[CathBraun]

These folks on another breed board I joined a while back, stated the following to me to prove that I apparently don't know the apbt breed as I should. That basically all DA if found in them is trainable and I am not realistically approaching the DA by not training one to behave properly around other dogs. Regardless of the fact that I always have control over my dog and do my ultimate best to avoid other dogs which is challenging living in a city yet I take appropriate measures to insure total control with owning a DA pitbull when out with her in public. What are your inputs guys? it seems that some individuals to an extent on here, believe you can train DA reactive apbt's to behave properly around other dogs while some including myself especially as I continue to learn from my own, seem to think otherwise. Which was another reason I thought I should share this issue for a discussion. All together these individuals frustrated the heck out of me as I was patient enough to try and pass along informative facts even some of our stickys (since they were asking so many concerns of theirs) yet instead, they can't accept the DA aspects of our breed. Also apparently conditioning zoey is for a negative cause as I don't plan to put her in weight pulling or agility but rather just to have a healthy conditioned pitbull. I think they feel that I am conditioning her for the [] as this was one statement said to me about conditioning "All dogs should be in "condition" I don't think it is exclusive to pits".

Let me also note that, I simply posted a few pictures of zoey introducing her to them and they began questioning her physical condition and everything lead from there about apbts arguments.

Here are just a couple of statements that were said to me. What I was dealing with.

"Dog aggression is something you need to keep in mind when owning a pit, but just as much as male/male aggression is in the dobermans. Its not a reason to seclude your dog from other dogs, not a reason to avoid training, or dog parks (although I don't personally like dog parks). I think you have to know your dog and take it as a training opportunity."

"We had working dogs in our family and it was in their genes to herd or hunt. Neither of those dogs showed any interest in the animals they were bred to fixate on. This is because they were never allowed to fixate on them, and were trained and socialized as a family pet.
I have only met one dog aggressive pit bull in my life and that was because the owner never allowed her to socialize with other dogs."

[RerRibreLok]

was she speaking out of her ass?

[tsaaapla]

"All dogs should be in "condition" I don't think it is exclusive to pits".

I actually agree with this statement. Obviously most breeds aren't going to look or work like APBTs but I plan on keeping my Doberman and all other future dogs of mine in tip-top shape.

The rest of it, though, is BS... I hate people who talk about shit they don't know.

[yatrahnualenu]

When someone has a problem with someone and comes to me for advice, I always tell them...You can't change people, you can only change yourself and how you react to others. I would do the same with my dog...if he were DA I wouldn't try and change him, I'd change myself and how I handled situations....don't know, but I believe we can't change them. I may be wrong though.

[CathBraun]

I actually agree with this statement. Obviously most breeds aren't going to look or work like APBTs but I plan on keeping my Doberman and all other future dogs of mine in tip-top shape.

The rest of it, though, is BS... I hate people who talk about shit they don't know.

I also stated that I know all dogs should be physically healthy once this issue was brought up no disagreement there.
However, they weren't understanding the basic concept that it differs on how well one breed can be physically conditioned vs the other. Since they were curious about zoey's conditioning regime. Even individual dogs within that breed differ on certain conditioning regimes.
In other words, what some dogs/breeds are capable of achieving looks and all. They believe that a pitbull should only be in top conditioned shape if it is going to compete in weight pull or agility basically.

Yes it was rather an overwhelming of frustration once everything began to pour out about their knowledge regarding apbts.

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was she speaking out of her ass?

basically, just "their" asses as it was the entire group cheering one another on once someone proved me wrong.

[Metalhead]

I have only met one dog aggressive pit bull in my life and that was because the owner never allowed her to socialize with other dogs.

Maybe what they were meeting weren't APBTs...

[CathBraun]

When someone has a problem with someone and comes to me for advice, I always tell them...You can't change people, you can only change yourself and how you react to others. I would do the same with my dog...if he were DA I wouldn't try and change him, I'd change myself and how I handled situations....don't know, but I believe we can't change them. I may be wrong though.

good advice as this has been a key for me once I began becoming active on these boards.

Well according to these individuals, we aren't really helping to improve the breed's image by not helping them to not become reactive DA. Regardless as I have mentioned maintaining a proper responsibility to accordingly contain them, control them, and keep them away from an accident that could have been prevented with proper containment and control. Not to mention the breeds genetic makeup in the first place and what to expect.

