[bribiaLaubysdggf]

Ok , this is my 1st time to post a Thread on here ... lol If i fail - mybad.

I just want to know how do you feel about these images ??

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/sadreality.php


You say this is the Breeds true reason for living ..........

Now explain how this makes u feel ???
Do these images make u happy ?

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petb...dreality/3.php

Do u think all APBT should have to die this way - to be true to it's breed ???

I am looking to have a Mature Conversation w/ some1 who says this is OK.

( yes I know some of the pix are from mange but that is still abuse if u don't take your dog in )

[FUNALA]

I think it's disgusting that humans would treat any living creature this way. Abuse is not limited to this breed. All animals, at the hands of humans, can get abused and mistreated.

[JTS_tv]

****From their website

More often than not, those poor dogs are the VICTIMS of irresponsible and abusive ownership. Pit Bull dogs are bred, raised, and trained to be the way they are. Inside the dogs there is a good heart that only wants to please and love. Dogs do not understand the human definition of right and wrong. Blaming the animals for the current situation regarding dog attacks will NEVER resolve the problem!

It's time people stop closing their eyes to the source of the problem and start to face reality. The pain you see in the eyes of the dogs in this section IS the sad reality of too many Pit Bulls.Those dogs need our help, not our hate. Most of the dogs and the stories on that site are pictures from abuse and neglect.

If you wish to debate a subject a subject on this forum, please make an entrance in a mature and more educated manner.

[connandoilee]

( yes I know some of the pix are from mange but that is still abuse if u don't take your dog in )

Then they have no business in the conversation since the conversation is specifically about dog fighting.

However, I think this discussion is pointless. No respectable dogman would ever let his dogs up in the condition that some of the pics depict for "victims of dogfighting". It is nothing more than irresponsible and emotion-based reporting, not a legitimate discussion of the topic at hand.

I'd also like to point out, that in the general scope of things, 90% of "dogfighting" pictures that are posted by AC and/or Rescue Organizations, are of general yard scraps, or stray scraps. Few times, whether they will admit it or not, do AC or others have real legitimate fighting dogs. Look at all of the major busts in the last 2-3 years, how many of the dogs are walking around in the manor in which those pictures depict? FEW! If Any! These pictures of the day-to-day street mess that AC deals with is what they use for their campaigns, but they can rarely say they have legitimate media such as this to use from real Dogmen.

[TimoDassss]

Oh good lord.

[erepsysoulptnw]

Anyone that would let any animal suffer for no reason, regardless of what they may see as that reason, is disgusting, plain and simple.

[VEGLAS - SPB]

Well.. the pictures bother me to a point because I am an animal lover...

My dogs are well taken care of.. spoiled to a point.. But I can also show you many pictures of happy pit dogs as well if you'd care to see them.

Most of those pictures are from abuse... not fighting... mange and malnurished dogs is what I see the majoirty of... and that is neglect and people should be punished for that... but I don't see the need to punish someone that takes great care of a match dog before and after the match... those dogs are given great care when handle by true dogmen.

Yes some look to have been in a fight of some sort... but unless they were actually taken with footage of them being fought I'll not call them dogs from a "fight ring"....

No vet can tell the difference between a dog that got into a fight with a stray or a dog that got into a fight with a APBT in a professional match setting.

No APBT needs to die a bad death... but I will admit the fact I feel that a gamebred APBT can be happy being a couch potato... it can be happy being a little fur baby....

but I have seen the look of a dog that actually got to experience a fight if only for a brief few minutes... and at the moment that dog looked complete... she was truly happy... and she wanted nothing more than to keep fighting.... That dog was my dog Cheyenne the day she got into a bad yard accident and had to be but down because of a badly broken leg... and as much as it hurt me to have her put down I knew that she got to experience being a complete American Pit Bull Terrier... and that makes me smile even today.

Ok , this is my 1st time to post a Thread on here ... lol If i fail - mybad.

I just want to know how do you feel about these images ??

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/sadreality.php


You say this is the Breeds true reason for living ..........

Now explain how this makes u feel ???
Do these images make u happy ?

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petb...dreality/3.php

Do u think all APBT should have to die this way - to be true to it's breed ???

I am looking to have a Mature Conversation w/ some1 who says this is OK.

