[shihoodiacarf]

Roberts book is an amazing stepping stone and a wonderful place to start, but I agree projector.

On topic:

Dont do anything you feel may traumatize you. You may think "oh I can do such and such and not be bothered by it, I just couldnt do it in real life" but the experience can permanently scar you anyways. I believe alot of the astral is created by the subconsious and I dont think there is anything you shouldnt do, but be wary of anything that could drive you mad or damage you phsychologically.

[PZXjoe]

The_Projector, I don't exactly see where anyone was trying to prove you wrong. It seems to me that nparker was agreeing with most of your 10 things not to do. So please calm down.
Dan

Hi linksshadow...

You're all right... wisely I don't post further answer in order to not to feed the spark avoiding then to trigger a violent discussion.
Sincerely,
Natalia Parker

[etdgxcnc]

Whats wrong with seeing Lucifer.....after all the name does mean 'bringer of light'

[66paptroump]

I hate the way subjects go off topic. Get freaking real people. If you have anything to say about some elses top at least say your peace and then give an on topic answer to the poster to respect his questions and thoughts. Now to get back on topic. I would have to say to have an open mind and be curious about everything and to try and learn as much as possible about anything and everything. Oh yeah and stay positive and dont get overwhelmed in wandering thoughts. Stay in control.

[tigoCeree]

Can you really experience lucifer and hell? Not like i would want to experience that at all, id rather not think about it, but have you? can you? or is it only a mere projection of your subconcious?

yes you can i would not recommend it . We went together in class with angels protecting us . We were not taken all thru the realm but it is sad and eye opening . When we were exploring the gates of Death we were asked by our teachers to go there with them . http://www.astralsociety.com/as/Journal ... pic=2395.0

for everyone else, sometimes fear and a novice projectors weakness (for example, I NEED HELP!! AHH) can cause entities to say things along the lines of "hey, fresh meat!! lets take advantage of him!" et cetera.

I do believe in protection before any projection and I do call on angels and guides before hand . Faith is a hugely important to safety in spiritual realms . ALways have Faith not Fear . Fear attracts negativity . Link on protection here :
http://groups.msn.com/AuntClairsParlorS ... ction.msnw

[Sleflanna]

I hate the way subjects go off topic. Get freaking real people. If you have anything to say about some elses top at least say your peace and then give an on topic answer to the poster to respect his questions and thoughts. Now to get back on topic. I would have to say to have an open mind and be curious about everything and to try and learn as much as possible about anything and everything. Oh yeah and stay positive and dont get overwhelmed in wandering thoughts. Stay in control.

who the hell are you?

[alskdjreyfd]

Hello all. My being new here I will just post an opinion on a couple of what has been said.

As to the topic of astral guides. They do exist in one form or another it just depends on your belief system (ie: angels, spirit animals etc.).

As for there being a jesus or devil; for myself I have my belief of a creator "god"/Higher Power but have no belief in an ultimate evil. Is there evil out, there in a way yes in the form of the negative beings on the astral plane and those on the physical plane that do things that harm others. That to me is evil, harming others. That is why I follow the Wiccan Reed.
As to the topic of the what to not do when astral travelling. I will definitly take all to note and make sure I am careful when traveling once I can remember how(for those that don't know what I mean see my post on this forum)

Be well in all your travels in life.

Ben

[robinthesearchmasterh]

Easily put, don't go looking for trouble and unless it finds you, your set, right?

Everyone says "Don't do this, or that."

Just use common sense.

Street Smarts! Aka-> Astral Smarts?

or do they not match up?

[Daleman1984]

What? You can't cut the cord? ISn't that what everyone says not to do? And if that can't happen then how did a lot of people go into comatose? And what would the cord be attached to if there was no body?
And how, not to be rude would you know?

Are you sure this isn't just some kind of mechanism to make us not think about it or fear it so it is less likely to happen?

Sorry, it's just tat this cord deal is my main worry. Thanks. I need to go to orchestra now...Hope I get an answer. Bye.

[PemiaGefe]

Consider this:

Astral spying implies the gathering of information or knowledge by covert means, ie gaining knowledge of a person or situation by hidden methods - without anybody knowing you are doing this. Governments do this all the time one way or another, and justify their behaviour using terms like 'National Security' and 'The War Against Terrorism'. They are able to do it because they are in a position of power and have adopted a role of 'caretaker' of the population/nation. We allow them to infringe our privacy by default. But even though their motives appear to be positive (i.e. to protect us), this could still be thought of as selfish behaviour. Selfishness, in my opinion, is the betterment of your situation at the cost of those around you. It could be argued that spying in the interests of national security and defence is the improvement of that nation's situation and gaining an advantage, at the cost of another nation's (or their own people's!) privacy. Exactly what are they trying to protect us from anyway? Death? Life? We ALL can't fail to experience these, that's for sure! And when you consider that 'nations' and 'countries' don't truly exist anywhere but in our minds as social constructs, you begin to wonder what is being defended. Clearly it is their position of power that is being defended, and the resources of that nation. (And when you consider that 'ownership' and 'property' are also unreal social constructs, you start to wonder what all the struggle is about!)

