[Sellorect]

Im not sure if I read into things to much but on some post that I come across it sounds like ppl defend it and think its a good thing and should be legal. I dont know if there is alot of ppl on here that defend it or not but Im sure they wouldnt fess up anyways. I guess I just cant understand how you could defend it in anyway.

[highattainlet]

I dont think they defend it NOW.. but the old dogmen, thats another story. Now days, people do it for money and pleasure of seeing a dog shred another dog up. I havent really gotten much into the old dogmen threads (I am still catching up on recent stuff on here - not enough time in the day to do it all). But If I am correct, back then it was differant.. When I hear of pit fights, I think of people starving, beating, forcing them to fight to death. That is what our time does.. and from my understanding, true dogmen treat their dogs very well and dont let it get out of hand.. (Am I right or if I am wrong, would love to know where to find the info on this forum for it.. )

[Oriesssedleli419]

This forum does not condone dog fighting in any way, shape or form.

[XU8i6ysK]

Who in your opinion defends dog fighting?

[Sellorect]

Because I am not sure Im not going to say and get ppl pissed at me.

[TriammaMade]

Not being sure is a big reason people get their homes raided and dogs killed. There is a difference between people respecting history, and partaking in illegal activities.

[Sellorect]

Thats right and thats why I dont accuse ppl with being unsure.

[KuRoregioNka]

the way i see it if you really want to study the origins of the APBT's, you will have to wrap your brain around the fact that these dogs exist today because of their abilities in the pit.like it or not it is because of the sport that we have the dogs we have today.you dont have to match your dogs but to understand them you need to know where they come from.

[Oriesssedleli419]

Dog Fighting is illegal in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, and the federal Animal Welfare Act prohibits the interstate transportation of dogs for fighting purposes.

Forty-nine states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands have made dogfighting a felony offense. Forty-five states, the District of Columbia, and the Virgin Islands prohibit the possession of dogs for fighting. And 48 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands prohibit being a spectator at a dogfight.

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The views herein expressed in this forum do not necessarily reflect those of the posters nor the forum owners and should be viewed strictly as entertainment and for historical purposes only. The posters nor the forum owners either promote or condone any violations of the "Animal Welfare Act of 1976", or any other Local, State and/or Federal Laws.Again, this post/thread should be viewed strictly as entertainment and/or for historical purposes only!

[Peter Hill]

So we can't even discuss it? Not like were talking about which dog won, but the weight classes, the keep are interesting things to talk about. I KNOW for a fact that old dogman took very good care of there dogs, they put a lot of $$$ into there dog and a lot of work just to make that dog the best it can be. When old dog fighters hear about the sad cruelty young punk/idiots do to there dogs to "make it a fighting dog" breaks there heart and makes them sick to there stomach.

[cefunonge]

Im not sure if I read into things to much but on some post that I come across it sounds like ppl defend it and think its a good thing and should be legal. I dont know if there is alot of ppl on here that defend it or not but Im sure they wouldnt fess up anyways. I guess I just cant understand how you could defend it in anyway.

Everyone is entitled to there opinion. Me, as most of you know. I am pro-dogmatching. I would have no problem it were to get legalized. But that being said. That doesnt mean i fight my dog nor attend dogfight matches. The same reasons, that there are people on this board that believe weed should be legalized. I also believe weed should be legalized. But guess what, I do not smoke weed. So im doing nothing illegal. Just having views on certain things that should be legal. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion.

But here are some threads that you might want to check out on dogfighting.


Just because some hate it. Dont mean that they need to make up stuff to make people hate it more..

I heard of people saying dogs are beaten and starved in order to get them to fight. Then i correct them .

The same reason there are people that say weed makes you want to rape people. It does something to there sexual organs. And im like ??????? Then i correct them..
nothing illegal in that.





Here are some good educational threads that you might want to check out, which dispells some myths of dogmatching and shows some info on it. Check my posts to see why i personally see nothing wrong with the sport.



http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthre...ht=dogfighting

and


http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=26163





Check my posts if you want my OPINION on dogfighting. Once again. MY OPINION. This is not a dictatorship. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I do not talk about anything illegal such as "come to ny, watch this dogfight" "anyone want to fight vs my dog" "anyone who how i can get in underground dogfighting" no... I say nothing like that. Just stating opinions and clearing up facts on this sport.