( yes I know some of the pix are from mange but that is still abuse if u don't take your dog in )

[viagraman]

I think people need to finally learn the difference between a dog man and a dog fighter, before they try to debate.

[Cengaeas]

http://lsspbc.com/blog/

[connandoilee]

Most of those pictures are from abuse... not fighting... mange and malnurished dogs is what I see the majoirty of... and that is neglect and people should be punished for that... but I don't see the need to punish someone that takes great care of a match dog before and after the match... those dogs are given great care when handle by true dogmen.

Yes some look to have been in a fight of some sort... but unless they were actually taken with footage of them being fought I'll not call them dogs from a "fight ring"....

No vet can tell the difference between a dog that got into a fight with a stray or a dog that got into a fight with a APBT in a professional match setting.

Muthafucka! Ain't that what I just said! Copy me again, I DARE YOU!









What's up NC, how them pups doing?

[nerrttrw]

maybe go check out the history section of this forum and see some pictures of real pit dogs that were used for matching.If you are really interested.The pictures you posted ARE horrible,and i doubt any member here would condone that sort of treatment.Go look into the history of the breed though and you will see some amazing, stunning ,athletic,well cared for dogs.i would post some pictures for you but i really have no permission to do so.

[attishina]

You say this is the Breeds true reason for living ..........

Now explain how this makes u feel ???
Do these images make u happy ?


Do u think all APBT should have to die this way - to be true to it's breed ???

I am looking to have a Mature Conversation w/ some1 who says this is OK.

i dont get what your trying to debate here NOBODY i know of on this forum is for abuse neglect and mange im just really confused about the point of this post

[Prererularl]

I also don't understand what she is trying to debate by using these pictures of abused dogs or why she didn't stick around after she posted to ''debate'' what she started.

[JEWELMARGY]

I just want to know how do you feel about these images ??

I'm a doglover, so of course those images make me cringe

You say this is the Breeds true reason for living ..........

what? being abused? being left to die on the side of the road?
being starved?
this is NOT the purpose of this breed and only a fool would think that

Now explain how this makes u feel ???
Do these images make u happy ?

of course not, who would be happy to see abused dogs?


Do u think all APBT should have to die this way - to be true to it's breed ???

I suppose you're talking about dogfighting from the beginning, aren't you?
well first you need to know the difference between a dogman and the ghetto dogfighter.
they are just worlds apart.

they were fought for entertainment but also for breeding purposes
and you can't breed a dead dog.
so having dogs fighting to death wasn't a very common thing to do.
I sure admit it happend sometimes, but as I sait, it was not common.

and personally, I don't find dogfighting cruel as it's what the breed LOVES to do.
they were bred for it, it's in their genes to fight just as it is in a JRT's genes to extermine vermin, or in a coon hound's genes to tree the coons.

I agree completely with NCPG.
ever seen the look on a dogs face after a fight?
it's priceless.
they look indeed complete and happy.

I am looking to have a Mature Conversation w/ some1 who says this is OK.

I say dogfighting is OK if done the right way (under the Cajun rules) and for the right reasons.
with that being said, I don't fight my dogs, nor would I ever (even if it were legal)
I'm not a breeder so there is NO purpose for me to match dogs.
I'm getting a bit sick of beating up the dead horse, there are SO many threats about this and they all end in personal attacks and get closed.
so if you want a mature conversation, feel free to sent me a PM if you really wish to discuss this topic further.

( yes I know some of the pix are from mange but that is still abuse if u don't take your dog in )

yes, but that has NOTHING to do with dogfighting...

replys in bold.

[RafaelYV]

Well.. the pictures bother me to a point because I am an animal lover...

My dogs are well taken care of.. spoiled to a point.. But I can also show you many pictures of happy pit dogs as well if you'd care to see them.

Most of those pictures are from abuse... not fighting... mange and malnurished dogs is what I see the majoirty of... and that is neglect and people should be punished for that... but I don't see the need to punish someone that takes great care of a match dog before and after the match... those dogs are given great care when handle by true dogmen.

Yes some look to have been in a fight of some sort... but unless they were actually taken with footage of them being fought I'll not call them dogs from a "fight ring"....

No vet can tell the difference between a dog that got into a fight with a stray or a dog that got into a fight with a APBT in a professional match setting.

