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Old 06-26-2010, 04:02 AM   #1
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Default AKC,UKC,ADBA,ABKC,ect..
Which kennel club do you respect and which ones do you not respect and why?
Which one/ones do you are geared towards dog that look and function like the original animals of that breed?
And which ones do you think are ruining breeds?
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Old 06-26-2010, 04:04 AM   #2
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I don't really want to bash any registry.

I prefer the ADBA, AADR, and APBA. However, all registries have their negatives.
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Old 06-26-2010, 09:34 AM   #3
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To be honest, NONE. Here are my reasons:

1) paper hanging is just too easy and they'll register a mutt with hung papers if you have the registration fee. Just look at the many bullies and other mixed dogs in the ADBA alone.

2) All registries are about conformation. However, our dogs are not meant to be conformation dogs, but working dogs. Apbts are sometimes born with flaws, since this breed was designed for gameness and if he could work, he was bred. If your dog has a kinked tail, longer tail, thicker tail, shorter tail, etc. If he has prick ears, if he has a longer coat, etc. Pretty much basically anything that doesn't match the standard, but the dog itself could be deadgame, human friendly, and prey drive through the roof etc., he is still going to receive a minor or a major fault, or possibly even a disqualification.

3) By breeding for looks alone, you ruin the dog's working ability and you are left with nothing but a shell.

For people that prefer dogs that can work, a title in a working dog show (iron dog, spartan dog, etc.) or a dog that can catch means much more to me than a Ch. or gr. ch. title in any conformaton show.

As for pedigree wise, I prefer the good old days of dogmen just writing down their pedigrees rather than using these registries. Once a dog is registered and he wins something, everyone is going to search for the dog, and of course they will find out how he is bred etc. if the papers haven't been hung. Then you're gonna have people attempting to recreate him and he himself will be a sought after stud. This in turn leads to dogs with just pretty pedigrees, lacking the heart of a true bulldog. Look at the dogs off machobuck now, they are nothing but pretty papers.
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Old 06-26-2010, 10:51 AM   #4
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To be honest, NONE. Here are my reasons:

1) paper hanging is just too easy and they'll register a mutt with hung papers if you have the registration fee. Just look at the many bullies and other mixed dogs in the ADBA alone.

2) All registries are about conformation. However, our dogs are not meant to be conformation dogs, but working dogs. Apbts are sometimes born with flaws, since this breed was designed for gameness and if he could work, he was bred. If your dog has a kinked tail, longer tail, thicker tail, shorter tail, etc. If he has prick ears, if he has a longer coat, etc. Pretty much basically anything that doesn't match the standard, but the dog itself could be deadgame, human friendly, and prey drive through the roof etc., he is still going to receive a minor or a major fault, or possibly even a disqualification.

3) By breeding for looks alone, you ruin the dog's working ability and you are left with nothing but a shell.

For people that prefer dogs that can work, a title in a working dog show (iron dog, spartan dog, etc.) or a dog that can catch means much more to me than a Ch. or gr. ch. title in any conformaton show.

As for pedigree wise, I prefer the good old days of dogmen just writing down their pedigrees rather than using these registries. Once a dog is registered and he wins something, everyone is going to search for the dog, and of course they will find out how he is bred etc. if the papers haven't been hung. Then you're gonna have people attempting to recreate him and he himself will be a sought after stud. This in turn leads to dogs with just pretty pedigrees, lacking the heart of a true bulldog. Look at the dogs off machobuck now, they are nothing but pretty papers.
Yea I have to agree with this Our old hog dogs and the other breeders of hog dogs that I grew up around never registered anything was all kept in a notebook that you never let anyone see. but people knew you had good catch dogs and that is what they wanted
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Old 06-26-2010, 10:57 AM   #5
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I also say NONE. They are all out for their own agendas, breeding be damned.
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Old 06-26-2010, 08:35 PM   #6
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I respect reputable and responsible breeders more than I respect an organization. The ones on my permanent sh*t list are the ones that register and promote "designer breeds," and the ones that only require you to say your dog is purebred but doesn't require anything else.
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Old 06-27-2010, 02:41 AM   #7
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I can respect them in their own way, however they all have faults. Nothing is perfect!

AKC - I would consider this the most reputable in terms of pure bred dogs. Hung papers are a lot harder to get past the AKC. However I don't like the shows or what the AKC breeders tend to breed for. Again that is not the AKCs itself, but it just kind of all goes together.

UKC - I would favor this registry out of all I would say. They tend to pick more working and logical styles than AKC. However there are still some fads in this ring as well. I also don't like the fact that they will register a AKC limited registered dog on full registry with them. That kind of defeats the purpose on what the breeder was trying to do. I also don't like some of the registries UKC accepts papers from.

ADBA - It seems like this registry is a lot easier for BYBs to get hung papers on. They don't seem quite as careful, however for APBT I do respect that they favor the old working style dogs. I agree most of the time with what they pick in the ring for this breed.

ABKC - Err lets just say I have little respect for this KC.
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Old 06-27-2010, 05:29 AM   #8
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BFKC,AADR,APBA,ADBA and SDR
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Old 06-27-2010, 05:04 PM   #9
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As I do not care so much about conf. ( do show my dogs though) I do like the working events.

I prefer UKC. But only cuz they seem to offer the most events.
I compete in
Weight Pulls
agility
Obed
Rally Obed.
and conf

Plus UKC offer much more. Like dock diving ( not sure what name they use though)
lure coursing, terrier races and so on. But not all are available to all breeds.

All my dogs are also reg with AKC and I do compete in
agility and Obed, Rally Obed and conf. there too.

I think AKC, UKC & ADBA are the most reputable as far as pure bred dogs go. But like stated paper hanging can happen anywhere.

I have not even heard of a few of of the listed registries. But maybe they are not popular in Ca??

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To be honest, NONE. Here are my reasons:

Once a dog is registered and he wins something, everyone is going to search for the dog, and of course they will find out how he is bred etc. if the papers haven't been hung. Then you're gonna have people attempting to recreate him and he himself will be a sought after stud. This in turn leads to dogs with just pretty pedigrees, lacking the heart of a true bulldog. Look at the dogs off machobuck now, they are nothing but pretty papers.
this comes down to the stud dog owners. as far as how many dogs are produced out of said dog. I had a top show dog ( this is when I was just showing) he won all kinds of conf titles in UKC and AKC and he was NEVER available for public stud. He was only ever used 1 time by his co owner and all those pups where placed with friend. None have ever been bred to this date and they are 6 yrs old. I do believe all are spayed or Neutered now excpetp 1....
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