[WhonyGataxott]

Yeah suffice to say people suck. Bigtime!

[Petrushkaukrop]

I C&R Snow and Jud. Not because they fight or anything; but because its nice to actually give attention to one attention hog at a time!!! LOL! They do get supervised time to play together. But mostly after feeding time; I'll let Jud out and give him some loving and then put him up and give Snow some loving and time to her self with us and then I will let them both out. And they are never left out if Hubby and I cannot watch them. Meaning if we go some place or outside; dogs get put up unless I'm walking them or taking them with us.

[DrBrightonone]

It's straight up disgusting how little common sense people have.

And yes, crate and rotate is a pain in the ass. I have my 4 dogs, and my DA foster (who's also in heat, bleh!).

Do I like C&Ring them all day? Not really.

Am I going to let them run amok together and turn my house into a slaughter house? No.

I also don't like huge vet bills, breaking up dog fights, being redirected on, cleaning up blood, frantic late night drives to the E vet etc. So I suck it up and crate and rotate.

Sheebs has a big crate in the computer room, full of toys, a big bed, food and water, and her own fan. When it gets too hot back there, I move all that into the living room so she can be in the AC. When she's out and about around the house, 2 dogs go in my room, and 2 dogs get crated in the kitchen.

Considering she spent her whole life living outside, that bitch has got it made now.

[maclaudser]

Damn you Cliff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will say it again! You are NOT the general public! You actually seem to have dog smarts and a brain.
I trust you would not let your dogs fight over the course of a couple of years till one is dead.

Most people out in the world are NOT SMART and not DOG smart! They won't afford a crate so they sure won't build a kennel. Chain spots or tethering is WAYYYYYY bad in their eyes(people seem to like zip lines tho, odd. But you STILL have to buy stuff and put it up and it will ruin the lawn). Most people would not give a dog their own room
So what you ~can~ do with your dogs, the general public ~won't~ do.

I was just trying to say sometimes you can tell people, "They don't have to be in a crate! You can put them in different bedrooms." And it softens their idea of "crate and rotate." But most of the times they'll still say, "But that's too much WORK!"

[OnerePeepsy]

We C&R'd our poodle with our foster staffy for a bit there. Intact female poodle did not like recently spayed 6yo staffy on her turf. And she had every right to be the bitch she is, but it wasn't going to end in a dog fight. After a couple weeks they were ok, the staffy kept to herself and the poodle didn't force the issue. But hey, it's not just bully breeds that can need C&R; bitches be bitches!

[wmtravelservice]

Some people are idiots. I don't mind separating dogs when I'm not home or can't supervise, but I personally don't care to have dogs that can't be together when I'm home and with them. Or can't all go in the car together, etc. But I have crate and rotated with foster dogs. I'm not going let dogs just fight. It is too costly and stressful!

We did crate and rotate for almost a year with my foster Dogo, Dexter and then I got a break and we did again with my next foster Dogo, Neva for almost a year. Dexter could be with all female dogs, but no other males. After months of working with her, Neva could be with a few of my male dogs under very strict supervision, but that as far as we could get with her. She went to a home as an only pet and he as content having one and she was like having 10! But even that, we had a slip up with each one and the fights were very nasty. Not something I would like to go thru again! Heck I still have a hole in my bedroom door from Dexter and Casper and I'm missing a cabinet door in the kitchen that they crashed into! Dex escaped his crate. By the time he left that crate had more padlocks than lockers in a highschool!

[Pypeassesty]

So we have clients at the vets office who own three dogs, apbt, a boxer, and a small mutt dog, Any way the boxer and the apbt had a lot of fights, once the entire boxers chest was torn up, another fight the pit bull needed like 20 drains put in her head, and needless to say after about 25 visits for dog fights the pit bull tore the boxer up so bad, he was bleeding so much the only thing we could do for him was put him down...

What's sad is i suggested keeping the dogs separate to her, and i also told her to look into a break stick... But people don't like to listen to me for some reason.

These dogs were failed by more than their owner., The people who work in the vets office after more than one incident involving this clients dogs severely injuring each other, should have, and in my opinion were morally and professionally obligated to report this client to animal control. It is obvious that the dogs are not being properly cared for and essentially abused if they are allowed to continually fight, injure and eventually kill each other. Any vet treating dogs for fighting on numerous occasions who does not report it, is also as negligent as the owner. Christ, 25 visits and nobody did anything except keep accepting the owners money. I would not be proud to be working there.

[denyffishh]

I guess for a lot of us it's so darn routine.

