[xtrupoke]

Why is it hunting yotes with dogs is legal, but dog fighting is not?
Hunting yotes seems a bit more "cruel" than dog fighting, which is why it confuses me.

[gueremaisse]

probably because dogs are domestic animals, that society has almost put on the same level as humans while yotes are considered vermin in a lot of places...

[Broker15015]

Hunting pretty much anything with dogs is legal. It boggles me, as well. I mean, hunting certain animals is dangerous for the dog, can lead to fatal wounds and I imagine it isn't pleasant for the prey. So, if a dog can risk life and limb to hunt for a human it should be legal to risk same to go into the [].

[TopcigsCOM]

I have asked myself that question as well.

[Siuchingach]

One of the reasons is probably some of the other things that go hand-in-hand with dogfighting versus hunting (money, drugs, crime, etc.)

[markkisil]

Because coyotes are vicious wild beasts... Dogs are babies! Obviously.

[Cxcvvfbgtr]

you might want to check the laws in your state....
some states do not allow hunting game animals with dogs... some do..
some states allow hunting with dogs for some classes of varmint...
here in Texas you can not hunt game animals with dogs... dogs can be used to track wounded animals, but not for the taking of those animals... dogs can be used for hogs as hogs are considered varmints and not game...

[agildeta]

Oh COyotes, now I get it.

From my limited experience, when I lived on a ranch, you'd see them stalking the calves too many times, you'd shoot them.

Hunting them with dogs?! Never heard of that.

[MilenaJaf]

Dog fighting a lot of the times leads to drugs and other illegal activities. As far as using dogs to hunt coyotes in Wyoming if your dog is caught chasing any wildlife be it a goose or a coyote you get a HUGE fine.

[shodulsilfeli]

Dog fighting a lot of the times leads to drugs and other illegal activities.

That's only because dog fighting is illegal. So it forces it to go underground and then the other illegal stuff and drugs get mixed in. By driving dog fighting underground it only makes it worse because it's harder to get the animals the proper vet care after. It also makes it worse because if it was legal at least there would be some regulations and rules that everyone could follow. Now it just it seems like there's a lot of wannabe "dogmen" who think their badass because they have a "game pit". Making it illegal is far worse than the act itself. It causes all kinds of additional issues. I recently rescued a blueish Ambully that some clown beat the crap out of and thought would make a great fighting dog. Stupid stuff like this wouldn't have happened if it was legal.

I'm not a fan of dog fighting at all. I actually hate it but I respect it's history because without it these dogs wouldn't exist. But who am I to force my opinions on people. How can the Gov. tell you what and what not to do with your animals; it's your personal property. As long as you aren't harming anybody everyone needs to butt out of other peoples personal lives.

[fabrizioitwloch]

I dunno, I think dog fighting is more cruel then using a dog as a tool to hunt wild game. Ever since Dog became a mans companion, they have been used for hunting and various things to ASSIST man. Once man turns there companions against each other its more unethical in my mind, then using them to rid potentially dangerous animals or animals who are causing problems.

[vekiuytyh]

I'm sure if the AR movement has their way, hunting with dogs in any capacity will be illegal soon enough.

[CAxrrAYN]

Why is tobacco legal and not marijuana? Technically, tobacco is more harmful to the user than marijuana...
Some laws just don't make sense.
You just have to be a certain type to view something as being rightly or wrongly made illegal.

[doolarsva]

It's all about the gov't not getting a peice of the gambling proceeds. That's the real reason. BTW MJ is more harmful than tobacco, it just isn't physically addicting. We debated this last year so the users don't have to respond if they don't want to. But if you do, respond with facts, not something out of NORML's handbook or High Times magazine.

[CAxrrAYN]

Well, pardon me. I was not quoting out of anything, just what I've always heard.

[km2000]

It's all about the gov't not getting a peice of the gambling proceeds. That's the real reason. BTW MJ is more harmful than tobacco, it just isn't physically addicting. We debated this last year so the users don't have to respond if they don't want to. But if you do, respond with facts, not something out of NORML's handbook or High Times magazine.

yep yep, and also it can't be tested...well it can...but like with alcohol you can test it while its making a person intoxicated, MJ you can't, you test THC (think that is right) and it can stay in the body for MONTHS...making it impossible for a cop to tell if the person is under the influence of MJ while driving, just my thoughts on it...

[Broker15015]

It's all about the gov't not getting a peice of the gambling proceeds. That's the real reason. BTW MJ is more harmful than tobacco, it just isn't physically addicting. We debated this last year so the users don't have to respond if they don't want to. But if you do, respond with facts, not something out of NORML's handbook or High Times magazine.

Actually, the way I read the research was that pot smoke is more harmful to the lungs than cigarette smoke because the smoker holds the hit BUT people (usually) smoke many more cigarettes than joints so it is less harmful cumulatively.

Since pot is more controversial partially due to illegality and lack of modern scientific research lets just switch pot out and add alcohol. We know thats way more harmful and yet legal.

Laws don't make sense sometimes. The best thing to do is research from reputable sources, decide where you fall in the debate and then take action to make change.

[ViagraPriceBuying]

you might want to check the laws in your state....
some states do not allow hunting game animals with dogs... some do..
some states allow hunting with dogs for some classes of varmint...
here in Texas you can not hunt game animals with dogs... dogs can be used to track wounded animals, but not for the taking of those animals... dogs can be used for hogs as hogs are considered varmints and not game...

