[Blaxastij]

Paul Daview is an astrobiologist. He has a new book out about SETI, The Eerie Silence. Leslie Mullen quotes him: “To a physicist like me, life looks to be a little short of magic: all those dumb molecules conspiring to achieve such clever things! How do they do it? There is no orchestrator, no choreographer directing the performance, no esprit de corps, no collective will, no life force – just mindless atoms pushing and pulling on each other, kicked about by random thermal fluctuations. Yet the end product is an exquisite and highly distinctive form of order. Even chemists, who are familiar with the amazing transformative powers of molecules, find it breathtaking. George Whitesides, Professor of Chemistry at Harvard University, writes, “How remarkable is life? The answer is: very. Those of us who deal in networks of chemical reactions know of nothing like it.”

[paydayloanfasters]

William Shakespeare was a poet and a playwright. He has a lot of old books still in print. I quote him; "Words, words, words" (Hamlet, Act 2, scene 2) and, again, "Signifying nothing" (Macbeth, Act 5, scene 5).

Your point?

BTW, the man's name is DAVIES.

[xanonlinexan]

More pictures while humber continues to quote mine and misunderstand science.

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From an interview w/ Paul Davies on the amazon page...

My book advocates a massive expansion in SETI, not by doing more of the same (though that is good too) but by shifting the focus toward the search for general signatures of intelligence. All technology leaves a footprint; for example, human technology is producing global warming. Alien technology might leave a bigger footprint, with telltale signs. However, these signs might be very subtle and require our best scientific analysis to detect. Discovery in science favors the prepared mind, so this book is a wake-up call to all scientists to start thinking about how a signature of alien technology might impact on their field of research. I'm also hinting that a signature of alien technology might already lurk in an unexplored database in fields as diverse as astrophysics, geology and microbiology.

One thing I decided to do in the book was to tackle the thorny issue of alien visitation--what the physicist Enrico Fermi alluded to in his famous "Where is everybody?" quip six decades ago. However--and this is crucial--I want to draw a big distinction between stories of ET visiting Earth in historical times, abducting people, re-engineering humans, being drawn on cave walls and so on, and what I regard as legitimate speculation, namely, that some time in its four billion plus year history, the solar system may have been visited or passed through by an expedition or colonization wave. It need not have been alien beings in the flesh, but their robotic surrogates. Anyway, the point is that the time scale is vast--they could have come at any time in 4.5 billion years! Let's be optimistic and suppose it happened a mere 100 million years ago. Would we know? Would any traces of alien technology survive for 100 million years? Not the plastic cups and rocket parts, I think. It turns out that there are some possibilities, though. Nuclear waste is one, genomic detritus is another. We could look for these things. It wouldn’t cost much, and who knows what we might find? Doesn't sound like the kind of ideas Paul usually supports -- that aliens & not God created man. Could it be that Humb & Humber-er has changed his stripes?

Or is this another Humbug FAIL?

[Diondra]

[S.T.D.]

[gariharrr]

i like the people who claim satan planted the dinosaur bones to trick people.

that satan, he's a forward thinking fellow!

That was the Magratheans, not Satan.

Although of course there's an express train (satire > skepticism > blasphemy > Satan) that'll get you where you want to go.

[Aswdwdfg]

I want to know when Paul is going to post his own words... rather than quoting other people/the bible.

I mean, I could very quickly write a app that could post random quotes from people about creationism... and it'd be indistinguishable from Paul's posts. (Evidence that Paul would fail the Turing Test? Maybe....)

On the flip side, i could very easily write an app that could take fragments of Paul's posts and post relevant quotes rebutting them... which just shows how much use Paul's posts really are. (ie. none)




By the way... is anyone really surprised that people are amazed by how complicated life can be? That you don't see non-life in such complicated forms?

Hell, life has only had 4 BILLION YEARS to "come up" with this stuff... give us 4 BILLION YEARS worth of designing/building non-life forms and I bet we'd have some seriously complicated stuff too. (Take planes for example... in just over 100 years they've gone from incredibly simple to outrageously complicated... now think what they could be like in 4 BILLION YEARS!)

[xLQLRcXh]

A global scale flood laid down the Morrison formation and buried these dinosaurs.

Lies restated are still lies.

This is just another thread designed to twist and distort the facts of evolution and the fossil record. There is no real evidence in the OP, or anywhere else, of the "flood," just as there is no scientific evidence of creationism


I urge posters to continue the discussion on the appropriate thread, "Creation Science" is Not Science.

