[Trotoleterm]

My wife and I are looking into this breeder- Dog Days Kennel • American Pit Bull Terriers -Do any of you have experience or advice to give about this kennel? His mission is to breed a less dog aggressive Pitbull. He supposedly has a program he calls"Zero Aggression" where he breeds only dogs with little or no game. Can he possibly undo dog aggressive tendencies in his stock within a few generations?
We own another dog so this is a subject we are concerned about. He claims most of his customers have multiple dogs and that he has never had a complaint from any clients regarding dog aggression. Again, any comments would be appreciated.

[clubcughSheet]

don't get a apbt if you have an issue with the potential to be dog aggressive
those dogs aren't apbts anyway
doesn't seem like they health test
only one of all of there dogs has ever earned a title showing so why are they breeding all of those other dogs?
ambully's and amstaffs tend to be less dog aggressive than apbts
$1250.00 for a pup? that is absurd? for a dog who hasn't been health tested and whose parents haven't proven themselves. i wouldn't give them a cent!

[TeksPaisimi]

The term “Pure Ruffian” is used to describe American Staffordshire Terriers with a distinctive pedigree. The registered names and kennel names are not important, but all Pure Ruffian dogs can be traced back to Peggy Harper’s HarWyn kennel, with no outcrosses added since that time. Peggy Harper was not the founder of the Ruffian bloodline, but she took some of the original Ruffian dogs to start her own intensive breeding program, and made the Ruffian line very successful and very popular.

The original founders of the Ruffian bloodline were Clayton Harriman and William Whitaker. Clayton Harriman (Ruffian kennel) and William Whitaker (Jollyscamp kennel) worked together to produce the important foundation dogs of the Ruffian line. Clayton Harriman was the owner of CH The Ruffian (Klump’s Deuce X Klump’s Black Dina), whelped August 28th, 1938. When Mr. Harriman bred CH the Ruffian to Calamity Anne (Schroeder’s Jiggs X Schroeder’s Kay), he produced the three important Champions CH Ruffian Headlight Hal, CH Ruffian Our Teenie, and CH Ruffian Scalawag. Clayton Harriman bred CH Ruffian our Teenie to CH Martin’s Tony (Martin’s Tramp X CH Tuffie of Detroit) and that breeding produced CH Ruffian Walkaway and CH Ruffian Dreadnaught. Dreadnaught was bred to CH Ruffian Headlight Hal which produced two bitches, Puddinpie Blue Smoke and Puddinpie Pepper Duster. William Whitaker bred Puddinpie Pepper Duster to CH Ruffian Walkaway and produced the famed CH Gallant Ruff, which became the foundation dog of E.C. Ringold’s Gallant kennel. Mr. Whitaker bred his bitch, CH Jolly Scamperpuss (the first bitch to win Best of Breed at a National Specialty) to CH Gallant Ruff to produce CH Jollyscamp Blueguard.

In 1947, Peggy Harper (HarWyn) purchased CH Ruffian Headlight Hal from Clayton Harriman. She later bought CH Ruffian Dreadnaught from Mr. Harriman, which became Peggy’s foundation bitch. In 1957, Peggy Harper purchased CH Jollyscamp Blueguard from Mr. Whitaker. Peggy, with the blessing of William Whitaker, added a few touches of Tacoma and X-pert lines, but she line bred heavily and produced a consistent type. Peggy Harper produced one impressive specimen after another, and many other breeders acquired HarWyn dogs for their foundation stock. Her HarWyn dogs proved themselves in the show rings and as producers. Peggy produced many dogs that were not only important to the Ruffian line, but important to the breed. These dogs include CH Sky King of HarWyn, CH Ruffian High Ace of HarWyn, CH Ruffian Harper of HarWyn, CH Ruffian Hercules of HarWyn, and CH Ruffian Red Rock of HarWyn.

So, the term “Pure Ruffian” is actually describing a pedigree that is pure “HarWyn.” For whatever reason though, the term “HarWyn” was never used to describe Peggy Harper’s line, and instead her dogs were commonly referred to as “Ruffian.” Both Peggy and the people who acquired dogs from her used the word “Ruffian” in naming most of her dogs. On that basis, and also the fact that the bloodline has been kept pure with no outcrosses added since the early 1960’s when X-Pert Rowdy Rascal (X-Pert, Ruffian, and Tacoma) was added into the line, it is considered “Pure Ruffian."

