[karaburatoreror]

Here...its not the best pic..but her skin tone shows.

Guitar Ribs! Lol


-Gerry

[vqIo7X2U]

LOL..that was the husband...he "hates" dogs *rolls eyes*

[CicyHannyCeli]

Onyx is seal and white with a black nose.
She is out of a red and white, red nosed sire with a fawn and white (?), black nosed dam (pictured below).


Rocko is white w/seal blue (and lighter blue) spots and a seal blue nose.
He is out of a white w/red spotted sire (can't remember if his nose was red or black.. I think it was black) and a blue and white, blue nosed dam (pictured below).
Here are pics of Rocko http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthre...ur-male-Rocko!
He came out of a litter of all blue and white pups or red and white pups.


And here's a pic I came across of Onyx when she was prego that shows her seal coat a little better than the one's I posted in that thread.


Together Onyx and Rocko had a very diverse colored litter of pups.

There were:
-3 seal blue/wht, seal blue noses (one of these pups passed away)
-1 blck/wht, black nose (the darkest one all the way to the left in the pic)
-1 red/wht, red nose
-1 wht/blue fawn spots (not sure on nose because this one passed away)
-1 for sure blue fawn/wht, seal blue nose (the lighter one all the way to the left in the pic... the other two light one's are the questionable pups mentioned below)
-2 that are possible fawn/whts or lighter blue fawn/whts (we couldn't tell because we weren't and still aren't very good with the light 'tan' colors and the differences).

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And also... that red pup was very pretty... he had what appeared to have been blue skin with the red coat. It was quite beautiful. He's the only pup we don't have any pics older than 7wks old though

[maysubers]

Some people on here think banes a seal colored, if u want i can get pictures or tell you his belly color an everything, he's not purebred his dad am. Bulldog all white, mom pit black with white chest she didn't appear seal though

All of banes pictures are on my profile

[Frodogzzz]

She has brown through out her body, mainly face, shoulders, butt and legs, not so much down the flat part of her back, but she mainly looks black unless the sunlight it hitting her and then you can see the brown.

Diff pics, diff times, sometimes she looks black, then sometimes you can see the brown. It is most prominent on her face. I did buy black enhancing shampoo and it makes her blacker! She keeps the brown year round though. At first, I thought it was dead hair that needed to shed, but it isn't.

[TeemFilla]

Rocko is white w/seal blue (and lighter blue) spots and a seal blue nose.
He is out of a white w/red spotted sire (can't remember if his nose was red or black.. I think it was black) and a blue and white, blue nosed dam (pictured below).
Here are pics of Rocko http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthre...ur-male-Rocko!
He came out of a litter of all blue and white pups or red and white pups.

@ Blaz N' Pits : so Rock is just a very dark blue? Along with his other littermates? The light makes them look Black. And this is his sire and dam pictured above?

@ destinee20 : thank you, I'll look at those photos.


@ Tiffany3483 : thank you. I love that black enhancing shampoo! It does wonders on the horses.


I also wanted to give you guys a little insight as to why I do this. What we learn from one mammal species, we try and apply to another. Some species of mammals have been studied longer then others, Rodents is what started it, then there was a demand from Live Stock and Show Animal owners. Pretty much any domestic breed now has some scientist or team of scientists researching their color in a lab some where because there are human counterparts which are interested in it, there for there is funding for it. I'm not sure how it is in dog showing, but in horse shows certain types of events favor specific colors or patterns. To date I believe, there has been no identification of white patterns in dogs. Some researchers believe there are multiple genes responsible, and some believe there is just one. In 2000 we knew that mutations in the genes for the endothelin B receptor (EDNRB) and c-Kit (KIT) were currently responsible for white patterns in horses. At the time these genes causes Frame Overo (EDNRB) and Tobiano (KIT). Researchers at UC Davis cross bred a Newfoundland and a Boarder Collie to rule out if these mutations were responsible for white pattern. The results were interesting, but the conclusion was they were not responsible for white seen in the Boarder Collie. Now in 2012, we have so many more white pattern genes seen in the horse: 4 genes for Splashed White, Roan (KIT), Sabino 1 (KIT), and 12+ Dominate White Mutations (KIT). It turns out that KIT is highly susceptible to mutating. Since the 90's it had been known that Splashed White horses had a tendency to be deaf, and it ran in some lines (Gowers book). With the Splashed White genes (S1, S2, S3, S4) being discovered this year, with more to be identified, some of the horses which were deaf tested positive for S2 and S3. The point being, is what we learn in the horse can also be applied to the dog and tested to see if they share similar genes. Like wise, the Dominate Black gene in Dogs, was once applied and believed to be in horses until a few years later they developed a test for Seal Brown (At) in horses.

[CicyHannyCeli]

Yes, that's his sire and dam.