No APBT needs to die a bad death... but I will admit the fact I feel that a gamebred APBT can be happy being a couch potato... it can be happy being a little fur baby....

but I have seen the look of a dog that actually got to experience a fight if only for a brief few minutes... and at the moment that dog looked complete... she was truly happy... and she wanted nothing more than to keep fighting.... That dog was my dog Cheyenne the day she got into a bad yard accident and had to be but down because of a badly broken leg... and as much as it hurt me to have her put down I knew that she got to experience being a complete American Pit Bull Terrier... and that makes me smile even today.

[hauptdaunnila]

apart from the fact most of the few pictures i bothered looking at were of emaciated or neglected dogs........there are plenty of things we do in life that after the event dont seem worth the hassle....but it doesnt stop us going straight back and doing them again !......thats not an excuse for people who mistreat animals.....but the point you are clearly trying to make by starting this topic simply has no substance........for that reason.
a fighting man does not look or feel great after a bout.....it doesnt stop him doing it again its the price you pay for committing to what you love....no different to match dogs.
i say again,that has nothing to do with animal neglect and abuse like these pictures show.

[freediscountplanrrxip]

I am not a dog fighting fan, I could not do it....
I am not a dog man, I am a man who owns dogs...
but what you have posted has nothing to do with the questions you asked about the dogs and fighting... nothing to do with what these dogs were bred for..
what you have shown is the result of folks who should not own dogs, owning dogs, not dog fighting...

[bribiaLaubysdggf]

(( To Room ))

Debate ????? You can't figure out the Debate because there is not ONE !!!!!!!!

I asked a question , a simple question - How do you feel ?? So all of that was uncalled for ... like I said Mature people only.

To all the people that took the time out to answer my question -
Thank You Very much !!

I am NOT an APBT basher .... I love this breed

There is NOT 1 day that goes by that I don't change some1 optinion about this breed- rather it be some Ignorant BSL trick ( lol sorry I hate them ) or some drive by watching my 2 APBT's doing multiple tricks & being the best they can . The amount of opinions I change is incredible and I do it so they will know this breed isn't how BSL & the MEdia make it.

Yes I know the History of this breed - I know b4 dog fighting was ever a Sport - they were used for Bull baiting/Bear & hog Hunting as well as other large livestock. I also know that canines have been used for Arena Sport since the Roman times- w/ Lions/Tigers & humans .

As well as I know the 1st decorated war hero " Stubby" was an APBT in WW1 & WW2. How Theo Roosevelt / Thomas Edison / Helen keller / Humphry Bogart as well as many more Inspirational people have owned an APBT in their lifetime . I know that there are many APBT's who have saved humans life every year .
and last but not least ...........
I also know that in the 1800's APBT's were faught like Now a Day Professional Boxers are - how they went home to their familes & loved .

but I also know - there are way more Thugs & lowlifes that Abuse / fight & kill this breed than people who follow the Dogman ways . They are the ones making this Breed Human Aggressive - bcaus all they care about is Blood & money . Don't sit here & try 2 tell me different either .


Well I am glad to say there are SOME mature people in here ... and to the people who Obviously got Offended ?? What are you so offended for - sound a lil guilty .

If you don't fight - u souldn't be offended .

Why didn't I stay in here ??? I have a job and dogs to take care of .As well as a cat & 2 turtles . I have a daily life - that's why ?!?!?

Once again Thank You to the people that gave their perspective. I am only asking for Opinions & How you feel .

This is a " Discussion " room em I Correct ????

Me asking you how you feel is a DISCUSSION - NOT a Debate !!!!

I am starting to feel - people come on here TO ONLY DEBATE - to release their daily stress .

[allvideO]

I am not a dog fighting fan, I could not do it....
I am not a dog man, I am a man who owns dogs...
but what you have posted has nothing to do with the questions you asked about the dogs and fighting... nothing to do with what these dogs were bred for..
what you have shown is the result of folks who should not own dogs, owning dogs, not dog fighting...

That pretty much sums it up.

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but I also know - there are way more Thugs & lowlifes that Abuse / fight & kill this breed than people who follow the Dogman ways

Thus the reason why they are thugs and lowlifes.

[TimoDassss]

I think... Well, I hope... that the OP doesn't own APBTs.