Ruffian - Redboys Amstaffs - Breeders of Working American Staffordshire Terriers

[LICraig]

don't get a apbt if you have an issue with the potential to be dog aggressive

I don't know anything about the breeder, but I firmly agree to this.

[MackBranon]

His mission is to breed a less dog aggressive Pitbull. He supposedly has a program he calls"Zero Aggression" where he breeds only dogs with little or no game. Can he possibly undo dog aggressive tendencies in his stock within a few generations?

Read more: http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthre...#ixzz22ubuW1GJ This guy has no business in this breed, fucking retard of a guy.
If you dont want to deal with dog aggression get a different breed.

[sadgpokx]

If this is just to be a family pet ... why not work with a bully breed foster or rescue in your area. Explain your circumstance and considerations/requirements. Look for a young dog that has lived in an environment similar to yours ... a home with other pets and even children. Often the dogs you'll find will already be housebroken and perhaps have other training, as well as have been vetted (all shots, exams etc etc).

Look for a dog that has proven itself in foster and rescue. With a pup, you NEVER know how they will ultimately turn out.

To locate a foster or rescue in your area ... http://pbrc.net/webapp/cgi-bin/orgs_...df7c018b618060

[Zvmwissq]

Personally, if you're looking for a second dog and you have zero desire to own/work with a dog aggressive dog, my suggestion is to not get a bull breed dog of any breed. Stick with breeds that are commonly known to get along with other dogs. You cannot breed over 100 years of genetics out of a breed in a few generations.

[Katrinsitter]

My wife and I are looking into this breeder- Dog Days Kennel • American Pit Bull Terriers -Do any of you have experience or advice to give about this kennel? His mission is to breed a less dog aggressive Pitbull. He supposedly has a program he calls"Zero Aggression" where he breeds only dogs with little or no game. Can he possibly undo dog aggressive tendencies in his stock within a few generations?
We own another dog so this is a subject we are concerned about. He claims most of his customers have multiple dogs and that he has never had a complaint from any clients regarding dog aggression. Again, any comments would be appreciated.

First don't let anyone convince you these are pitbulls,I realize I'm not on game dog and people maybe a little more sensitive to the bully vs APBT thing here but I think this is worth pointing out.Second just look at the "our pedigree" page,do you notice that they have two dead dogs,one had been with them since 2004 the other was born in 2005,they didn't live long for some reason.Wonder what health issues they could have? Third as a APBT breeder myself(don't breed many but a few),it annoys me to death to see a supposed APBT breeder trying to breed out dog aggression.Not just breeding a cur and getting crap dogs by accident but actually doing it on purpose.That's the equivalent of a border collie breeder that breeds out the herding instinct.I'm not ashamed to say when I breed a dog,I intentionally breed the baddest,most fired up dogs I can.The way it's supposed to be.I understand,lots of people don't want and maybe can't handle a dog aggressive dog,but if that's the case why do they want to get a APBT in the first place.Everyone knows what they are,why get one if you don't like what they are.Get something that fits your situation not trying to alter a breed to fit.It ruins the breed.Completely screws it up to the point it's not even the same dog.I hope you can find you the perfect dog for you,but breeders like this just are a thorn in the side of the APBT.

[Liskaspexia]

I also like how they have one "champion" and all but one ribbon showed are 3rd and 4th place..and he is one ugly ass dog to boot.
They use one stud on most of their bitches (how funny that one dog can compliment all the other bitches faults).
They don't have any pictures of their breeding stock.
They dont have the above yet they have a page dedicated to available puppies.

I have read proclamations to this in some Pit Bull chat forums. Forums that are thinly veiled meeting places for dog fighters and those that fancy them.

Read more: http://www.dogdayskennel.com/Mission.htm#ixzz22vAV5JZW Wanna bet she's talking about here or game dog..

There have been numerous times that a prospective client has inquired about one of my puppies but found the price to be an obstacle. These are people that want to include a dog or puppy in their families. These are people that have kindness of heart and responsible character, just not the means to acquire one of my dogs. These are people that can best provide what a shelter dog desperately needs. A compassionate friend and a loving home.

Read more: http://www.dogdayskennel.com/Mission.htm#ixzz22vB8ZzJp So in other words if you can't fork up the money you aren't good enough for one of her pups.

This person is a complete fucking dumb ass

[xanonlinexan]

I figured as much.......I just noticed on his face book page on the June 30 entry he talks about deleting comments against his kennel from a "client". This breeders name is Tony Jimenez-he also claims to have a BA in animal husbandry.LOL

[BJEugene]

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[Seilehogshell]

Is this the kennel we're not supposed to talk about? I guess Vicki would've said so.

