[Berta]

Just because people buy or sell dogs as pit bulls doesn't mean they're right. "Pit bull" is not a blanket term to encompass various bull and mastiff breeds. It's not a term for any dog with short hair and a blocky head. "Pit bull" is a nickname for 1 breed and only 1 breed, the American Pit Bull Terrier.

It's similar to calling a Labrador Retriever a "lab". It doesn't change the breed, it just shortens the name.

I agree,I wasnt insuating any different.

[arcaniagainee]

First of all, the American Staffordshire Terrier and the American Pit Bull Terrier are not the same breed anymore; even though they do share the same dual registry name in the UKC. But these two breeds are so far apart breeding them produces mutts, not APBTs or Am staffs. Breedings of the Am staff and the APBT are called pitterstaffs. A lot of people will argue against this, but look at them. They are no longer the same breeds; even though at one point they were.

And I don't care about your degrees. Still doesn't give you right to spew out BS.

The APBT in now called the American Staffordshire Terirer in the eyes of the AKC.Look at it anyway you want to.And as far as spewing out BS..AKC doesnt recognize the APBT..only UKC does.And yes you can dual register an AKC amstaff ..you cant vise versa.

[Arbinknit]

I never did call you names lol but your last post proved what I was going to say.
Your the type of person who goes around giving advise and acting like a know it all without anything to back it up other then it's what your opinion is or based off what some random person said.
Instead of the veterans here who base their info off of facts and talking to people who have been involved in the breed for years.

And lmao a am staff is not a apbt not is anything else you listed like I already stated mix breeds are NOT pit bulls as unoriginal said its not a blanket term if the dog is mixed it's a mutt.

[CaseyFronczek]

The APBT in now called the American Staffordshire Terirer in the eyes of the AKC.Look at it anyway you want to.And as far as spewing out BS..AKC doesnt recognize the APBT..only UKC does.And yes you can dual register an AKC amstaff ..you cant vise versa.

Does not make them the same breed.

[Jjfotqse]

The APBT in now called the American Staffordshire Terirer in the eyes of the AKC.Look at it anyway you want to.And as far as spewing out BS..AKC doesnt recognize the APBT..only UKC does.And yes you can dual register an AKC amstaff ..you cant vise versa.

No it is not it's still a APBT.
What don't you get that the Am. Staff is a TOTALLY different breed?

And you still havn't given a reason as to why you said mixed breed dogs are Pit bulls..

[JackieC]

Does not make them the same breed.

AKC MEET THE BREEDS®: American Staffordshire Terrier

Courageous and strong, the American Staffordshire Terrier (Am Staff)’s athletic build and intelligence make him ideally suited to many dog sports such as obedience, agility, tracking and conformation. He is often identified by his stocky body and strong, powerful head. The breed’s short coat can be any color, and either solid colored, parti-colored or patched.

A Look Back

Until the early 19th century, the Bulldog used for bullbaiting in England was more active and longer-legged than the breed as we know it today. It is thought that the cross of this older Bulldog and a game terrier breed created the Staffordshire Terrier. Originally called the Bull-and-Terrier Dog, Half and Half or Pit Dog, it became known as the Staffordshire Bull Terrier in England. When accepted for AKC registration in 1936, the name changed to American Staffordshire Terrier to reflect the heavier American type and to distinguish them as separate breeds.

There has been alot of controversy if the breed is one in the same.I can look onto the AKC data base and alot of the same lines in the Amstaff are also in the APBT lines.

[deackatera]

There has been alot of controversy if the breed is one in the same.I can look onto the AKC data base and alot of the same lines in the Amstaff are also in the APBT lines.

Read more: http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthre...#ixzz24CjVxqqV Because they WERE once the same breed but over decades of being bred for different things they evolved into separate breeds...

[Galvanoidum]

You are like arguing with a

[shenacatro]

You are like arguing with a

Pretty much, I'm not sure how you obtained a degree in anything when your so thick headed...

[QwOpHGyZ]

Pretty much, I'm not sure how you obtained a degree in anything when your so thick headed...

No Shit. I have to agree Ali.

[Ygxejxox]

Pretty much, I'm not sure how you obtained a degree in anything when your so thick headed...

