[Tactattcahhaw]

I've had sleep paraylsis a few times and I think that 'moving feeling' you get from concentrating alot can be used to project from that by just focusing on it as your astral body not your physical one. Also, perhaps you might want to focus on just moving a toe or a finger and visualize when it moves your entire body breaks free from this paraylsis (maybe you imagine you are contained in a steel shell and a finger or toe moving shatters it) Keep us posted.

Good luck,

Stu.

[flopay]

I'm wondering if "moving" through paralysis may actually be another method of having an OBE from that state. I've had experiences where I manage to roll out of bed, crawl around and then get up and move around. I'm clearly not awake in these experiences, since I wake up later in bed. Would this be a Real-Time Zone projection, albeit a clumsy, brute-force one? i dunno, but i once had just that experience and after crawling around i left my "body" for a second time and this time it seemed to be true RTZ style. leaving my fake body in an 100% lucid dreamstate like that felt funny: i broke out throug my shoulder,winding myself, like I was a "liquid heavy air body" in a mummy shell. once i was partially out the "empty" parts of this mummy shell which i left behind felt like cold water on the 'skin' of the liquid air body.

[lodsemelf]

I've been working on ways to get into paralysis more easily and one thing I've found to work pretty well is to use muscle twitching: http://www.saltcube.com/?t=newsletter-06-04-05

I must say, THANK YOU, so very much for this information on attaining the paralysis state, this information seems valid and I can't wait to try it tonight.

Xap, my expirences have led me to believe that once the paralysis state has been achieved, all you need to do is try and physically roll out, or sit up, or "walk" out of your physical body. The etheric body should be loose enough during the paralysis state that you should have no trouble leaving your physical body.

Again, thanks Matt. And Xap, good luck with your OBE's.

[Qncvqpgfg]

Hello Xap, you said that:
"moving through paralysis may actually be another method of having an OBE from that state".

I don't know if I understood well what you meant by moving through paralysis but in my case when I 'false awake' in the paralysis state and I start movig it is actually my astral body that is moving, so if I want to project I just move as if getting out of bed and I'm out of my body - you have to make a good effort because of the rubber-like resistance. (but I think I'm telling what you know already). But an interesting thing I found is that projecting like this makes you drag back a lot of the energy from the etheric body (energetic body) making you very dense, disoriented and with vision difficulties. The solution is to install the vibrational state in paralysis but still in your body. The way I do this is to have a kind of relaxation that makes the vibrational state start (other ppl make pull energy up and down through the body). After the Vibrations start you can exit your body as if you were physically doing it but this time everyhing is much clearer and lucid.

Another thing (maybe this is just for me) is that the best way to brake paralysis (in case you are fearfull) is by moving a toe. I don't know why but toes seem to be the easiest part of your body to to move in such situations.

[jgztw2es]

Thanks for the feedback everyone re: OBEing. I can do that all right once I get past the fear reflex and the desire to more (not really a fear thing; just a desire to do something that I supposedly can't).

I'm wondering if "moving" through paralysis may actually be another method of having an OBE from that state. I've had experiences where I manage to roll out of bed, crawl around and then get up and move around. I'm clearly not awake in these experiences, since I wake up later in bed. Would this be a Real-Time Zone projection, albeit a clumsy, brute-force one?

Anyway, I'm just curious as to what experience people have with this state. I know a lot of people are keen on bypassing it (and with good reason), but I guess it's hard to me to relax and go with the flow when there's something I'm prevented from doing (like moving). I'm probably extremely stuboorn tho

Xap

[lodsemelf]

Thanks for the information Matt, I really appreciate it. This is what I have been searching for, for a long time. Somthing odd is, when I first expirenced the paralysis state, I wasn't afraid. I thought it was rather neat and enjoyable. This seems to be the contrary for most people expirencing the paralysis state though.

[jgztw2es]

A lot of people talk about the paralysis state and use words associated with total and complete paralysis, but for some reason I was always able to move with extreme will power albeit only slightly. Usually, I could gradually move an arm or two and then twist my body slightly, but unless I kept focusing, my limbs and body would "snap back" to the original position. Very annoying!

