[IodinkBoilk]

So browsing through Hoobly Free Classifieds , I come across a Posting "Ckc Trie-Blue-Merle Female"

My first though was "This guy posted the wrong breed in the APBT section; probably by accident"

So I clicked, just out of Curiosity and Apparently he didn't. There was a beautiful Blue Tri Merle Female. My only concern was the $1,000 price tag. If the dog had an outstanding pedigree and was sired/Dam-ed by a champion of a better registry than CKC and was registered with something different than CKC, I might have considered, but It has been on my mind. I have never seen a Blue Tri Merle. Now Most high dollar registries (UKC, ADBA, ABKC, etc.) do not recognize Merle as a Pit Bull Color, And I googled images looking for a Merle Tri Pit Bull but No luck, just aussies, chihuahuas, and other breeds.



There is a Pic Of the dog he is trying to sell. She looks pretty Pitty to me, but there are cases where the other breed can be hidden (Cropped ears could have been a give away; The larger feet, normally in my experience, the Pit has a smaller more bunched up foot. The rump looks too high, even for a game bred as well as a long body and blue eyes)

My Question: Is this a real color of the breed, or is it, Like the Merle alone, considered a Cross or Defect? The man said it is rare, Is this just to try to get his $1,000?

*Please Don't Bash on me for not knowing this, It's just my mind boggled*

[sPncEjF7]

There is a mix in there. Ill let the knowledgeable ones tell you all the smart stuff

[SergeyMaikov]

American Pit Bull Terrier Network Merle and the Pit Bull

It is not a purebred. Possible Catahoula cross.

[IodinkBoilk]

That is also what i thought Tanktastic, Because I have never seen that color at all ever in a pit bull.
Thanks for the help, Just wanted to make sure I was right in think it was not a Pure bred Pit Bull.

[LindaSmithXV]

Merle is possible in a pit bull. But you can look at that dog and tell it has been mixed with other breeds. I don't see catahoula but there is no telling what they used. I'd stear clear of who ever bred that dog.

[SergeyMaikov]

Maybe it is "pure". Highly unlikely though. Merle coloring is linked to genetic health defects and merle colored dogs should be culled from the gene pool (spayed/neutered). In the UKC and the ADBA it is an automatic disqualification.
United Kennel Club: American Pit Bull Terrier (Revised November 1, 2008)
American Dog Breeders Association

Even if it is a "purebred" APBT I wouldn't spend $1,000 on something that is just pet quality with possible health defects.

[jurhoonee]

stay away from rare colors in any breed..peddlers talk to get your money..! wouldnt give him 50 bucks for that dog.

[avaiguite]

Sure is a lovely dog, not for 1,000 dollars but lovely none the less

[Natashasuw]

What a gorgeous bitch! I wouldn't pay $1,000 for most any dog, and certainly not one who isn't to breed standard and only registered with a crap registry (if you're talking Continental KC, not Canadian KC). And yes, whoever is selling her is most definitely trying to market off having a "RARE!" coloured dog. Yes, the dog is pretty... but "pretty" isn't what one should base their choice for a dog on.

[singleGirl]

I like her regardless of what she is but wouldn't pay that much for her

[DariushPetresku]

"Can/Could merle be an APBT pattern?" is like asking...
-"Are APBTs and AmStaffs the same breed?",
-"What do you think about chaining?",
-"What do you think about shock collars?", etc.

You will have numerous different opinions on these topics and the answers will go either way.

But one thing most of us can agree on is that no color or pattern is 'rare' and/or more expensive than any other color or pattern.
Some colors or patterns are harder to find than others, more wanted than others or just don't belong in the breed to begin with.... but aren't are considered 'rare' by breed enthusiast because we know that 'rare' is a scheme some people use to sell their animals for WAY TOO MUCH...

[JAMES PIETERSE]

"Can/Could merle be an APBT pattern?" is like asking...
-"Are APBTs and AmStaffs the same breed?",
-"What do you think about chaining?",
-"What do you think about shock collars?", etc.

You will have numerous different opinions on these topics and the answers will go either way.

But one thing most of us can agree on is that no color or pattern is 'rare' and/or more expensive than any other color or pattern.
Some colors or patterns are harder to find than others, more wanted than others or just don't belong in the breed to begin with.... but aren't are considered 'rare' by breed enthusiast because we know that 'rare' is a scheme some people use to sell their animals for WAY TOO MUCH...

Good post..

Pretty much opened up Pandora's box with this thread. You'll get lots of opinions and "facts" where everyone can site sources and it's up to you to figure out what you want to believe.

[whimpykid]

Good post..

Pretty much opened up Pandora's box with this thread. You'll get lots of opinions and "facts" where everyone can site sources and it's up to you to figure out what you want to believe.

^ this. do your own research. dont let someone think for you.

[IodinkBoilk]

I pretty much new the "rare" part was to get money. I guess I should have said "Is it harder to find?" But I knew merle was unaccepted, I have had more people than I can count on my hands and toes combined ask me about Merle Pit Bulls.

