[Brareevor]

Do you believe every body has a soul? I used to until I took a course for a master's program titled, "Brain Biology & Behavior." The premise of the course was: all the normal functions of the healthy brain and the disorders of the diseased brain, no matter how complex, are ultimately explainable in terms of the basic structural components of the brain and their function. - The course was awesome, once I came to understand that medically their is no taniglable soul that we know of.

Personally, I don't have a firm belief either way as to whether there is a soul or not. I would love to hear your thoughts on the subject of a soul or not.

[dogdesign]

Define "soul".

[vSzsgifP]

Excellent! I guess we do need a definition of what I'm talking about with "soul."

My definition is: the entity that lives with and guides us for eternity, even after death of the physical body.

[D6Ri5u13]

Excellent! I guess we do need a definition of what I'm talking about with "soul."

My definition is: the entity that lives with and guides us for eternity, even after death of the physical body.

Not a fair definition, in my opinion. We cannot see beyond death and we darn sure cannot see into eternity. To speak of that which cannot be spoken is like peeing in the wind. Hehehe. (Sorry, I had to do that.)

I still have some soul left over from the other soul thread so I guess I can say that I believe in such a thing as soul.

You spoke of the brain but said nothing of the mind which is much more than just the brain.

And BTW, I really doubt that medical science has a full handle on the brain yet. But I won't knock what they have accomplished so far.

Peace & Love!

[zzbust]

JimBob wrote, "To speak of that which cannot be spoken is like peeing in the wind."

Its just your own body fluid. Do you think of your self as unclean? Trust me on this one, you will clean up afterward and be all afresh.
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JimBob wrote, "I still have some soul left over from the other soul thread..."

My apologies about posting a new thread; I'm still learning.
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JimBob wrote, "You spoke of the brain but said nothing of the mind which is much more than just the brain."

The course's premise was that the mind is the brain; they are one, according to the professor.
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JimBob wrote, "I really doubt that medical science has a full handle on the brain yet."

You are correct! There is much about the brain that is not yet known or understood.

[fetesiceWaist]

Its just your own body fluid. Do you think of your self as unclean? Trust me on this one, you will clean up afterward and be all afresh.

Well, yes and no, but better that my pee goes where I want it to than where the wind wants it to.

My apologies about posting a new thread; I'm still learning.

No problem. I enjoy talking about the subject regardless of what thread it is in.

The course's premise was that the mind is the brain; they are one, according to the professor.

I consider that to be a matter of opinion. Kinda like a course I took once (philosophy/theologysociology - I don't remember for sure) where a hidden premise was that God existed only in the Christian form. I don't hold to that belief - needless to say I created a controversy in the classroom.

The concept of intuition is the primary cause in my believing in 'soul'. (That is, apart from my philosophy which teaches that we have a soul.) It has been my experience that intuition and inspiration take root mostly in my gut then spreads to my lungs and heart and then I become consciously aware (but not necessarily understanding). The brain is the last to know. Sometimes I don't even understand the inspirations but I have learned to follow them because they have never let me down but I have gotten into trouble when I did not follow them.

In these cases I feel that it is not the brain that is initiating the feelings I have but rather my soul.

Peace & Love!

[antonyandruleit]

I'm not being difficult but your definition has belief in an "entity" that persists as part of the "soul" definition. It also has the concept of linear time in it.

If I said that we are eternal (in the sense that there is no such thing as time in the long run), we are ALL connected and already part of Deity and any separation that is perceived is false, then the concept of this "separate soul" becomes an oxymoron of sorts.

I do believe we are more than this body or this personality or the thoughts and feelings we have.

So.....I don't know.... would be my answer.....

Excellent! I guess we do need a definition of what I'm talking about with "soul."

My definition is: the entity that lives with and guides us for eternity, even after death of the physical body.

[loan4younow]

Nice observation, Coffeebeing. (But I will let Jupiter respond before I say anything.)

Peace & Love!

[AriaDesser]

"....better that my pee goes where I want it to than where the wind wants it to."

Are you sure? We both know at some point in life, you've peed in the wind. Thus, you learned not to do it again. In business, there is a saying that goes "if it ain't broke, break it." The concept is that sometimes its wise to re-examine what we think we know and understand. Who knows, the wind just might give you a break this time. Care to take a chance?

[Lkemybab]

"So.....I don't know.... would be my answer....."

Coffee, its difficult to debate when we agree with the final conclusion.

[Sironimoll]

"So.....I don't know.... would be my answer....."

Coffee, its difficult to debate when we agree with the final conclusion.

[ycMC0PLg]

"....better that my pee goes where I want it to than where the wind wants it to."