And also you might want to check out these blogs. by a member of this site. he doenst fight his dogs, just stating his views aswell..


http://www.pitbull-chat.com/blog.php?b=283

http://www.pitbull-chat.com/blog.php?b=271

http://www.pitbull-chat.com/blog.php?b=234

http://www.pitbull-chat.com/blog.php?b=263





and this is a good post by Pipbull


"The thing is, that blanket of cruelty that you place on dog matching can be questioned. It's the same as blanketing every dog sport as cruel.

Schutzhund for Protection dogs.....I'm sure there have been some pretty cruel things done to dogs that are winning out there. Compulsion training, hanging, harsh treatment, etc.

Sled Pulling for huskies.....you can't tell me that the iditarod isn't one of the biggest tests of a dogs heart, but that's through a lot of hard work, pain, and endurance. Those sled dogs are sometimes kept on 4 ft of chain or less next to their houses. They are working dogs only. Not pets, not part of the family. They are there to pull the sleigh and that's it.

Hell, I'm sure you can beat a dog into an obedience title. That doesn't make it right. And that doesn't make the sport evil."

-Pipbull












dont believe everything you hear on the news/media.

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But that being said. Im sure the majority of people on this site do not want it legalized. But yes there are some people that see nothing wrong with it. Is that a problem? So to answer your question. No, this is not a "dogfighting" site. Far from it.. But with this breed, the topic of dogmatching/dogfighting is bound to arise... and is when people post there views.

Pit Bull Chat Forum Statistics Threads: 33,187, Posts: 360,707, Members: 8,876, Active Members: 1,456


Pit Bull Chat Forum Statistics Threads: 33,187, Posts: 360,707, Members: 8,876, Active Members: 1,456


Also According to Pit Bull Chat Forum Statistics. We have "Members: 8,876" I would say that the majority of these members do not want it legalized. But there many that do.. I just wuoldnt call it the majority. Just from experience in reading peoples post..

In addition, if you read this thread. it is a poll..

http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthre...ht=dogfighting

most people that voted from this site consider dogmatching more cruel then hunting..

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Also,



Do I think how mike Vic culled his dogs was wrong?? Yes I do.. He is what i call a street/thug dogfighter. Not a real dogmen. I do not support people like mike vic. Only true dogmen . LEt it be past or present. -- Yes i have no problem if it was legalized. IF that is what your saying by "im sure no one will fess up that they defend.."





just because mic vic fighted his dogs. Doesnt mean every single dogfighter is like him. Dont blame the sport. blame the people.

[Thifiadardivy]

I dont think they defend it NOW.. but the old dogmen, thats another story. Now days, people do it for money and pleasure of seeing a dog shred another dog up. I havent really gotten much into the old dogmen threads (I am still catching up on recent stuff on here - not enough time in the day to do it all). But If I am correct, back then it was differant.. When I hear of pit fights, I think of people starving, beating, forcing them to fight to death. That is what our time does.. and from my understanding, true dogmen treat their dogs very well and dont let it get out of hand.. (Am I right or if I am wrong, would love to know where to find the info on this forum for it.. )

The sport of Dogfighting is illegal. Nowadays....Nothin. Ppl still do it for the same reasons that it has always been done.

[furious1]

I'm with Jelet on this one. I've been into the breed for awhile now, and just happened to get one by default recently. I had some friends who had to let her go do to BSL in Ohio. I've always been interested in the history of the breed. I've learned alot from reading and especially from this forum.

IMO dog fighting is for thugs. As far was matching a dog, I am also pro-dogmatching in that it helps to better the breed and it remains true to it's roots. That's just my opinion. I wouldn't mind it being legal if money wasn't being exchanged.

Another thing, like Jelet stated earlier about the comparison of marijuana. It's illegal and I'm sure some people here smoke weed. I don't smoke weed, but I do see some medicinal uses for it. Those people that smoke weed are probably the same people here who are against dogmatching. Wouldn't you say that is so hypocritical?

I know I'm gonna be blasted here, but most people who smoke weed are the hippies that think it is cruelty to animals. That's your opinion. Like the saying goes "opinions are like assholes, we all have one."