Does anyone else have similar experience? If so, how much are you normally able to move in the paralysis state? What exactly is moving? Etheric double, astral-double, lucid dream...?

I'd appreciate any feedback and advice anyone could give.

Thank-you,

Xap

[jgztw2es]

Thanks again for the feedback, all.

I'm going to try out this twitch thing a few times (thanks Matt - I also have my kitchen timer somewhere around here - a great all-around meditation aid) and I guess I'll TRY to relax during paralysis (but it's sooo tempting to want to move ;P). I'll let you know how it goes.

Xap

[shihoodiacarf]

basically the key for me to relax during paralysis is to close my eyes. As long as I have them open I cant relax. I close my eyes, stop all action in my limbs and basically forget about my body. Vibrations will kick in and then its off floating about usually in the real time zone.

[wiweimeli]

I have about 3 or 4 sleep paralysis episodes per month. I either wake up paralyzed and something is in my room like disembodied eyes or ectoplasmic mists which I am assuming are just on their way through when my astral sense kicks into high gear like spidermans spider sense, or I wake up and cant move and I just relax back down and stop fighting it and have an OBE. Recently I have been having paralysis with hands on my wrists or on my body, but I am never frightened for more than a few seconds and they are never agressive or abusive in any way. I have tried to lash out quickly to grab them but there isnt anything there. My ability to move varies greatly, but usually I can move my hands and weakly move my arms and head.

Hello.

Would you please describe in detail the process how the process occurs with you, from relaxing back down and stopping to fight paralysis to being out-of-body after exit?

[PZXjoe]

A lot of people talk about the paralysis state and use words associated with total and complete paralysis, but for some reason I was always able to move with extreme will power albeit only slightly. Usually, I could gradually move an arm or two and then twist my body slightly, but unless I kept focusing, my limbs and body would "snap back" to the original position. Very annoying!

Does anyone else have similar experience? If so, how much are you normally able to move in the paralysis state? What exactly is moving? Etheric double, astral-double, lucid dream...?

I'd appreciate any feedback and advice anyone could give.

Thank-you,

Xap

Hi Xap..!

A question first: "Are you trying to have an OBE..?"
If you are trying to have an OBE and you surprisingly finds that your body don't answer to will, then, at such a state, you are acting in opposite way to your first intention (of to have an OBE). In other words, if you find that you are in a paralysis status don´t act opposing to it. Take it as a very good signal of an OBE is in progress, and take gain of it.

A second question now: "If you are not trying to have an OBE, in such a case, of sure, you are coming back from one, and some strange state of paralysis is forbidding body movements..?"
At such state I advice to perform MBA actions. This actions will serve you as a way of to take conciousness and control of your physical body.

I never had have a paralysis status, so feedback, please, on the successfullness of this countermeasure.

I deeply desire you have success..!!!
Sincerely,
Natalia Parker

[jgztw2es]

Chris,

Is this pressure localized in a few specific places like the chest or the forehead, or is it a more general feeling?

Xap

[Hsmrcahr]

Regarding the paralysis state, I've been experiencing it all of my life and have noticed several different forms. A lot of the time I feel tremedous pressure and energy sensations while paralysed. This sometimes triggers a fear reaction which stops my projection attempt. I'm curious to know if anyone else experiences these symptoms? It's hard to describe them but it can feel like massive pressure on my head/body, like millions of tonnes weighing down. Sometimes it feels like gravity has flipped and I'm sliding backwards, almost falling into the sky, or like my mind has been spread thinly over a near infinate distance. It can be very distracting, and when I wake into a paralysis state and feel these sensations I almost reflexivly try and break the paralysis.

[wiweimeli]

Pretty simple. Thank you for sharing!

