the Friday evening. Plus, Mira, you were sponsoring it, and you now speak highly of it. Talk about "in house". Is there anyone here who is NOT taking a cut of the Robert Bruce pie, LOL (or expecting to at some stage). This place is so biased it's unreal.

[WFSdZuP3]

Dear Major Tom,

Mostly I mentally project and orb. With my OBE experiences I had assumed that my lack of sometimes sensing exit sensations was due to the state of relaxation I had reached. Have had spontaneous projections where I instantly found myself in places in the astral without sensing exit. I guess this is phasing rather than an OBE. Also, have had OBEs where I experienced varying amounts of vibration (mostly a whirling spinning feeling on exit for me). Assumed it possible not to have any exit sensations on OBE.

I think download is still an issue for OBEers due to the mind split phenomena which Robert talks about. I feel mixing of OBE and dream can happen. This would be similar to having a physical sound in a room which your conscious mind hears being included in your dream so that you are less likely to wake up. Most people have experienced this (I think?) where what is going on in our room where we sleep is mixed into the dream. I think the same thing can happen with OBE and dream. For example: If we have OBE exit sensations or flying sensations I think these get mixed into dream on occasion. I lucid dream almost every night. Am getting pretty good at differentiating between projection and lucid dreaming. Though I do note cross overs or mixing occurring. This is just an attempt to try to explain this. Again...this is just my guess on things.

Thank you for your informative and very interesting post.

Best Regards,
violetsky