[Immerymopay]

Do any of you or would any of you allow your apbt to go to daycare while your at work with 25 other dogs?

[Kolokireo]

No. I worked at one for almost 2 years, breaking up numerous dog fights. And none of them were 'pit bulls'. Although, we did have a bull mastiff vs. newfoundland fight. That was fun.

[doksSirmAdods]

I don't let anyone but immediate family care for my dogs and even thats hard for me. Doggy Daycares are worse than dog parks in my opinion. At least at a dog park the owners are present. At dog daycare anything can happen and you are depending on the staff to not be overworked, inexperienced and able to handle any situation. Thats too much trust to put into strangers. Especially when you own a breed that is so misunderstood, has a bad rep and is known to possibly become Dog Aggressive at maturity.

[ElcinBoris]

no. dog daycares, like dog parks are a bad idea for any dog of any breed

[kubekniekubek]

Wilson used to go, stopped taking him because it got expensive.

But this was with our local Pit Bull groups "leader", so she knows the breed very well. Dogs were never unsupervised, and only played in small groups (like no more than 5 dogs per group) who were matched based on personalities. When not playing, they were crated. Never had any incidents.

25 dogs? That's too many to be properly supervised IMO.

[Gubocang]

Depends on the dog daycare really.

Personally, I'd never pay to take my dogs to a dog daycare. I pretty much have one at my house as it is. I'm not trusting of others, especially when it comes to my dogs.

I used to work at a dog daycare. We were always over the limit the city gave us, because the owners just wanted to pull in mad money, and didn't give a damn if we were overworked, understaffed, and packed to the rafters. We didn't have too many fights, but there were some that were eventful to say the least. One with the owner's highly DA pit bull mix almost ripping a French Bulldog in half, and when one of my co workers went to break it up (we didn't have break sticks, idiot owners refused to invest in them), the pit bull mix redirected on him and he almost lost his finger (then had to sign an agreement with the owner that he wouldn't report her dog, if he did, they wouldn't pay for his finger reattachment).

On days where we were slow, or that no one would be home for 12 hours, I'd take my dogs. But they were under my supervision, and when we got too busy, I'd take them to the boarding room and crate them.

That being said, I have seen some good ones. Not many, but there are a few. One is run by a dog trainer down river-ish, who has a ridiculous amount of experience training dogs for SAR, border patrol, police work etc, and has works with a pit bull rescue. I'd take my dogs there if I didn't have time to walk them, and if I had the money.

But unless you know what you're looking for, I wouldn't recommend dog daycare. Maybe just get a good dog walker if you're going to be gone for long periods of time throughout the day.

[Wetekemieluth]

No.

The dog daycare near my work has over 20 dogs running together based on size, and yes...there is a monitor, but he's equipped with a water bottle. Water bottles work on our dogs, but maybe not on others.

They do require a temperament test prior to allowing your dog to be in doggie daycare, but I wouldn't want to take the chance of another dog hurting my two. It's one of the same reasons why we don't "do" dog parks.

[Kolokireo]

No.

The dog daycare near my work has over 20 dogs running together based on size, and yes...there is a monitor, but he's equipped with a water bottle. Water bottles work on our dogs, but maybe not on others.

They do require a temperament test prior to allowing your dog to be in doggie daycare, but I wouldn't want to take the chance of another dog hurting my two. It's one of the same reasons why we don't "do" dog parks.

You know what our 'temperament test' was where I used to work? My boss would walk the new dog on leash into the room with 30 dogs, and if they didn't attack anyone, then they'd be allowed in. I hated that place.
Our usual ration was 1 person per 30 dogs..... I'm not kidding.

[Gubocang]

You know what our 'temperament test' was where I used to work? My boss would walk the new dog on leash into the room with 30 dogs, and if they didn't attack anyone, then they'd be allowed in. I hated that place.
Our usual ration was 1 person per 30 dogs..... I'm not kidding.

Ours was supposed to be 1 person to every 10-15 dogs. Nope. It was about what yours was. We'd get 100 dogs during U of M foot ball games, with 3 people working on a Saturday.

Although our temperament test was a little better. We checked how they responded to having EVERYTHING manhandled by us, let them sniff around an empty room for an hour, then let one dog in at a time.

[Immerymopay]

Well both of mine go my 1 year old has been goin since she has been able to just as soon as she got all her shots to go and my 6 month old has been going recently since she got all her shot and we love it we trust our workers and they are wonderful and they love my dogs tremendously they say my 2 are 2 of there best dogs and they realize that it don't take my dogs but just a second to snap off on one of the other dogs but they never have a problem with it I mean they have told me that my oldest will give the back the f$$$ off growl but that's as far as she has taken it and I know they both still young and not into adulthood yet but so far so good and they pay close attention to them to make sure of no problems and they have all types of dogs labs shepards boxers am.bulldogs toy dogs all kinds and they hardly ever have problems not saying it won't happen but I do have two very well behaved dogs well my year old is anyway I can't speak for the little monster just yet it goes and comes with her