It is true that knowledge is power, and those that are in power need to control knowledge in order to wield that power...

The important point here is how you use knowledge. If you gather information because you would like to know something, examine your motivation behind that need to know. It is admirable to seek knowledge to increase your awareness of the universe, but as soon as you decide to use that information in some way that will increase your advantage in life by directly decreasing someone else's, is when the problems may begin (i.e. karma - or equal and opposite energy displacement, as I like to see it!). I don't see ethics as being things that are 'right' or 'wrong' - this is too simplistic and is a view fostered by religions attempting to guide populations. I believe all actions in this game of life are permissable and do not need to be judged, but that all actions create an effect in the sea of energy around us, and that this always has consequences for us. That's karma. It's a neutral non judgemental rebalancing of energy.

A good ninja gathers information not necessarily to gain an advantage over others, but so that they can act at their maximum efficiency in any possible situation - flowing with the energy that surrounds them...

And with that I shall retire to my bed! Goodnight...

Cris.

[zlopikanikanzax]

interesting topic. Thoroughly enjoyed reading this.

[Abnorbprootly]

WHat i find good not to do is

1. Dont belive you are only out of your body, Know that you are as in your body as out your body.

[PZXjoe]

Hi The_Projector..!

About the 10th rule (Don't do anything you feel that might be wrong) , what ethical considerations related to selfish purposes we must to take into account..?
It's realistic the existence of astral spying activities..?
Institutions like CIA, NSA, FBI, INTERPOL can use astral as media for information gathering..?
National Defense and/or citizen security and wellbeing is a good excuse for to do such activities at astral..?

Natalia Parker

[Machater]

What are some things you SHOULDNT do while projecting (i.e. calling for help, attracting negative entities) some help for OBE beginners?

personally, dont fear anything really and dont think too hard about the dweller affect and other manifestations (astral noises, creatures, hitchhikers etc) because sometimes all it takes is a thought and poof there they are

[Daleman1984]

Oh, oh!

The golden rule:

DON'T CUT THE SILVER CORD!

[Toninvell]

blah blah blah...

Robert bruce says..blah blah..

don't you have any opinions for yourselfs?

Maybe that's why you haven't seen the astral fully because you are limited to what you think is limited because of some famous author.

geez, not trying to start an argument or anything but it gets annoying.

If this is you trying not to be argumentative then you are potentially a risky person to have on this board. It is a requirement to be polite and considerate of others to post in these forums. Try to think of how your posts will impact others by putting yourself in their shoes.

How would you feel if others said, it sounds like you have nothing of value to say?

An apology would be the polite thing to do. Hopefully, you understand the value of being polite and considerate of others or ultimately in life, not just here, you will be increasingly unread, unheard and potentially in life feel uncared for and very misunderstood.

[HartOvara]

I don't believe you need to worry about hell because I don't think it exists, or at least not the hell that most people think of.

There are sort of hells I guess, like Robert mentions with the sublevels. I can't remember if he also mentioned the word "infra-dimensions" but I heard of that before. Basically nightmarish places.

The only reason, I think, that you'd see or be in hell would be if you subconsciously manifest it because of your belief. But, no, I don't think it's real.

And about Lucifer... I have no clue what you're going on about. Are you meaning about the christian devil? Again, no, he/that doesn't exist either.

edit: And, from being tied up with that, I forgot to say what I was going to on topic. I don't think there's anything you can really do that would cause too much harm. I think Robert says about you not being able to be harmed, so do whatever you want. The only thing I'd watch out for, like someone mentioned, would be about being deceived by spirits.

[KitRittyTug]

Easy does it me old son ...

Lighten up..

Blessings,

S

[k5wTvu9f]

The_Projector, I don't exactly see where anyone was trying to prove you wrong. It seems to me that nparker was agreeing with most of your 10 things not to do. So please calm down.

And as knightlight said, there are obviously differing religious beliefs between the two of you and this is not a place to preach, convert, or otherwise spread your religious beliefs. This is a place to openly discuss without pushing your values and morals upon someone else. We will never all agree, it just won't happen. The absolute most important thing here is to be respectful of ALL the users here and their beliefs. Being respectful doesn't necessarily mean you agree with them, it just means that you are willing to be open and accepting of the differences.

Regards,
Dan

[robinthesearchmasterh]

About the 10th rule (Don't do anything you feel that might be wrong) , what ethical considerations related to selfish purposes we must to take into account..?
It's realistic the existence of astral spying activities..?
Institutions like CIA, NSA, FBI, INTERPOL can use astral as media for information gathering..?
National Defense and/or citizen security and wellbeing is a good excuse for to do such activities at astral..?
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Maybe if we were to discuss this and a CIA, NSA, FBI, or INTERPOL personal found out we were, we would be arrested ;P

but im just paranoid [/quote]