He DROVE to come see us. Three hours. We gave him 30 bucks that he spent in gas money. Hell, three hours to us and three hours back..he probably lost money.

I don't deny that I probably should have gone to a shelter, but in no way did I support a breeder whe. I got Chevelle. The man made no money off of her.

Yea he just drove for no reason, took the money for "gas", wasnt a byb even though he bred mutts and sold them and that was that. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Just think about it next time you bitch at someone for not going to a shelter.

It's like your brain isn't clicking or something...he drove from Houston Texas to Starks Louisiana to bring her to us. He didnt want her. He even told us that she was the most useless of the litter because she was so fearful. What do you think his car ran on to come see me? Air? Either way, it costed him equal to, if not MORE money than he got from us to bring her to us. Once again, he made no money off of me.

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Also. I don't remember saying he wasn't a BYB..that's exactly what he was. But I did not support him monetarily at all.

Wow really get a freakin grip guys. If this is how Barb feels and this is what she wants to speak up for then so be it. No one els is. It does not in any way have anything to do with you so buzz off about it. Maybe some people actually care about the animals put down every day, maybe some people actually have a heart and think its sad that thousands get put down. So be it. If you don't fine. Either read the article or don't and then go your marry way back to what you were doing. Her posting this like I said in NO WAY what so ever bothers you.

Like it or not, this is a public forum..and others posting opinions is also in NO WAY a problem. Get over it. When people preach about things that they themselves did it makes it kinda pathetic. I feel on the fence, I care that dogs are getting put down but honestly, it isn't just gonna stop and going all PETA on people is ignorant and annoying.

I understand it's a public forum, but your getting in a fight over how someone feels and what they do. I was just making the point that it's not bothering you so why rip her ass lol.

Okay seriously? Enough. Do you guys not have anything better to do with your nights?

Seriously, any way you look at it, whether you get a puppy from a byb, an actual breeder, or a shelter, it's one less dog that doesn't have a home. Bottom line. How you feel about where you get said puppy from is why there's more than one option. People look for different things in a puppy, and look at different circumstances. Doesn't make it wrong. What's really wrong in my eyes, are the people who dump their pets off at shelters on a whim. THAT'S how pets end up in shelters at the end of the day. Let's bitch about them instead. lol http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/smile.png There, that's my piece, now don't rip my ass too. lol

I find the threat of "take this dog today or I'm taking it to a shelter" to be the fastest way to NOT get me to take a dog. Around here just about every shelter keeps the animal until it's adopted (unless it is seriously ill or a danger to the public with aggression, etc). Taking a dog to a shelter, at least in the PNW, is not a bad thing. Trying to coerce people by making them feel guilty (which the above linked post does) is just wrong.

I bought my last two cats from a breeder because I wanted something specific, even though I know there are over 300 cats needing homes at my local shelter. I get very tired of people who tell me that I should adopt a dog and not buy from a responsible breeder. My last two dogs (that we still have) were shelter/throwaway dogs. It doesn't matter WHY I want to buy from a breeder, either. All that matters is that I do my research and make sure I'm getting a healthy dog. This is an animal I'm going to share my life with for the next 15-20 years. While I know there are good dogs/cats at shelters don't feel that you or anyone else can guilt me into adopting if I don't want to do so.

Advocating for not buying from a BYB is a good thing. Telling people they are "killing" shelter dogs by not adopting is pretty low. If you really want to attack someone for that, go after the BYB themselves.

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I would rather someone take their pet to a shelter where it can at least be humanely euthanized if needed instead of just dropping them off to get hit/killed/starved somewhere.

People who need things like this on craigslist to realize that thousands of dogs get euthanized daily in shelters are socially ignorant.

There's nothing WTF about this. This isn't about where you get your dog. This is about basic market principles- supply and demand. People are buying shit, thus people are producing more shit, and when that shit don't sell, it gets tossed, like every other 'as seen on TV' late night infomercial piece of shit. So until people start caring about what they have, caring about what they sell, and caring about what they buy, shelters will exist.

What really doesn't make sense is the illegalities of euthanizing your own animal. You want to shoot your dog because you don't want it to end up in a shelter? Well that'll be 3 years in jail, a felony sentence, $5000 fine, and you'll lose your right to ever own animals.

This is the world we live in. Welcome, enjoy your stay.

The thing that bothers me about this, is the whole "where are you moving, that doesn't allow dogs/pets?" I have an aunt and two cousins. They got a dog, and had it for years. About a year ago, they had to give it up. They couldn't afford their home anymore, my aunt is a single mom. Her ex husband doesn't even pay child support. He has no contact with them. She didn't make enough money to be able to afford her house. They had to move to an apartment that didn't allow pets. They found someone who wanted their dog, I believe. But there are situations, where people loose their homes and have to find a cheaper one.