I only rotate at feeding and when working with one, and not the other. Otherwise though, they're ALWAYS crated if I am not inside the house. Even if it's for 5 minutes. I don't even think about it. It's so routine my purse and flip flops are ON TOP of my crates LOL

[Tauntenue]

I agree with the c/r method. I had a full blooded APBT and a pit/ Akita mix. We crated both while we were at work. After 3 years we stopped. And left them both out. The full blood APBT was a puppy when we got her and the mix was about 10. So it was a male/ female situation. After we stopped crating them, we did not have one bad situation. They got along just fine. It's prob rare that these kinds of relationships happen. I'm by no means suggesting you NOT crate one or both of the dogs. I guess I'm just happy to say that it is possible for them to exist alone, without killing each other. Maybe I was just lucky.

[ñàéäèíã]

These dogs were failed by more than their owner., The people who work in the vets office after more than one incident involving this clients dogs severely injuring each other, should have, and in my opinion were morally and professionally obligated to report this client to animal control. It is obvious that the dogs are not being properly cared for and essentially abused if they are allowed to continually fight, injure and eventually kill each other. Any vet treating dogs for fighting on numerous occasions who does not report it, is also as negligent as the owner. Christ, 25 visits and nobody did anything except keep accepting the owners money. I would not be proud to be working there.

I'd normally agree, but I don't think AC would consider this abuse. At least not where I live. We used to have a neighbor that had a couple APBT and a couple mutts, one large and one small. There were multiple fights in the backyard and a few vet trips as a result. Another former neighbor, sick of the horrible noises of the fights and scared by the blood on the ground and the dogs, called AC. AC came out, asked what happened, got told the dogs fought, were showed records of the dogs being taken to the vet and then they left. According to AC, as long as the dogs have food, water, vet care, and the dogs aren't at large, there is nothing wrong. Nevermind that the dogs could have been prevented from fighting in the first place by some common sense and some kind of reliable system of separation.

They key there is vet care. The law would have allowed the confiscation of the dogs and charging the owner if the owner didn't take the dogs to the vet, but because they took the dogs in there was no cause (legally) to remove them.

[Petrushkaukrop]

I'd normally agree, but I don't think AC would consider this abuse. At least not where I live. We used to have a neighbor that had a couple APBT and a couple mutts, one large and one small. There were multiple fights in the backyard and a few vet trips as a result. Another former neighbor, sick of the horrible noises of the fights and scared by the blood on the ground and the dogs, called AC. AC came out, asked what happened, got told the dogs fought, were showed records of the dogs being taken to the vet and then they left. According to AC, as long as the dogs have food, water, vet care, and the dogs aren't at large, there is nothing wrong. Nevermind that the dogs could have been prevented from fighting in the first place by some common sense and some kind of reliable system of separation.

They key there is vet care. The law would have allowed the confiscation of the dogs and charging the owner if the owner didn't take the dogs to the vet, but because they took the dogs in there was no cause (legally) to remove them.

:/ They why don't they just legalize dog fighting again since they don't see an issue with it as long as the dogs get vet care? That makes no sense! Its inhumane to allow these dogs to continuously get into fights over and over again. I don't care how many times you take the dogs to the vet. They might as well be holding a private fighting ring in the back hard. AC wouldn't touch them; their dogs get vet care . There are so many loop holes in laws its not funny.

[Pypeassesty]

Maybe the vet should have just reported the owner for dog fighting. I mean 25 visits, critical injuries,totally torn up chest, 20 drains in the head. At some point just call the police and let them know the owner has been fighting their dogs. End of discussion. Certainly a call to the police would have if nothing else put the owner on guard. It is not the place of the vet to worry about what AC will or will not do. Just like it was not Joe Paterno's place to decide what the authorities were going to or not going to do. He had an moral and legal obligation to report it at the very least.

This vet's office is disgraceful for their lack of action in the obvious face of animal cruelty. Whether or not the authorities took action, the vet did not even attempt to have the dogs removed form the owner and why not? Money was being made fixing up these dogs. I believe the vet's office is as responsible for the eventual death of the dog as the owner was by their inaction. They did not try and seemed willing enough to look the other way. Now the OP has plenty to say when it is too late. Please next time do something when there are this many warning signs.

What a compassionate vet. Any vet who could allow this to happen couldn't possibly care enough to be a good one. How many light bulbs do you have to remove from some kids ass, before you stop believing the parents story about how the kid keeps accidentally sitting on them?

[vernotixas]

I agree with the c/r method. I had a full blooded APBT and a pit/ Akita mix. We crated both while we were at work. After 3 years we stopped. And left them both out. The full blood APBT was a puppy when we got her and the mix was about 10. So it was a male/ female situation. After we stopped crating them, we did not have one bad situation. They got along just fine. It's prob rare that these kinds of relationships happen. I'm by no means suggesting you NOT crate one or both of the dogs. I guess I'm just happy to say that it is possible for them to exist alone, without killing each other. Maybe I was just lucky.

When it comes to APBTs, it is both better and responsible to err on the side of caution, and you were just lucky. Why risk coming home to a dead dog when they can just be separated?