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Maybe what they were meeting weren't APBTs...

more than likely since us owners of DA apbts didn't socialize them with other dogs.

[yatrahnualenu]

Psychology and Biology are 2 different animals.

[Metalhead]

more than likely since us owners of DA apbts didn't socialize them with other dogs.

I socialized the HELL out of Benny, no one can dare tell me otherwise. As a puppy he was supervised playing with other social dogs, grew up in my house with dogs, we went to Petsmart weekly, he was obedience trained and I never let me focus on other dogs while we were out. At 13 months he decided what he wanted to do was fight, and so began his rivalry with our 9 year old house Pit Bull. He's still tolerant of dogs in public because of his obedience training, but that doesn't mean he isn't aggressive. I'd never trust him not to injure another dog given the chance.

Genetics, or was I just a shitty careless owner?

[yatrahnualenu]

He's still tolerant of dogs in public because of his obedience training, but that doesn't mean he isn't aggressive. I'd never trust him not to injure another dog given the chance.

Exactly what I think ...if ya turn your back on them WATCH OUT

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Psychology and Biology are 2 different animals.

I meant that's the way they see it.

[yatrahnualenu]

They see it as a combination of both.

[crestosssa]

Hmmm,OP you just reminded me,I think I need to go harass some people tonight.

[Ankeseiband]

Hey Joey I sent you a PM about that forum. I recognized your name on there and shook my head. You had no idea what you were stepping into....trust me.

[CathBraun]

I socialized the HELL out of Benny, no one can dare tell me otherwise. As a puppy he was supervised playing with other social dogs, grew up in my house with dogs, we went to Petsmart weekly, he was obedience trained and I never let me focus on other dogs while we were out. At 13 months he decided what he wanted to do was fight, and so began his rivalry with our 9 year old house Pit Bull. He's still tolerant of dogs in public because of his obedience training, but that doesn't mean he isn't aggressive. I'd never trust him not to injure another dog given the chance.

Genetics, or was I just a shitty careless owner?

Exactly emily, these individuals feel that everything is suppose to be managed through training regarding DA traits in our breed in order for apbts to live and show a positive light.

I myself did everything with zoey as a growing pup regarding the socializing aspect and training. I don't think she's taking the training well to not be reactive

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Hmmm,OP you just reminded me,I think I need to go harass some people tonight.

I wish I could pay some evils a visit, have fun damaging

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Hey Joey I sent you a PM about that forum. I recognized your name on there and shook my head. You had no idea what you were stepping into....trust me.

thank you nc pitbullmommy

[clomoll]

Hmmm,OP you just reminded me,I think I need to go harass some people tonight.

alex? Porno girl gave him a virus on facebook lol

[crestosssa]

alex? Porno girl gave him a virus on facebook lol

No,not jailbait but,

[poulaMahmah]

Was this an APBT board? If so shame on them and I feel sorry for their dogs and those they think they are educating....

If not, it is hard to explain to people who have no experience with the breed

[CathBraun]

Was this an APBT board? If so shame on them and I feel sorry for their dogs and those they think they are educating....

If not, it is hard to explain to people who have no experience with the breed

No it was a doberman forum. The member who gave me the first statement however, owned only apbts and apparently she is not only right when it comes to apbts but the hero who I should learn from. Sadly the rest of them continue to further their agreed foolishness by this particular member.

I totally agree but they were trying to state just how incorrect and wrong I am about dealing, understanding, and accepting DA in our breed. It's no surprise in regards towards those with inexperience to be misinformed or lacking in knowledge, but these individuals as I highly believe (from statements given to me like the above) turned their high suspicion into blame/wrong.

A couple of them however took the time or at least understood and accepted the sticky's I provided from this site and thanked me for passing them along. At least that's a good note.

[tsaaapla]

No it was a doberman forum.

It wouldn't happen to have been DobermanTalk would it? I don't go on there much anymore because it's full of ignorant know-it-alls like that...

[Ankeseiband]

It wouldn't happen to have been DobermanTalk would it? I don't go on there much anymore because it's full of ignorant know-it-alls like that...

See told ya Joey It's just not my opinion

Cliffdog what was your ID there? I was a member there for a long time until I was banned when someone posted a thread about me that was FULL of half truths. I was banned because i tried to defend myself. You can PM me if you don't wanna post it here.