[JaK_MarkoV_Pi]

as always the backstreet disgusting savagery these street kids do cannot in any way shape or form be compared to serious dog matching.ive always said if these kids actually understood the knowledge dedication and time it took to prepare a dog for a match it would put them off of anything to do with dog fighting because they just dont have what it takes to prepare a dog before or care for a dog after the battle.
the trouble is these street kids make up probably 80% of what people call " dog fighting ".the genuine and dedicated dog matcher is a small minority in the breed.
whether your anti or pro dog fighting if you love this breed you cannot deny their past and dog fighting is a massive part of what this breed is today so if you detest the sport so much why choose a pit bull as a pet ive never understood it.
its easy to call it disgusting and what not but its a lot harder to study and understand what it actually takes to match a dog from the dogs point of view and the owners.maybe if more people actually took the time to learn about it instead of passing it off with powerful words they would respect where and who these dogs today came from

[Bobobsdo]

Individuals on this site defend a lot of things: dog matching, the cruelty of dog mathcing, marijuana use, how marijuana use is bad, drug use, how drug use is bad, abortions, the use of dog foods and supplements, the use of spiked collars, the use of chains, the use of kennels, the use of doggy clothes,.......etc.

That's the thing about internet forums and just life in general - people are allowed to have an opinion and are granted the freedom to state that opinion.

And just because one person, or a few people, have an opinion that differs from you, it does not mean that the board also shares that same opinion as those people.

[Kghikeds]

When i first started getting interested in apbts I was about as anti dog matching as they come. I believed what I heard, the propaganda and I believed that it was the norm to do some of the street level/thug stuff then and now. Over time Ive grown to really enjoy reading about the olden days and I like reading match reports, learning about old game dogs and bloodlines, and Ive grown to appreciate alot of the things that went on and respect alot of what I know about old dogmen. That being said Im not naive and I dont believe that everything that went on back in the old day was all honorable and they never did anything cruel, greedy, or dishonest: the fact is that even some of the well respected dogmen did shady things as well as good things too. It dosent necesarily make them bad people. Ive done some things in my life that I would like to be forgiven and forgotten. Overall I dont believe that dog matching is inherently wrong if you have dogmen who take good care of their dogs and let the dogs go at it if the dogs so choose to and play by the rules.

[KLhdfskja]

Wouldn't you say that is so hypocritical?

Just so there is no question.

I am one of those hypocritical people. I believe that it should be my choice on marijuana just as much as I feel that dog matching is cruel and disgusting. I feel the same about chickens and I actually worked hard to have cock fighting stopped in Louisiana. Successfully too I might add. There is a slight difference though. I don't sleep with the chickens and I still love em fried.

My dogs are a part of my family. They are not property or a tool to be used at my whim.They are living breathing creatures that have feelings and who want nothing more than to live their lives out in peace.
I understand that history is what it is but that is just what it is....... HISTORY.

[Kghikeds]

As far as dog fighting being legalized is concerned. I think its absolutely way too taboo for it to ever become legalized. Its just not going to happen. There is a better chance of 5 people on the forum winning 10 million in the lottery tomorrow than for dog fighting to be legalized. I dont think I would support it knowing what some of the thug level crap that goes on. You cant just give these guys free reign to do what they do legally and without fear of prosecution. There would have to be a sanctioning body set up like the Nevada St Athletic Commission to oversee all of the matching that went on. Its just not in any politicians best interest to ever support such a taboo thing and to go to bat for something as publicly despised as dog fighting.

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My dogs are a part of my family. They are not property or a tool to be used at my whim.They are living breathing creatures that have feelings and who want nothing more than to live their lives out in peace.
I understand that history is what it is but that is just what it is....... HISTORY.

They do have feelings, but what if you treat the dogs well, show them lots of love, and take extremely good care of them and they still want to fight other dogs? How do you know that they consider peace? Maybe they do want to do what they were bred for. You do understand that the dogs that were historically used for matching didnt have to fight if they didnt want to right? There were plenty of curs who didnt want any part of the matching.

[cefunonge]

and who want nothing more than to live their lives out in peace.
.

Exactly. Your dogs would not fight in a dogfighting ring even if the best dogmen owned your dogs. Its the dogs decision if it wants to fight or not. But most gamebred dogs or gamebred line dogs do enjoy and actually LIVE to fight in the pit. Not to live a "peaceful life" gamedogs or most APBT's are working dogs imo. They thrive off this type of stuff. and IMO, for a game bred APBT, it is cruel to give it a peaceful life just to lay around and relax all day. They need to be working.. they are working dogs. They get sick when they are not working. Gives em heart failures/heart attacks if u let a dog just lay and mope around the coach all day and think that its good for them just because they look "relaxed."

Just wanted to throw that out there. I'd rather turn this into a dogfighting debate thread.....

[KLhdfskja]

My dogs do have outlets for their prey drive. We hunt hogs not other dogs.