And I know Pit Bulls and Staffs arent the same despite what most breeders in my area says, hence why my dogs are better and in higher demand, but I wouldn't sell my dogs to these people, because they want to make a buck with no knowlage or effort.

Yes I also think she is pretty but pretty much any.. ANY animal is beautiful to me, but I have a different prspective than most which is slightly religious which i doubt any of us wish to get into, But I agree, $1,000 is waaay to much for an unacceptable dog. I go by UKC standards 90% of the time and ADBA the other 10% unless of course I look at Bullies and AMstaffs, Which I love all three breeds.

Teal: Yes I was speaking of Con. Kennel Club. I have had dogs in my life that I've had to register with that due to breeders being irresponsible with the papers giving me no hope even in court, and from what I have learned with CKC is thus, I get more "Dap" about having CKC papers than I would if I had an unregistered dog. I don't agree with much of CKC due to their lack of Restrictions to the breed standards; They accept many colors of which ADBA and UKC do not, they accept confirmation flaws, the list goes on; But the dogs are my babies, and I'm not going to sell them because they do not have papers, and what papers they do, aren't really considered acceptable papers due to, as stated above, lack of restriction on breed standards.

Regardless, I understand that The Color is Unaccepted, But It was just a curiosity. I have been breeding dogs for some time, and I have always steered clear of postings with "Rare" in it, or with puppies that do not possess correct standards. I also have always steered clear of Merle coloring or people who call the color different than what it is supposed to be with the exception of Tri Colored (Supposed to be called By the dominant Color and tan w/ or w/o white markings)

However, I thank everyone for the help, Yes she is pretty, No I was not considering buying her due to my knowledge of the Color. I was just reassuring myself pretty much (:

[deandrecooke]

wow! thats a very rare one.................... jump on it and give him all your money.....................its the best looking APBT i have ever seen SIKE! LOL

[Natashasuw]

I pretty much new the "rare" part was to get money. I guess I should have said "Is it harder to find?" But I knew merle was unaccepted, I have had more people than I can count on my hands and toes combined ask me about Merle Pit Bulls.

And I know Pit Bulls and Staffs arent the same despite what most breeders in my area says, hence why my dogs are better and in higher demand, but I wouldn't sell my dogs to these people, because they want to make a buck with no knowlage or effort.

Yes I also think she is pretty but pretty much any.. ANY animal is beautiful to me, but I have a different prspective than most which is slightly religious which i doubt any of us wish to get into, But I agree, $1,000 is waaay to much for an unacceptable dog. I go by UKC standards 90% of the time and ADBA the other 10% unless of course I look at Bullies and AMstaffs, Which I love all three breeds.

Teal: Yes I was speaking of Con. Kennel Club. I have had dogs in my life that I've had to register with that due to breeders being irresponsible with the papers giving me no hope even in court, and from what I have learned with CKC is thus, I get more "Dap" about having CKC papers than I would if I had an unregistered dog. I don't agree with much of CKC due to their lack of Restrictions to the breed standards; They accept many colors of which ADBA and UKC do not, they accept confirmation flaws, the list goes on; But the dogs are my babies, and I'm not going to sell them because they do not have papers, and what papers they do, aren't really considered acceptable papers due to, as stated above, lack of restriction on breed standards.

Regardless, I understand that The Color is Unaccepted, But It was just a curiosity. I have been breeding dogs for some time, and I have always steered clear of postings with "Rare" in it, or with puppies that do not possess correct standards. I also have always steered clear of Merle coloring or people who call the color different than what it is supposed to be with the exception of Tri Colored (Supposed to be called By the dominant Color and tan w/ or w/o white markings)

However, I thank everyone for the help, Yes she is pretty, No I was not considering buying her due to my knowledge of the Color. I was just reassuring myself pretty much (:

And what exactly did you get out of "having" to register your dogs with CKC because they came from BYBs who didn't have papers? Did you incorporate those dogs into your "breeding" ?

[ATTILAGLIC]

That dog's coat looks longer or rough in places, not the short smooth coat you'd expect to see.

[Yb4bulVR]

And what exactly did you get out of "having" to register your dogs with CKC because they came from BYBs who didn't have papers? Did you incorporate those dogs into your "breeding" ?

What kind of breeder is shopping for dogs on hoobly anyways? And what kind would have considered a merle byb dog "if she had better papers".

[ferelrossi]

What kind of breeder is shopping for dogs on hoobly anyways? And what kind would have considered a merle byb dog "if she had better papers".

The kind whose website states, "All males over the age of 12 months old are open for Studding" and "Each Female that we breed gets 1-2 heat cycles between breeds just to give them a break. Our Females usually have 3-5 litters then they will be fixed & retired?" And half of their dogs are registered ConKC? Well...except for this gem...

[whimpykid]

you forgot the part where the OP thinks UKC doesnt accept dogs with flaws, and somehow having a printed piece of paper with the whole lineage listed as hung or unknown is more acceptable.