[plantBanceper]

I dug up dinosaur bones in the Morrison Formation near Fruita with Jim Kirkland, a paleontologist and geologist. (I have the rock-hammer injuries to the first knuckle of my left index finger to prove it.)

Yes, dinosaur bones tend to be found with fossils of aquatic life. That's because fossilization requires quick sedimentation, and that occurs most frequently in rivers and along some shorelines. The site where I dug was in what had been a river bend.

[tevyrefficy]

omg lol!

[b7RKli4l]

Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.

[Sydaycymn]

In fact, the Morrison formation....

I have a friend who claims to have seen the Morrison formation at the Dinner Key Auditorium on March 1, 1969. She claims it was quite a bone, but I think she was really drunk and it was all wishful thinking.

[Repwailia]

Ian Juby recently sent me his Creation Evolution News for April 14, 2010. (See April 14, 2010 CrEvo newsletter) I asked him for permission to post his Dinosaur Discombobulation pictures on a forum. He said that it was fine.

Here are discombobulated dinosaurs in the Morrison Formation, Dinosaur National Monument, Utah


When we find dinosaurs, we find them in one of two ways: ripped apart and scattered, or we find them in the death pose. In either case, we find them buried with marine organisms. In fact, the Morrison formation (which I am the most familiar with, having excavated in it, and examined it in multiple locations and multiple times) provides a stunning example of the evidence of Noah's flood. When you visit Dinosaur National Monument (an exposition of the dinosaur bones in-situ in the Morrison formation), you'll encounter a plaque which reads "Clams, not dinosaurs, are the most abundant fossils found here." In fact, the fossil clams they have on display were buried alive in the closed position.

In fact, plaques at Dinosaur National Monument and the Royal Tyrell Museum in Drumheller, Alberta, both state quite plainly that it was a flood that killed and discombobulated these dinosaurs in the beds. So even the evolutionary community acknowledges that it was a flash flood that killed and disarticulated (discombobulated, or tore apart) the dinosaurs of the Morrison formation. Bury a clam and it will escape - unless you bury it fast and deep so that it can't dig its way out again. At Dinosaur National Monument, and the Royal Tyrell Museum in Drumheller, Alberta, they claim that these dinosaurs were buried by a river. First of all, rivers do not bury clams alive. Secondly, this was no meandering river! This is a map of the Morrison formation:



The Morrison covers ten states and three Canadian provinces. That layer is typically parallel to the other layers above and below it, showing that all those layers were laid down by the same event. Most of the formation is 4,000 to 8,000 feet above sea level today. A global scale flood laid down the Morrison formation and buried these dinosaurs.

Never really ventured down to this part of the forum before. Very entertaining!

I have to ask, your not really serious, are you? You do realize you look like a complete and total idiot. It has to be a joke, right? Let me guess you still believe the nuns from catholic school, thunder and lighting really is god bowling.!!!!!

[temansertewek]

Let me guess you still believe the nuns from catholic school, ....!!!!!

Humber thinks Catholics aren't Christians & therefore not saved. Every knee will bow before the creator on the cross!!

[Kghikeds]

Humber thinks Catholics aren't Christians & therefore not saved. Every knee will bow before the creator on the cross!!

OOHHH!!! I get it. What a nut job. This is the down side of the information super highway.

[sobre]

There is no conflict!

[vioppyskype]

I dug up dinosaur bones in the Morrison Formation near Fruita with Jim Kirkland, a paleontologist and geologist. (I have the rock-hammer injuries to the first knuckle of my left index finger to prove it.) Yes, dinosaur bones tend to be found with fossils of aquatic life. That's because fossilization requires quick sedimentation, and that occurs most frequently in rivers and along some shorelines. The site where I dug was in what had been a river bend.

Right. It’s easy to dig at those places because of exposure, but there are also dino bones found away from rivers. Did you see the area the map covered? That would have to be some river.

Additionally, man cannot be trusted. There is much evidence, for example, that the so-called “climategate” data have been messaged to fit agendas. Of course, secularists undoubtedly will charge me (or the Bible) with bias, but is there anyone on earth without at least some bias? Both Scripture (God's Word) and science, to my way of thinking, make it clear that the flood produced many if not most of the fossils. If the flood produced the fossils, then evolution is a myth (since it rests on a wrong interpretation of the fossils and their order). Also, if the flood produced the geologic strata, then "geologic ages" are a myth (since the flood laid down at least "560 million years" worth of strata within one year of real time only thousands of years ago). See Guy Berthault’s video “Experiments in Stratification” at Experiments In Stratification.

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more pictures. yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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