[ElcinBoris]

So, then, if there is ever an incident with one of your dogs, even if another dog started it, then your dog will be blamed, simply because of the breed. And guess what, the owner of the other dog is going to go out and try to get pit bulls banned. Anyone that leaves their dog of any breed off leash with other dogs is asking for trouble. Dogs are dogs, just that, and no dog is 100% predictable, especially around other dogs. And here we have a type of dog that has a trait of being dog aggressive, and you are just sitting there waiting for a problem to happen. Your dogs are young. A dog can turn on at any age, some as young pups, some wait a few years. Once a problem happens then it is not just you and your dogs in trouble, its everyone that owns a bully breed. I am so sick of people are seem to be doing everything they can to take my dogs away from me. If you wanted a dog that can go to doggy daycare or dog parks or have other doggy friends, then you should have stayed away from the bully breeds and gotten something else. Hell, even stay away from terriers too, because they tend to be other dog aggressive. Get a dog that better suits your life style, then you won't have any problems when trying to force your dog to suit it, even when your lifestyle is not the nature of said breed or type.

[Gubocang]

Well both of mine go my 1 year old has been goin since she has been able to just as soon as she got all her shots to go and my 6 month old has been going recently since she got all her shot and we love it we trust our workers and they are wonderful and they love my dogs tremendously they say my 2 are 2 of there best dogs and they realize that it don't take my dogs but just a second to snap off on one of the other dogs but they never have a problem with it I mean they have told me that my oldest will give the back the f$$$ off growl but that's as far as she has taken it and I know they both still young and not into adulthood yet but so far so good and they pay close attention to them to make sure of no problems and they have all types of dogs labs shepards boxers am.bulldogs toy dogs all kinds and they hardly ever have problems not saying it won't happen but I do have two very well behaved dogs well my year old is anyway I can't speak for the little monster just yet it goes and comes with her

ROFL! Yeah, that's what our boss always said to people, and tried to get us to say to people. That all the dogs got special attention, everyone's dog was the best dog there. Basically you got spoon fed a bunch of bullshit. They'll tell you what you want to hear as long as they keep getting your money.

[Immerymopay]

I tell u what Annie c what makes u sure that a Billy breed can't live just like any other dog and don't talk down to me I love my dogs I would do anything for them anything I am not trying to take ur dogs away from u I hate bsl just as bad as anyone it's unfair to the animals how can u say that my girls will ever have other dog aggression u can't yes there is a chance yes it has been breed into them but I also think that it's how u raise that dog and the socialization that that dog gets and if I ever saw a sign of the aggression I would never let them go back that would be super irresponsible and I am super responsible with my dogs I go there once a week and observe just to make sure I don't have a feeling that anything is potentially dangerous to my dogs or my dogs a danger to any other or they would be pulled immediately so please don't direct comments tirades me like I am irresponsible for allowing my dogs to go here because they are apbt why does every dog have to be aggressive just because they are apbt that makes no since all dogs have there own mind thank you for your opinion though I appreciate it

[Gubocang]

Please, I socialized the bejesus out of Lucy when I got her at 8 weeks. She's 2 now, and while she gets along well with many dogs, there are more dogs that she'd rather take a chunk out of.

You can't raise or socialize dog aggression away.

And we had TONS of dogs that were aggressive towards other dogs, and even had a history of human aggression, but we weren't allowed to kick them out. Know why? Money plain and simple. At the end of the day, a dog daycare is a business, and businesses exist to make money.

[Edisesyethisp]

Definitely not. Even if there was only one other dog, I wouldn't let any of my dogs go to "doggy daycare".

It's not "how they are raised" or "how well socialized they are".

Look at this picture. If it was "how they are raised" and "how well socialized they are", then these two would still get along, but they don't. Why? Because Hawken matured, and decided he was done, "playing nice."

[dubballey]

Instead of taking it personally, why not listen to what more knowledgeable people have to say.

You ARE part of the problem if you believe your dogs will never have aggression. It can happen to any dog. Most stories I've seen here start out "I never thought my dog would do it, but....."

I tell u what Annie c what makes u sure that a Billy breed can't live just like any other dog and don't talk down to me I love my dogs I would do anything for them anything I am not trying to take ur dogs away from u I hate bsl just as bad as anyone it's unfair to the animals how can u say that my girls will ever have other dog aggression u can't yes there is a chance yes it has been breed into them but I also think that it's how u raise that dog and the socialization that that dog gets and if I ever saw a sign of the aggression I would never let them go back that would be super irresponsible and I am super responsible with my dogs I go there once a week and observe just to make sure I don't have a feeling that anything is potentially dangerous to my dogs or my dogs a danger to any other or they would be pulled immediately so please don't direct comments tirades me like I am irresponsible for allowing my dogs to go here because they are apbt why does every dog have to be aggressive just because they are apbt that makes no since all dogs have there own mind thank you for your opinion though I appreciate it

[Edisesyethisp]

It is true that not every single Bully bred dog will be Dog aggressive. There are many cold dogs out there, however, precautions should still be taken, just in case, that cold dog stops being cold.