First of all I am not arguing,you guys are.Secondly..if you dont like me or my posts then dont read them,stay away from them.Its sortof like when you are in a huge room and there are people there you just dont get along with or even like,even though you are in the same room you stay on the other side or you just dont outright mingle with them.I am not here to be ridiculed,called names or any of the sort.This will be the only time I respond to anything negative toward me,I will only resopnd/conversate with sensible non attacking posters.The End.

[OWDavid]

American Staffordshire Terrier:


American Pit Bull Terrier:



They are far from the same breed. As you can SEE. Just because you can dual register these dogs does not make them the same breed. Hell some people will tell you that The Kennel Clubs have Killed some of the best breeds.

[Speareerfug]

First of all I am not arguing,you guys are.Secondly..if you dont like me or my posts then dont read them,stay away from them.Its sortof like when you are in a huge room and there are people there you just dont get along with or even like,even though you are in the same room you stay on the other side or you just dont outright mingle with them.I am not here to be ridiculed,called names or any of the sort.This will be the only time I respond to anything negative toward me,I will only resopnd/conversate to sensible non attacking posters.The End.

We are not attacking you. You are saying that the Amstaff and the APBT are the same breeds. And they are not. Stop trying to play victim here. It doesn't work.

[eduptultyt]

First of all I am not arguing,you guys are.Secondly..if you dont like me or my posts then dont read them,stay away from them.Its sortof like when you are in a huge room and there are people there you just dont get along with or even like,even though you are in the same room you stay on the other side or you just dont outright mingle with them.I am not here to be ridiculed,called names or any of the sort.This will be the only time I respond to anything negative toward me,I will only resopnd/conversate to sensible non attacking posters.The End.

You were being asked questions and having a normal debate it wasn't until you started ignoring what others were posting did I call you out for being thick.

[kathy]

dakotas.. please just.. go back and read the first post you made and ask yourself how that makes any sense, and how you expect us to understand any part of it..

[Faigokilix]

American Staffordshire Terrier:


American Pit Bull Terrier:



They are far from the same breed. As you can SEE. Just because you can dual register these dogs does not make them the same breed. Hell some people will tell you that The Kennel Clubs have Killed some of the best breeds.

whose APBT is that?

looks to me like UKC standard and thats not my APBT.... these are the real APBT's







i mean if your going to argue on whats what show the real deal the real standard. ADBA/AADR/BFKC etc.......





to get back on subject its just a recessive gene. many REAL APBT's have had blue eyes. im not going as far as saying yours is pure bred though. only because with out a ped you will never know. it is a fault in the show world, but like you said who cares. its not a fault in my book.


dakotas had some point too in his/her 1st post. the APBT is a mixture of dogs if you go WAY back in time when it was created. blu pal, black and tan terrier, bulldog, im sure other terriers and even speculations on greyhounds/whippet blood and who knows what else they added. if it fought good in the pit it was bred. there are speculations on the old ebt blood being infused and bred into the APBT blood etc. HERE IS SOME GOOD HISTORY TO READ http://dogs.bsl-sbt.com/articles/eng...dogs.php?s=&l=.... as far as the mid 1900's though we can say its been a pure bred dog that has branched into other shapes and fashions.

[Gakeincidoniac]

Gotta disagree with ya. But whatever.

>>At ONE POINT all dogs were mutts.

[Prererularl]

I've had a ogs with hearing or sight issues usually have more lack of pigment than in just the eyes, caused by the merle gene. In breeds that don't carry merle, it's a recessive trait that can occur in any dog regardless of coat colour... but it IS most common in dogs with a lot of white. Deafness in the APBT (and boxer, American Bulldog, Bull Terrier and maybe dalmation among others) is typically linked to the piebald gene. Piebald is big white spots/patches. In some dogs these patches are so large the dog is virtually all white. When the white is on the head, particularly on the ears, it can be paired with a defect of the hairlike cilia in the inner ear that respond to the sound waves. So, white headed dogs and white eared dogs aren't always deaf, but they are at an increased risk in these breeds.
I hope I remembered this correctly, it's been quite a while. I've heard the white headed Colby's are not likely to be deaf, but occasionally have blue eyes.

[Edifsdubs]

but i dont think they were thinking the same as i had written lol.. IDK though. blue eyes is nothing to worry about though. it only becomes a problem when people breed for that over and over. then there will be problems associated with the blue eyes

[leijggeds]

[quote] Gotta disagree with ya. But whatever.

>>At ONE POINT all dogs were mutts.