Are you sure? We both know at some point in life, you've peed in the wind. Thus, you learned not to do it again. In business, there is a saying that goes "if it ain't broke, break it." The concept is that sometimes its wise to re-examine what we think we know and understand. Who knows, the wind just might give you a break this time. Care to take a chance?

Yeah. In the Army we have a saying that "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." In other words, if it is working fine just leave it alone.

Yep. I have done my thing against the wind. It takes time for one's pant legs to dry.

Oh, I still take chances. But not near as many as I used to. This ole man ain't as flexible as he used to be. Better to stay with things and processes I can depend on.

Besides, I don't need to be starting anything new - I still have a lot of old things I need take care of.

Peace & Love!

[esdfsdflast]

Hey. We can still debate - I'll change my mind. Hehehe.

Peace & Love!

[ElectraDupu]

Is the concept of "eternity" or "after death" an expression of linear time?

[Druspills]

After Death...death being a point in time or an event...and after..meaning a sequence of events or a state that occurs at a point further down the scale ..so...yes....

Is the concept of "eternity" or "after death" an expression of linear time?

[padlabtard]

Is the concept of "eternity" or "after death" an expression of linear time?

In my mind, Yes. I.e., creation and destruction. One builds a building (creation) then a hurricane blows it down (destruction). End of linear story.

Cyclical thought. One builds a building (creation), but, destruction of the current state of all materials used in the construction, then a hurricane blows it down (destruction), but, creation of a new state of all materials that were in the building, some returning to their original state, some 'moving on' to a new state. No end of cyclical story.

Peace & Love!

(If that is vague, I apologize, it's the best I could do this early in the morning.)

[Fosavoa]

"Cyclical thought. One builds a building (creation), but, destruction of the current state of all materials used in the construction, then a hurricane blows it down (destruction), but, creation of a new state of all materials that were in the building, some returning to their original state, some 'moving on' to a new state. No end of cyclical story."

New concept for me. I can see that. - LOL! You'll have to drill it into me until I learn it though.

[FreeOEMcheapestPHOTOSHOP]

New concept for me. I can see that. - LOL! You'll have to drill it into me until I learn it though.

Hehehe. There will be time - I'll be here for a while (I think).

Actually, I think that Coffeebeing and Greyface can speak better than I on this subject. (Where are you guys?)

Peace & Love!

[jstizzle]

What I meant about linear time, and a belief I've long had, is that time does not actually exist. Who else measures it besides humans? Or who else measures it in such arbitrary units, thinking that the face of a clock represents something that can't be examined in a lab? Many scientists don't believe in time. Eternity is eternity, it has no beginning or end. If we believe in souls then "after death" really should be worded "after death of the physical body." We, our souls, are not in a different "time" period than we were before the body died, we're in the same eternity. Of course one would have to believe that souls don't die.

[Nurba]

What I meant about linear time, and a belief I've long had, is that time does not actually exist. Who else measures it besides humans? Or who else measures it in such arbitrary units, thinking that the face of a clock represents something that can't be examined in a lab? Many scientists don't believe in time. Eternity is eternity, it has no beginning or end. If we believe in souls then "after death" really should be worded "after death of the physical body." We, our souls, are not in a different "time" period than we were before the body died, we're in the same eternity. Of course one would have to believe that souls don't die.

Hi Rake,

Boy! What a bunch of stuff for me to respond to.

Well, okay, I think that time does exist. It is the best measurement of the movement of objects.

I accept the Big Bang theory. Therefore this current time period began at the Big Bang. Yes, we humans measure time based on our own solar system and this really has little to do with the rest of the universe. But we can measure the rest of the universe's movement according to our own base and, for us, that's all that really matters anyhow.

But, ..., I will agree with your unspoken point that time doesn't matter. And yes, eternity is a long time. Hehehe. And how could we possibly speak of the time before the Big Bang? Was there actually time prior to that point? I suppose not.

As to the soul (the spirit, in my belief), time wouldn't matter here either, I suppose. Actually, this would include my essence as well because of my belief that everything that is, is, always has been, and always will be. Who am I to say what form the stuff I am made of should be in?

And one would have to believe that nothing is ever torn apart and reduced to nothing. That is one of the theories of the universe right now - that the universe will continue to expand at an increasing rate until everything is torn apart from its base gravity to the point where nothing exists. If nothing exists there will be no movement of objects so time will not exist.

But then I am still holding to the Big Crunch (I called it the Big Suck until I learned what I was supposed to call it) theory - that eventually the universe will stop expanding and reverse direction, everything being sucked into one massive Black Hole.

So, regardless of what happens, the energy that I am composed of will still exist in some form or another. So, yes, time means nothing to eternity. And if all that exists, exists eternally, then time means nothing to everything. (Except when a woman has to tell her real age for some official documentation.)

Are we still talking about the same thing?

Peace & Love!