[Petrushkaukrop]

Maybe the vet should have just reported the owner for dog fighting. I mean 25 visits, critical injuries,totally torn up chest, 20 drains in the head. At some point just call the police and let them know the owner has been fighting their dogs. End of discussion. Certainly a call to the police would have if nothing else put the owner on guard. It is not the place of the vet to worry about what AC will or will not do. Just like it was not Joe Paterno's place to decide what the authorities were going to or not going to do. He had an moral and legal obligation to report it at the very least.

This vet's office is disgraceful for their lack of action in the obvious face of animal cruelty. Whether or not the authorities took action, the vet did not even attempt to have the dogs removed form the owner and why not? Money was being made fixing up these dogs. I believe the vet's office is as responsible for the eventual death of the dog as the owner was by their inaction. They did not try and seemed willing enough to look the other way. Now the OP has plenty to say when it is too late. Please next time do something when there are this many warning signs.

What a compassionate vet. Any vet who could allow this to happen couldn't possibly care enough to be a good one. How many light bulbs do you have to remove from some kids ass, before you stop believing the parents story about how the kid keeps accidentally sitting on them?

agreed

[MineOffedOvex]

Maybe the vet should have just reported the owner for dog fighting. I mean 25 visits, critical injuries,totally torn up chest, 20 drains in the head. At some point just call the police and let them know the owner has been fighting their dogs. End of discussion. Certainly a call to the police would have if nothing else put the owner on guard. It is not the place of the vet to worry about what AC will or will not do. Just like it was not Joe Paterno's place to decide what the authorities were going to or not going to do. He had an moral and legal obligation to report it at the very least.

This vet's office is disgraceful for their lack of action in the obvious face of animal cruelty. Whether or not the authorities took action, the vet did not even attempt to have the dogs removed form the owner and why not? Money was being made fixing up these dogs. I believe the vet's office is as responsible for the eventual death of the dog as the owner was by their inaction. They did not try and seemed willing enough to look the other way. Now the OP has plenty to say when it is too late. Please next time do something when there are this many warning signs.

What a compassionate vet. Any vet who could allow this to happen couldn't possibly care enough to be a good one. How many light bulbs do you have to remove from some kids ass, before you stop believing the parents story about how the kid keeps accidentally sitting on them?

A.C. had been called on them after the first few incidents, i'm sorry i tend not to be extremely detailed about everything when i make posts and i'm generally just straight and to the point unless i feel the need to be more specific, and my point making this post was that you should crate and rotate. But anyway one of the vets had called just because she "suspected" possible dog fighting, but the A.C. said there was no evidence to support that they had participated in organized dog fighting, and that accidental fights are not a crime and said to use that people who fight dogs don't let them be around each other when not a fight.Also apparantly, "fighting dogs don't go to vets",Not a lot is done for the protection of dogs where i live.

I don't believe she was actually "fighting" dogs, i do believe she was just too dumb or for some reason couldn't grasp the idea of seperating her dog aggressive dogs, the first few incidents weren't really bad wounds, it wasn't until recently that it had gotten more serious, we suggested she rehome her dogs, but she wouldn't do that.


But even if a vet hadn't called a.c. in my opinion, the blame is still all her own, those are her dogs, and it's her job to keep them safe. They are her responsibilities, and in my opinion she has more of an obligation to her dogs.


Now i won't say i agree withthe vets i work for 100% of the time, and i'd like to have another job at a different office in the future.But i do enjoy working at the clinic.And they really do work hard to try for their patients, they may not know that much when it comes to what they should be fed, or how to train dogs, but they wouldn't just let an animal suffer if they could do something about it.

There was a guy who had a beagle in and the dog had an ulcer in it's eye, and as a home remedy he poured vasaline in the eye, along with a variety of other things without calling us or taking the dog to the vet first,the dogs eye was so badly injured the only option would be to remove the eye, so he wanted us to put the dog down. One of the vets i work for begged him to hand over the dog, and he REALLY didn't want to for some reason, but eventually she gave in.

They've helped more than enough animlas whose owners weren't able to pay up front or within the next few days for the sake of the animals, they've rescued and rehomed more than enough lovely dog and cats whose owner had abandoned them or simply didn't care for them properly, when they could have (understanably) just put the animals down.

and you can bet if they suspect animal abuse they will try to help the animal.

[MineOffedOvex]

Perhaps i should learn to detail all of my posts so i would not lead people to assume things

[comprar-espana]

Then where would get our fun at!!????

[Sertvfdnhgjk]

Perhaps i should learn to detail all of my posts so i would not lead people to assume things

If you don't include it, it's a given that things will always be assumed.

[Ccddfergt]

Negligence that could have been majorly avoided...people are idiots. Guarantee the neighbors/family she tells will just assume the APBT is aggressive and mean without considering the owner is irresponsible and stupid.

[MineOffedOvex]

If you don't include it, it's a given that things will always be assumed.

word.