[gardenerextraordinaire]

Is this the kennel we're not supposed to talk about? I guess Vicki would've said so.

I also noticed this when I forum searched the kennel name...

[Siliespiriulk]

WHy are we not supposed to talk about it? Are we censored from discussing breeders?

[FsQGF1Mp]

I see what you mean....that in itself is a real red flag. He can't seem to defend himself or his practices.

[Vznvtthq]

My wife and I are looking into this breeder- Dog Days Kennel • American Pit Bull Terriers -Do any of you have experience or advice to give about this kennel? His mission is to breed a less dog aggressive Pitbull. He supposedly has a program he calls"Zero Aggression" where he breeds only dogs with little or no game. Can he possibly undo dog aggressive tendencies in his stock within a few generations?
We own another dog so this is a subject we are concerned about. He claims most of his customers have multiple dogs and that he has never had a complaint from any clients regarding dog aggression. Again, any comments would be appreciated.

My wife and I are looking into this breeder- Dog Days Kennel • American Pit Bull Terriers -Do any of you have experience or advice to give about this kennel? His mission is to breed a less dog aggressive Pitbull. He supposedly has a program he calls"Zero Aggression" where he breeds only dogs with little or no game. Can he possibly undo dog aggressive tendencies in his stock within a few generations?
We own another dog so this is a subject we are concerned about. He claims most of his customers have multiple dogs and that he has never had a complaint from any clients regarding dog aggression. Again, any comments would be appreciated.

There is so much wrong with that site I don't even know where to start. If your looking for an APBT that kennel is not breeding them. The APBT was bred for gameness without it there is no APBT. Dog Aggression is not the same thing as Gameness but it's another trait that was bred into the APBT and if it's not something you care to deal with than you don't want to own an APBT. The kennel claiming it's fame to Zero Aggression is full of shit using clever wording and marketing to deceive people who don't know any better. That site is offensive to any APBT owner or Game Dog Fancier. The kennel is no better than your average craigslist peddler they just use the power of the internet to peddle their crap if you are going to give your money to a peddler you would be better off giving it to someone on craigslist you will save yourself at least 1,000 for the same quality of dog or just adopt a mutt from a shelter at least you can save one from being put down. In conclusion What do I think of this kennel? I think they are delusional they have no idea what they are breeding and should get out the dogs ASAP!

[mireOpekrhype]

[quote]I also like how they have one "champion" and all but one ribbon showed are 3rd and 4th place..and he is one ugly ass dog to boot.
They use one stud on most of their bitches (how funny that one dog can compliment all the other bitches faults).
They don't have any pictures of their breeding stock.
They dont have the above yet they have a page dedicated to available puppies.

Wanna bet she's talking about here or game dog..

So in other words if you can't fork up the money you aren't good enough for one of her pups.

This person is a complete fucking dumb ass

[gimffnfabaykal]

Yeah,didn't even see about the APBT forums,lol and they're a puppy peddler in the worst way.What makes their dogs any more expensive than any Craigslist mutt to care for?What makes Dog Day Kennels special?

This shit cracked me up!
Many of the puppies we offer are a part of a project to produce a conformation correct, low to no aggression family of dogs. A term we call ZeroAggression
™

Our own NitroBlue™ bloodline is a ZeroAggression™ line of dogs.

We specialize in breeding the original athletic style American Pit Bull Terrier
.

[Sx1qBli0]

Looking at that site blew so much smoke up my arse, that I will be farting for the next decade...

[BigMovies]

Dog aggression is common in the bully breed dogs and in terriers. If you want to avoid DA you can try getting an adult rescue that is fully mature and not DA or go with a breed outside the bull and terrier types. ANY individual of any breed can be DA, but the chances are much higher with the bull dogs and the terriers.

Now, I have 4 dogs. 2 of them are APBT, one an American Bulldog and the last a Basset Hound. I have been lucky in that all of my dogs get along with each other, but 3 of them do not get along with strange dogs. I'm ok with that as it was something I knew was a possibility. I also knew there was a possibility one or more of my dogs would become totally DA and I would need to crate and rotate or separate using another method. Not a big deal wo me as I think owning the breed is worth it.

As far as that kennel...No. I wouldn't purchase from them is they were selling for $50. Heck, I purchased one of my APBT, my AB, and my Basset from breeders who worked and proved their dogs worth breeding and didn't pay over $400 for any single one of them. The kennel you linked seems to be a basic BYB in it for the $$.