I don't look at every thread. Is is wrong to request that these threads stand alone and HAVE the relevant pedigrees/pictures, etc IN them that ARE being talked about so that I don't have to go thread hunting?

Carla

Here ya go: New Puppy

Btw - OP said that the breeder mentioned in that post didn't actually breed the litter, just had the puppies. Not sure what happened there.

And I totally didn't catch that the sire is a red nosed dog (that's what I get for posting early in the AM!).. that's a BIG no-no in AKC.

I see two males on that Southern website, and neither pedigree appears to be Am Staf.

Is there a pedigree for the dog you have pictured (the sire)?

Carla

Pedigree please??

Why are you so hell bent on finding out what your dog is and why are you making so many threads about it?

100% scatterbred bull & terrier. Main stream media and the general public would just say "pit bull". Just because he has all three breeds in him doesn't make him any one, more than the other. With the red nose and golden eyes, AST might have been my last guess ... but the body kinda reminds me of AST ... except so leggy ... and then there are the AmBully lines in the ped. Did I mention scatterbred LOL.

And in your thread title ... AB ... I don't see any American Bulldog at all.

Definitely a "no-no" in the conformation ring; but they DO occassionally happen but usually disappear very quickly as pets!

The dog looks like you generic pit bull type dog. Scatter bred like Joe said.

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Which could definitely be the case here. I'd really love to see this pups papers, I'm genuinely curious.

you're right, I said it backwards, and I don't think you can dual register anymore, unless both parents of the dog were dual registered.

Correct. UKC does not single register APBTs anymore.

if you dont know we dont know. unless your a reputable breeder or you show who cares what the dog is. its a member of your family and thats all that matters

I dont know what breedthe dog you posted up is. However, I like him a lot. I love the facial markings, gives the face dimension IMO

The reason im so hell bent on finding out what he is is because I cant get much info from the guy I got him from. And it really bothers me to not know 100% what he is.

Not to mention I probably paid to much for an unregistered pup (my fault) presuming the guy was a reputable breeder. I guess I just want hope that he isnt a mutt.

Sorry if im beating a dead horse guys/gals. It just really depresses me. We all want what we pay for right?

It happens to people all the time. But I thought you said the parents had papers? Did you pup come with papers or not?

Your never going to know 100% what he is so get over it and move on

Been there bro. Sucks but it happens to the best of us. But my mistake with a byb was the best mistake ever. I was introduced to a very loving bully breed, and found my heart dog.

So best thing to do from here, is pick up, move on and learn as much as you can from what you do know

I can understand. Guy really isn't such a great breeder AFTER all, is he.
Most breeders are anxious to supply you with the paperwork on their dogs -- they are proud of what they've got. It's odd they won't discuss or give you copies of papers, even if they won't "sell" you the papers.

Most likely you have an APBT bred along the lines of what those other two males are on that website.

Carla

And in the end, you DID get what you paid for. You have a puppy you are happy with. You are going to neuter him anyway according to some of your other posts, so what's the difference? A dog with the greatest pedigree in the world can be a flop. A dog with an unknown pedigree can be fabulous.

I compete a lot with a shelter pit bull type mutt that the AKC let me PAL as an AmStaff. He competes along side of the purebred dogs. Makes no difference. Papers don't step up to that start line. My dog was found running along a dirt road in the country. Who cares? Just enjoy your dog, whatever he is.

He's adorable.

I agree that an unknown dog can be just as good a dog as any "pedigreed" dog.

But, papers DO often make a difference, whether the dog is a flop or fabulous. What's interesting -- to many of us -- is the HISTORY behind that flop or fabulous dog!

Dogs and dog discussion today, whether you agree with it or not, is based on breeds and the purebred dog model -- whether you agree with the whole purebred dog thing or not. And that whole model is based on and exists because of the PEDIGREE! It's fairly natural, I believe, to want to know that history.

I encourage people to always GET the pedigree if they are at all interested in the BREED and went to a breeder for a dog; and I always tell them to RUN from any breeder that charges more FOR papers; AND that papers are NO guarantee of the future quality of an individual dog.

Carla