Yes, here in pa,you cannot ''catch'' most 'wild game' with dogs.Exceptions are rabbits,groundhogs,coyotes and feral hogs(wich are nuiscance animals,and not considered ''game'').You can use dogs for retreival,or to 'track' the game,but not to kill them.They can seize and destroy your dogs for even chasing a deer without injuring it! So please be careful if you use catch dogs for hunting,as it may not be legal.

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It's all about the gov't not getting a peice of the gambling proceeds. That's the real reason. BTW MJ is more harmful than tobacco, it just isn't physically addicting. We debated this last year so the users don't have to respond if they don't want to. But if you do, respond with facts, not something out of NORML's handbook or High Times magazine.

I agree with you on this.So why not 'legalize it and tax it like we do ciggs and booze,instead of raising our damn taxes and adding new ones....

[shodulsilfeli]

I would think you people wouldn't just believe everything you here in the media since you all have to deal with all negative stigma of owning a pitbull and seeing all the lies the media and government officials make about our dogs. It's shocking to me just how brainwashed people are.

Hey BILLBKLYN maybe you should try responding with "facts" that come from studies that aren't financed by the Government or maybe just something factual at all. The Gov. doesn't allow almost any of the pot studies to be done in this country unless the study involves trying to prove its negative effects. Otherwise they will not allow the study to be done in the US and they will not supply the study with gov. pot to do the study. Which is the only way it's legal to do a marijuana study in this country. That is why the the majority of marijuana studies are done in other countries like Israel and Spain. That's why the scientist who discovered and named THC is from Israel.

There are many fascinating studies coming from those countries that show amazing medical results. One study I remember reading about that was done in Spain involved shrinking cancerous tumors by injecting THC directly into the tumors on rats. Other studies have shown how THC does this by going after the VEGF receptors. It has to do with cutting off blood flow and the growth of new blood vessels to the tumors but not to the healthy parts of your body . Pharmaceutical companies are now studying this and currently trying to create a drug they can patent to do the same thing. Other studies show marijuana can fight cancer by apoptosis(programed cell death). This is similar to what chemo or radiation do except they kill all cells in your body while marijuana only goes after(free radicals) the damaged or cancerous cells. There are studies going on all over the world proving marijuana's medical worth but many people are just to brainwashed and ignorant to care because "pot is bad, mmk".

You guys/girls need to do your homework and get your facts straight on Pot! Pot has been being used since the beginning of mankind as medicine and has never killed anyone. While at least 625,000 individuals in the Americas die each year from tobacco use, according to the Pan American Health Organization.

Number of American deaths per year that result directly or primarily from the following selected causes nationwide, according to World Almanacs, Life Insurance Actuarial (death) Rates, and the last 20 years of U.S. Surgeon Generals' reports.
TOBACCO 340,000 to 450,000 ALCOHOL (Not including 50% of all highway deaths and 65% of all murders) 150,000+ ASPIRIN (Including deliberate overdose) 180 to 1,000+ CAFFEINE (From stress, ulcers, and triggering irregular heartbeats, etc.) 1,000 to 10,000 "LEGAL" DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from legal, prescribed or patent medicines and/or mixing with alcohol - e.g. Valium/alcohol 14,000 to 27,000 ILLICIT DRUG OVERDOSE (Deliberate or accidental) from all illegal drugs. 3,800 to 5,200 MARIJUANA 0
(Marijuana users also have the same or lower incidence of murders and highway deaths and accidents than the general non-marijuana using population as a whole. Crancer Study, UCLA; U.S. Funded ($6 million), First & Second Jamaican Studies, 1968 to 1974; Costa Rican Studies, 1980 to 1982; et al. LOWEST TOXICITY 100% of the studies done at dozens of American universities and research facilities show pot toxicity does not exist. Medical history does not record anyone dying from an overdose of marijuana. (UCLA, Harvard, Temple, etc.)

Drug Enforcement Administrative Law Judge, Francis L. Young, called marijuana
"one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man,"
and recommended that the drug be made legally available for some medical purposes, including treatment of cancer patients.


UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE Drug Enforcement Administration
In The Matter Of MARIJUANA RESCHEDULING PETITION
Docket No. 86-22
OPINION AND RECOMMENDED RULING, FINDINGS OF FACT, CONCLUSIONS OF LAW AND DECISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE LAW JUDGE FRANCIS L. YOUNG, Administrative Law Judge
DATED: SEPTEMBER 6, 1988 Section 8 of Judge Young's "Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law and Decision."
Page 56 & 57 Judge Young's Ruling
3. The most obvious concern when dealing with drug safety is the possibility of lethal effects. Can the drug cause death?
4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.
This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world. Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.
6. By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.
7. Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called an LD-50. The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced toxicity. A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success. Simply stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death.
8. At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.
9. In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity.

[irrascaft]

One of the reasons is probably some of the other things that go hand-in-hand with dogfighting versus hunting (money, drugs, crime, etc.)

The illegal activity goes hand-in-hand with a lot of things. There is quite a bit of it going on in the hunting dog world - at least here anyways. Big money exchanges hands along with drugs during some of the hunts.