[Nundduedola]

I've found deep breathing once I'm in 100% paralysis sends me out of body very consistently, a method for that is at http://www.saltcube.com/?t=paralysis

I've been working on ways to get into paralysis more easily and one thing I've found to work pretty well is to use muscle twitching: http://www.saltcube.com/?t=newsletter-06-04-05

[Nundduedola]

Hi guys,
In response to questions about moving through paralysis, I've mapped out several of the ways you can do that here:

http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha ... exit-paths

Also, one of the most useful things to be able to work with is some kind of behind the eyelid imagery while you're in paralysis. If you can take a part of the imagery you've got and make it spin it will become clearer until it's vivid enough that you can phase into it, here's a description on that:

http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha ... t-spinning

Daniel wrote:
Xap, my expirences have led me to believe that once the paralysis state has been achieved, all you need to do is try and physically roll out, or sit up, or "walk" out of your physical body. The etheric body should be loose enough during the paralysis state that you should have no trouble leaving your physical body. Rolling out and sitting up has worked for me as well, but I've found there's a slight danger of accidentally moving your physical body and waking up. So what I usually do instead is to create a feeling of a force, like the feeling of gravity pressing me out of body or creating two forces, one curved and one straight to ooze out of body. I have some details about those here:

http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha ... r-04-08-05
http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha ... vity-press

You're right that your nonphysical body needs to be relaxed enough to make the exit, I've found that I have to wait through the vibe stage because if I try to press out too soon I just get a lot of shaking and nothing happens.

Also, perhaps you might want to focus on just moving a toe or a finger and visualize when it moves your entire body breaks free from this paraylsis (maybe you imagine you are contained in a steel shell and a finger or toe moving shatters it) I've had the best results using deep breathing to move through paralysis to the OBE state. If I move my toe then it wakes up my physical body and I have to start all over again.


I've had experiences where I manage to roll out of bed, crawl around and then get up and move around. I'm clearly not awake in these experiences, since I wake up later in bed. Would this be a Real-Time Zone projection, albeit a clumsy, brute-force one? For me, what defines an OBE is whether you're fully aware of your own identity during the OBE. It doesn't really matter if your surroundings are vivid, because you can be blind and still be in an OBE. There's a graph of what I think defines an OBE versus a regular dream here http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha ... versus-obe

So it sounds to me like what you described really is an OBE even though you were stumbling around.


I have about 3 or 4 sleep paralysis episodes per month. I either wake up paralyzed and something is in my room like disembodied eyes or ectoplasmic mists which I am assuming are just on their way through when my astral sense kicks into high gear like spidermans spider sense, or I wake up and cant move and I just relax back down and stop fighting it and have an OBE. Recently I have been having paralysis with hands on my wrists or on my body, but I am never frightened for more than a few seconds and they are never agressive or abusive in any way. I have tried to lash out quickly to grab them but there isnt anything there. My ability to move varies greatly, but usually I can move my hands and weakly move my arms and head. That sounds like dweller on the threshold phenonmenon. What worked for me to get past that was to tell that thing to shove it. Here's a page on getting rid of those things http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/cha ... ?t=sp-fear

A lot of people talk about the paralysis state and use words associated with total and complete paralysis, but for some reason I was always able to move with extreme will power albeit only slightly. Usually, I could gradually move an arm or two and then twist my body slightly, but unless I kept focusing, my limbs and body would "snap back" to the original position. Very annoying! Use deep breathing until you slip out naturally, if you're snapping back it means you haven't quite matched the right frequency to make the exit.

Good luck!!!

[Hsmrcahr]

Chris,

Is this pressure localized in a few specific places like the chest or the forehead, or is it a more general feeling?

Xap

Sorry about the delay in replying, I only just noticed this post! The pressure is either localsied around the forehead area (a few occasions the Jaw) or it is more general, felt over my whole body/awarness. Many years ago I've experienced similar sensations in dreams.

[shihoodiacarf]

I have about 3 or 4 sleep paralysis episodes per month. I either wake up paralyzed and something is in my room like disembodied eyes or ectoplasmic mists which I am assuming are just on their way through when my astral sense kicks into high gear like spidermans spider sense, or I wake up and cant move and I just relax back down and stop fighting it and have an OBE. Recently I have been having paralysis with hands on my wrists or on my body, but I am never frightened for more than a few seconds and they are never agressive or abusive in any way. I have tried to lash out quickly to grab them but there isnt anything there. My ability to move varies greatly, but usually I can move my hands and weakly move my arms and head.