[Ygd2qr8k]

oK:

AMBULLY - STAFFY IN AUST
AMSTAFF - Slightly taller and leaner
AMSBT - Same
AMPBT - Taller still and leaner again.

Is that kind of correct??

What are the main diff between AMSTAFF & AMSBT??

Also I am pretty sure the only one not allowed in AUS is not long nosed bully - not in any of those photo's.

But I am going to check.

AMBULLY -- no such breed. It will be a while before and if these very badly bred American Pit Bull Terriers and American Staffordshire Terriers get recognized as a breed. I would ignore these. They do not deserve discussion or any kind of promotion and are considered a laughing stock in this country (USA).
AMSTAFF or AST -- Recognized by American Kennel Club; and recognized as an American Pit Bull Terrier by UKC. ALWAYS has AKC papers (or their equivalent from the equivalent kennel club in a country) or it can be considered an American Pit Bull Terrier in many countries and taken away.
AMSBT -- no such thing
AMPBT -- (better to use APBT) -- American Pit Bull Terrier, registered by UKC and ADBA; not registered by AKC.

You'd better find out which one is not allowed in Australia. I'm pretty sure it's the American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT).

Carla

[esanamaserrn]

This is a hard question to answer without going on and on as there are so many different variations in the one breed but the same in a sense. Good post though, thanks to all!

[Ygd2qr8k]

there is no such breed as pit bull terrier. the only breed with "pit bull" in it is American Pit Bull Terrier.

Actually, many of us DO remember when "Pit Bull" meant just one breed and that is the American Pit Bull Terrier; and to me that's exactly what it is...When you say "Pit Bull" amongst dog people, that's what it should mean -- American Pit Bull Terrier. Period.

If you want to use "pit bull" in the context of a discussion about the media, go for it; but knowledgeable people KNOW what "Pit Bull" means. The American Pit Bull Terrier deserves it's nickname like any other breed.

Carla

[Ygd2qr8k]

“restricted breed dog” means a dog of any of the following
breeds —

(a) dogo Argentino;
(b) fila Brasileiro;
( c) Japanese tosa;
(d) American pit bull terrier;
(e) pit bull terrier; or
(-THE PRESA CANARIO WAS ADDED NOV 16 2005. Yet to be updated on
State Gov Site.
( See Circular No 29-2005 for more details))

im guessing that Pit bull terrier is the long nosed, and american pit bull terrier is the one name in the above photo.

But they are not banned, people in AUST can still own them, but they must follow the guidelines set out. It didnt say anything about breeding.

I'm not sure what he means by a long-nosed dog; I think Collie or Greyhound when I think "long nose"!

Go to an Australian Kennel Club show and go watch the Staffordshire Bull Terriers AND the American Staffordshire Terriers and you will immediately see the difference.

Carla

[Ygd2qr8k]

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But they are not banned, people in AUST can still own them, but they must follow the guidelines set out. It didnt say anything about breeding.

Okay - gotcha.


To the OP, just remember, whatever breed you end up with, be sure you get the papers before you leave with the pup, so that it is clear which breed you have. Especially if you get an Am Staf because it will be a Pit Bull if you don't have papers showing it's an Am Staf.

Carla

[Ygd2qr8k]

This is a hard question to answer without going on and on as there are so many different variations in the one breed but the same in a sense. !

That's for sure; but I think it's best to teach someone about what the breed IS, what the Standard IS, what a well-bred dog of a breed IS before one goes on and on about the extreme, badly-bred dogs. There is no point of reference if someone does not know what the breed IS in the first place.

Carla

[esanamaserrn]

That is so true. Good point, and I thank you.

[BoarmomorurrY]

I never said no body remembers when pit bull meant one breed. I was telling him that there are not two breeds one being the pit bull terrier and the other american pit bull terrier. The only breed name with pit bull is the American Pit Bull Terrier. Yeah, maybe pit bull should mean that, but it often doesnt. People on here all the time like to use APBT to differ from the other breeds often lumped into the Pit Bull category and youll often be corrected when just using the term "Pit Bull". Honestly I dont know what the point in directing your comments towards me were...All I did is point out that "Pit Bull Terrier" wasnt its own breed and "American Pit Bull Terrier" is the actual breed name.

Actually, many of us DO remember when "Pit Bull" meant just one breed and that is the American Pit Bull Terrier; and to me that's exactly what it is...When you say "Pit Bull" amongst dog people, that's what it should mean -- American Pit Bull Terrier. Period.

If you want to use "pit bull" in the context of a discussion about the media, go for it; but knowledgeable people KNOW what "Pit Bull" means. The American Pit Bull Terrier deserves it's nickname like any other breed.

Carla

[stunnyravytal]

When you say "long nosed", do you mean a Bull Terrier?

[stoneeZef]

BINGO - Coolhandjean. Thanks

OK I AM SO CONFUSED ITS NOT FUNNY, LOL.

I dont know anything about the standards etc. So all this is going over my head.




So the first 4 photo's posted are incorrect??

The first - AMBULLY - Short, stocky - In australia is just called a STAFFY. - What is this called in USA, Is this the one which is not recognised?

Second - American Staff - Is this AST? And a recognised breed?

Third - American Staff Bull Terrier - No such thing???