And this is the 1st litter they had. Rocko is the one sitting up in the middle.
You can easily see in the pic that Rocko and his sibling next to him have dark blue spots... the other pups were also this same dark blue. To even be able to tell Rocko's spots are a dark blue you need to either have him in the right light or next to a black dog.


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And because it hasn't yet been mentioned....
What about proper nutrition and the dogs diet?
Doesn't that play a big role in the color of a dogs coat?
I've read so many times that once people have switched their dogs to a better quality food or raw that they could tell a major difference in their dogs coat, including the color, and the people with 'black' dogs notice them looking even blacker.
Idk, just a thought.

[Xutrsavf]

he's seal



his nose is black, pads are black, and his skin is pink/white

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this one shows it better



a lot of "black" dogs are actually seal.. heck, a lot of animals that appear black are usually seal.. cats, horses, dogs,...

[vqIo7X2U]

He is the EXACT tone of slayer....so blackish you wouldn't know

[bashansasasasa]

My seal looks just like Tiffs and Ganjas dogs.

I do not believe the seal color is from poor food. When Boo was dumped here, she was feeding on Beneful puppy. She was actually a dull black then. She was just at 11 months. I feed Wilderness and she has completely blown out her old coat and the new coat is amazing. Impossible to photograph, but super shiney and a rich seal.

[CicyHannyCeli]

My seal looks just like Tiffs and Ganjas dogs.

I do not believe the seal color is from poor food. When Boo was dumped here, she was feeding on Beneful puppy. She was actually a dull black then. She was just at 11 months. I feed Wilderness and she has completely blown out her old coat and the new coat is amazing. Impossible to photograph, but super shiney and a rich seal.

Oh I didn't mean that all seal coated animals appear seal because they must be on a crappy diet....
I just meant that nutrition has to play some sort of role, right?
Maybe some actually black animals could appear seal or brown because of lack of nutrition or they're simply on a poor diet.... that sort of scenario.

[bashansasasasa]

sunburn will give you a "seal" looking coat too, and horrid coat conditions can make blacck fade too. But My dog is indoors, and her coat is amazing.

[Lypepuddyu]

I've wondered if Ripley would be considered a seal. She isn't a true black like my Dobes, Dane, Greyhounds. She has a lot of brown highlights I call them.

This looks brindle to me -- very heavily-brindled brindle.Her black part is too black to be seal.I've had dogs like this too where there are only a few specks of the base coat coming through the heavy brindling.Carla

[bashansasasasa]

This pic shows her color the best.


Compared to a black lab, she is brown

[CicyHannyCeli]

This looks brindle to me -- very heavily-brindled brindle.Her black part is too black to be seal.I've had dogs like this too where there are only a few specks of the base coat coming through the heavy brindling.Carla

I thought the same thing... that this dog looked like it had brindle, especially on the head. Like in this pic...

[TeemFilla]

@ Blaz N' Pits: Wow those are some dark blues! How neat. And yes, you have a point about color and nutrition. I can't speak for dogs as all of mine were high-whites and dilutes. But in horses, nutrition does play a factor in the coat changes, it can be something as simiple as a lack of a minieral. There are seasonal changes, as well as changes caused by to much sun exposiure. Most top of the line show horses are given light weight sun blankets to protect them from fading when they go out.


PS: love how that little red and white is all "nomnom, give me some ear".


Ganja: I wonder if there is a point to be made about the recessive brown gene after all. Looking at your dog, I clearly see diluted skin associated with Liver dogs.


LOL this is quite tricky, because at the moment it is: Not all black dogs are black, not all sables dogs are seal. @_@ got to love genetics lol. I wodner if some of these dogs being called Seal are actually dark Browns.


@ Sagebrush: I thought the same thing about Tiff's dog when I saw that face.

[CicyHannyCeli]

I figured diet had to have had something to do with coat color...
I know the terms 'dull' and 'shiny' aren't colors, but if a poor diet can change the coat in those ways, you'd think it could do the same with color.
As for sunburns, we just bought some epi-pet sunscreen for dogs and horses So hopefully that'll help the dogs to not get burnt anymore.
And that lil' red and white ear nibbler is pretty cute

[casinobonusa]

@ Teal, I'm so glad you posted her! I was looking at your other post of her playing fetch in the pool. Beautiful girl. If I needed to trace back her pedigree and color, is there a data base for the breed, or how would I go about it?

Thanks! Here's her pedigree -

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/amer...tml?id=1308772

And there IS an Am Staff database... I haven't checked to see if dogs she is out of are on there though

http://dogs-world-pedigrees.com/amstaff/index.php/

[TeemFilla]

@ Teal : thanks so much, I see this site as being a distraction from school work LOL Maybe I should play with it after the next test!

[casinobonusa]

You're welcome!

And yes, it IS quite the distraction!