[ElcinBoris]

I tell u what Annie c what makes u sure that a Billy breed can't live just like any other dog and don't talk down to me I love my dogs I would do anything for them anything I am not trying to take ur dogs away from u I hate bsl just as bad as anyone it's unfair to the animals how can u say that my girls will ever have other dog aggression u can't yes there is a chance yes it has been breed into them but I also think that it's how u raise that dog and the socialization that that dog gets and if I ever saw a sign of the aggression I would never let them go back that would be super irresponsible and I am super responsible with my dogs I go there once a week and observe just to make sure I don't have a feeling that anything is potentially dangerous to my dogs or my dogs a danger to any other or they would be pulled immediately so please don't direct comments tirades me like I am irresponsible for allowing my dogs to go here because they are apbt why does every dog have to be aggressive just because they are apbt that makes no since all dogs have there own mind thank you for your opinion though I appreciate it

It does not matter how you raise them dog aggression can happen. It is more likely to happen in these breeds, than not. You are trying to take my dogs away by bringing your dogs to a place where there will one day be a problem. APBT are more often then not DA, that is just how it is. You cannot erase hundreds of years of breeding and genetics. Dog aggression is a normal trait in this breed, and it is the ignorant people that don't want to believe it that are harming this breed. Many of the "pit bull" attacks you read about are dogs owned my "pittie mommies" or people with their "fur babies". They all say the same thing, oh he's never done this before, after their dog killed their neighbors dog, or cat, or other animal. It happens all the time. They can just turn on one day. I'm not going to say unexpectedly, because, unless you are a complete moron, its not unexpected. Really, I'm not trying to be mean, I'm telling you the truth, as blunt as it may be. I am slowly but surely loosing my right to keep the dogs I choose because of people like you who think your dog will never be DA because "you socialize it". It is not how their raised, it is how you handle the dog you have. What are you going to do if the first time your dog shows DA is at daycare and it kills another dog? Why are you waiting for this to happen? What's going to happen then is that a "vicious pit bull" attacked and killed another dog "unexpectedly" because "oh, he's never done that before" then another city will be looking at BSL. Thank you very much for killing my breed off, on more city at a time.

[ovH9wfSJ]

JShumate, I fully understand where you are coming from and I certainly would never argue the point with you. I for one, hope that you never have to deal with one of your dogs becoming DA. We all do, I'm sure. But, I would like to tell you a little story.

We got Jake at 9 months of age. He was a rescue who had spent over 3 months in the shelter and was scheduled to be put down when we happened to come in on one of our visits.

Jake is an awesome boy. Of course he is neutered and we spent a tremendous amount of time training him. He is without a doubt one of the best trained dogs in our entire township. Jake was always well behaved and very tolerant of both my other dogs as well as dogs that I watch for friends when they have to go out of town.

At about 18 months of age we started seeing a change in his disposition. We noticed it right away because we were aware of the potential of DA in the breed and had always kept an eye out for it. Suddenly we found ourselves constantly having to call him off from hitting any of the other dogs (including our own). Even as closely as we watch him he has had a couple incidents when a friend and neighbor thought it would be alright to just drop his pit off in my backyard without notifying us. (We now have a lock on the gate) The second of these incidents included the use of a breakstick to remove Jake from his boys neck.

While on leash, he is very unreactive as long as another dog does not get in his face. Off leash, there is no doubt that if he doesn't start it, he fully intends to finish it.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, you can train until your dog can stand on his head and stack beebee's, but it will not change the genetic code of your dog. You may be able to control it to a point but it will always be there and you need to be aware of it and ready to react if necessary. (Mine is not the only dog who has changed dramatically as they matured.)

Jake is now 4 years old and he still has a very social and active life. Do we allow him to run off leash with any other dogs than our own? NO. Does he do work off leash in a controlled environment? Yes.

I know that if you felt there was a possibility of danger to your dogs you would pull them from daycare. I am just saying, please be very aware of any changes in your dog's dispositions as they mature, and be prepared to do whatever you need to do to keep them safe.

[Immerymopay]

Why should I not take it personal when you are saying I am part of the problem when you don't personally know me or my dogs and don't know how they are or how I raise them so yes when you say I'm a problem then I'm gonna take it personal because I know there is a chance for aggression and I pay very close attention to it and so does my daycare it's owned by a lady and her husband and three other ladies and trust me when I tell you she does it for money but she does it for the dogs to she is very knowledgeable and she takes very good care of all her dogs and the only reason she gives mine special attention is that she watches for aggression closer but that's it other wise they get treated just as any other dog but she has a few dogs that she has to do that with so why would u say don't take it personal when I say this but it's people like u why would u even say that to me of course I'm gonna take it personal and I said thanks for the response but that I didn't appreciate it being a shot st me that's all I said and yes you might be more knowledgeable than me but how do you know that do you know me do I know you for all you know I am 60 years old and been breeding bullies for 40 years now that's not the case but still how do you know