Forth - American Pit Bull Terrier - APBT - This is restricted in AUS, But this is from the AUS policy -
(a) dogo Argentino;
(b) fila Brasileiro;
( c) Japanese tosa;
(d) American pit bull terrier;
(e) pit bull terrier; or - (SO WHAT THE HELL IS THIS, HAVE THE AUSSIE'S GOT IT WRONG HERE?)
(-THE PRESA CANARIO WAS ADDED NOV 16 2005. Yet to be updated on
State Gov Site.
( See Circular No 29-2005 for more details))

If there is no such thing as a pit bull terrier, then I can ignore th above (e).

And Bull Terrier - is the one above fromColhandjean?



My AMSTAFF was bought from a pet shop without paper (I know I know, I wanted papers,but my partner fell in love). But they are allowed to sell without, it does not make him a APBT.


Basically this is my question -

I am looking for a leaner, taller breed. If this happens to be the APBT, then I am out of luck. As an AMSTAFF is wider accross the chest etc correct??

[metrocartockasur]

I would say that the APBT tend to be the leanest and most athletic looking out of the bunch.

[pissmanvd]

i am also from australia From NSW and it is the American Pitbull Terrier that is banned, although can still be found if you look hard enough people still do have them, but beware as they are banned and u will lose the dog n get a hefty fine if ya get caught if you choose the get an APBT.
in Australia we have
1. staffy
2. American Staffordshire Terrier
3. American Pitbull Terrier
4. Bull Terrier (which is the one with the long noses.

a staffie as you call it is not wat they call a AMBULLY in America they are different
i personally dont know much about AMBULLYS but too me(dont bash me)to put simply they looks like an overdone staffy weighing bout 100 times more but same size, bit bigger head bigger boned n muscle etc.

American Staffordshire Terrier look very similar to American Pitbull Terriers. AST in simple terms are taller then the Staffy but still look similar with same structure just bigger again anyone correct me if i am wrong.

APBT is similar to AST but are much more lean and athletic put simply lol.

And finally Bull Terriers as you said are the one with log noses.

they are all pretty closely related i think anyways so yes it is a bit confusing.
but here in australia u will very rarely see an APBT usually the other 3.
anyways below is some pics of all these breeds to try help you.
1. STAFFY=

2. AMBULLY=

3. AST=

4. APBT=

5. Bull Terrier =

hope that helps ya a bit. i am no expert though so if anyone else has anything to say or correct me your more then welcome as i too am trying to learn more
kyle

[Fiipolera]

im from australia, any questions feel free to PM me,

[Fiipolera]

BINGO - Coolhandjean. Thanks

OK I AM SO CONFUSED ITS NOT FUNNY, LOL.

I dont know anything about the standards etc. So all this is going over my head.




So the first 4 photo's posted are incorrect??

The first - AMBULLY - Short, stocky - In australia is just called a STAFFY. - What is this called in USA, Is this the one which is not recognised?

Second - American Staff - Is this AST? And a recognised breed?

Third - American Staff Bull Terrier - No such thing???

Forth - American Pit Bull Terrier - APBT - This is restricted in AUS, But this is from the AUS policy -
(a) dogo Argentino;
(b) fila Brasileiro;
( c) Japanese tosa;
(d) American pit bull terrier;
(e) pit bull terrier; or - (SO WHAT THE HELL IS THIS, HAVE THE AUSSIE'S GOT IT WRONG HERE?)
(-THE PRESA CANARIO WAS ADDED NOV 16 2005. Yet to be updated on
State Gov Site.
( See Circular No 29-2005 for more details))

If there is no such thing as a pit bull terrier, then I can ignore th above (e).

And Bull Terrier - is the one above fromColhandjean?



My AMSTAFF was bought from a pet shop without paper (I know I know, I wanted papers,but my partner fell in love). But they are allowed to sell without, it does not make him a APBT.


Basically this is my question -

I am looking for a leaner, taller breed. If this happens to be the APBT, then I am out of luck. As an AMSTAFF is wider accross the chest etc correct??

without papers, if council rangers ask you about your dog and you have no papers you stuffed, any American staffie without papers is auto declared a American pitbull, this is due to everyone buying pitbulls and registign them as american staffies, so registers and microchip it as a amstaff cross,

if you get into stife you will need to breed asses and temp test your dog, otherswise if you dont follow the guidlines, cage muzle ect, the dog will be put to sleep with in 28 days, you can get an extension tho.

you will need to read up on all the laws ect, so if someoen dobs you in, or the rangers come past you will know waht to do, makes life easier

but liek i sed, PM me if you want anymore info

[SweetCaroline]

Mavrick,

good questions you where asking this schould be a sticky for new members.
All other gived good explanation.

DOC.

[CaseyFronczek]

Actually, many of us DO remember when "Pit Bull" meant just one breed and that is the American Pit Bull Terrier; and to me that's exactly what it is...When you say "Pit Bull" amongst dog people, that's what it should mean -- American Pit Bull Terrier. Period.

If you want to use "pit bull" in the context of a discussion about the media, go for it; but knowledgeable people KNOW what "Pit Bull" means. The American Pit Bull Terrier deserves it's nickname like any other breed.

Carla

Yes I agree when you hear "Pit Bull" it should mean American Pit Bull Terrier, but it doesnt. "Pit Bull" is actually a term used to define three different breeds, American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, and Staffordshire Bull Terrier(To my understanding anyways). When I hear the term "Pit Bull" I think of these three breeds, yes the first one that comes to mind is the APBT, but it doesnt filter out the other two.


If I am wrong someone please correct me.

[dasneycomrov]

What gets novices even more confused is that the non show lines of the breeds (APBT, AST, SBT) look even more alike to each other. My SBT looks more like Chinaman than the froggy, squat show bred SBT we are used to seeing.