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[/QUOTE] I would rather someone take their pet to a shelter where it can at least be humanely euthanized if needed instead of just dropping them off to get hit/killed/starved somewhere.[/QUOTE]

This is true, you're right, they necessary as an option. I just meant, why get mad about the shelter who deals with the issue, as opposed to being upset with the people who see their pets as expendable? http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/smile.png I just mean, that if ALL people were responsible, and did the right thing, there wouldn't be as many pets in shelters as there are, and things might be different. Not much hope that this will happen, of course, but it'd be nice. http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/smile.png

I agree with Liliana above too, it all comes down to supply, and demand, and how people generally take things for granted, even if it's a living creature. http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/frown.png sad, but true.

This.

The thing that many forget though is that if you berate someone for taking their pet to the shelter for ANY reason, it only makes it so they won't take them there in the future. As SecretRomantic points out, sometimes life gets in the way of your best intentions and you have to rehome or give up your pet to a shelter. Saying pets are "forever" is all good however don't forget that many people don't have a good choice especially in this economy.

that article was so sad especially the pics
poor babies http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/frown.png

Shelters, Humane Societies, ASPCA, rescue groups are well intentioned but all are moral hazards.

When did I ever say that people not adopting is killing shelter dogs? This article does not reflect my own opinion, for one. It's just sad. And I knew about this already, but the ad just brought it to the forefront of my attention. My only problem is with BYBs and people that support them. Also, if you want a pet and have no extreme circumstances that call for you to,know your dogs pedigree, then you should adopt. So many ppeople on here claim to be animal lovers, but when this is brought to attention, no ome gives a shit? C'mon.

On the other thread, harassing someone because they want o go to a breeder and YOU think they should get a shelter dog.

You mean people like you?

You dont have to have an "extreme" circumstance or situation to want to get a papered dog, its calling having choices and if I want to pass 900 shelters on the way to my breeder to get my pedigree dog, so be it. Sad pictures and preaching wont change my opinon nor the opinions of all the other people who do it.

Oh so now you holier than thou, when you wanted to breed your dog you dont even have when you first joined, when you didnt know the difference between breeds or nose colors etc, now your miss high and mighty when YOU yourself payed for a mutt dog from a BYB, now your better than everyone and WE arent animal lovers because we dont give a shit about some damn CL post with some mopey dog faces? http://www.pitbull-chat.com/images/smilies/lol.gif

No, You have serious issues with not letting people come onto this site to learn. At some point in your past, you were dumb as dirt about this breed...so was I. Should you be criticized for your past ignorance? No, so shut the fuck up.

Once again, I did not pay for my dog. That seems to be something that you're minuscule intelligence can't quite comprehend.

And I harassed no ome on another thread. Prove it. You can't. I harassed no one. I simply asked why they couldn't adopt if they just wanted a pet.

You are also one of the ones that berates people for not getting shelter dogs as apposed to ome from a BYB and your reason is "because shelter dogs did every day because of BYBs". That was your main argument when I first joined this forum! Eat your own words! If you're going to use that argument, at least support it. Shelter dogs die every day because of people that want papers and go to BYBs to get them!

DUDE if you willing to learn do it, dont just expect anyone to take you serious when you preach about things and then YOU be guilty of doing just that. All I am saying.

I also was dumb, but smart enough to shut up and read and not spout off my half understood parroted "knowledge" until I knew enough to form my own opinion on the matter.

Okay, dog bred by byb, money given to byb, dog given to you, you payed for dog, thus supported byb.

I dont have to prove anything, you know what you said, I know what you said, you admit what you did, and now your somehow better than that person, I dont have to waste my time "proving" anything.

LOL I could honestly care less if a person goes and gets a shelter dog, there is always another dog being born to take its place. Its not worth my energy, if they want a pedigree dog, its my choice to provide proper information on what to look for in a breeder, not harass them into getting a shelter dog if they dont want one.
Yea shelter dogs die from bybs, and you ma'am supported them, so what am I eating?

Shelter dogs die from bybs, but if you provide a person who is looking to buy a papered dog with the proper info on what a legit well versed breeder of said breed should look like, and what testing should be done, what accomplishments should be had, etc then the byb wont get any money, so they wont want to breed again, because dude went to a LEGIT breeder and got a real papered dog, because they knew what to look for and ask, you just want to shove everyone into the shelter, thats not going to help anything in the long run, because majority of those dogs were at one point bred by a byb and if people would know common sense things about breeders there wouldnt be any need or use for bybs, but whatever you preach on about being better than them, even though you yourself got a byb dog, lets hope you have some sense and dont do it again, but trying to berate people into getting a shelter dog wont help anything.