[shumozar]

This is a teaser

We all know we can PUSH things around.....

But can we PULL things at all ??

Certainly the English Language has the word pull
1. [noun] the act of pulling; applying force to move something toward or with you; "the pull up the hill had him breathing harder"; "his strenuous pulling strained his back"
Synonyms: ing

2. [noun] the force used in pulling; "the pull of the moon"; "the pull of the current"

3. [noun] special advantage or influence; "the chairman's nephew has a lot of pull"
Synonyms: clout

4. [noun] a device used for pulling something; "he grabbed the pull and opened the drawer"

5. [noun] a sharp strain on muscles or ligaments; "the wrench to his knee occurred as he fell"; "he was sidelined with a hamstring pull"
Synonyms: wrench, twist

6. [noun] a slow inhalation (as of tobacco smoke); "he took a puff on his pipe"; "he took a drag on his cigarette and expelled the smoke slowly"
Synonyms: puff, drag

7. [noun] a sustained effort; "it was a long pull but we made it"

8. [verb] cause to move along the ground by pulling; "draw a wagon"; "pull a sled"
Synonyms: draw, force

9. [verb] direct toward itself or oneself by means of some psychological power or physical attributes; "Her good looks attract the stares of many men"; "The ad pulled in many potential customers"; "This pianist pulls huge crowds"; "The store owner was happy that the ad drew in many new customers"
Synonyms: attract, in, draw, draw in

10. [verb] move into a certain direction; "the car pulls to the right"

11. [verb] apply force so as to cause motion towards the source of the motion; "Pull the rope"; "Pull the handle towards you"; "pull the string gently"; "pull the trigger of the gun"; "pull your kneees towards your chin"

12. [verb] perform an act, usually with a negative connotation; "perpetrate a crime"; "pull a bank robbery"
Synonyms: perpetrate, commit

13. [verb] bring, take, or pull out of a container or from under a cover; "draw a weapon"; "pull out a gun"; "The mugger pulled a knife on his victim"
Synonyms: draw, out, get out, take out

14. [verb] steer into a certain direction; "pull one's horse to a stand"; "Pull the car over"

15. [verb] strain abnormally; "I pulled a muscle in my leg when I jumped up"; "The athlete pulled a tendon in the competition"
Synonyms: overstretch

16. [verb] cause to move in a certain direction by exerting a force upon, either physically or in an abstract sense; "A declining dollar pulled down the export figures for the last quarter"

17. [verb] operate when rowing a boat; "pull the oars"

18. [verb] rein in to keep from winning a race; "pull a horse"

19. [verb] tear or be torn violently; "The curtain ripped from top to bottom"; "pull the cooked chicken into strips"
Synonyms: rend, rip, rive

20. [verb] hit in the direction that the player is facing when carrying through the swing; "pull the ball"

21. [verb] strip of feathers; "pull a chicken"; "pluck the capon"
Synonyms: pluck, tear, deplume, deplumate, displume

22. [verb] draw or pull out, usually with some force or effort; also used in an abstract sense; "pull weeds"; "extract a bad tooth"; "take out a splinter"; "extract information from the telegram"
Synonyms: extract, out, up, take out, draw out

23. [verb] take sides with; align oneself with; show strong sympathy for; "We all rooted for the home team"; "I'm pulling for the underdog"; "Are you siding with the defender of the title?"
Synonyms: side, root

24. [verb] take away; "pull the old soup cans from the supermarket shelf" WOW......

Unfortunately for any act of PULL, the puller needs to become ONE WITH the object being pulled... some type of secure attachment must be made... eg fingers behind the door knob.

And in medicine, when muscles pull, actually the muscle myofibrils are PUSHING against each other.

There is no mechanism where pull can transmit a force.... let alone gravity propagation

[RBJamez]

the puller The puller needs to push against some static thing to be able to exert force of the thing being pulled, err I mean pushed LOL

eg tyres/feet etc on the ground, or whatever

[dfuzioniag]

This is a teaser

We all know we can PUSH things around.....

But can we PULL things at all ??

Certainly the English Language has the word pull


WOW......

Unfortunately for any act of PULL, the puller needs to become ONE WITH the object being pulled... some type of secure attachment must be made... eg fingers behind the door knob.

And in medicine, when muscles pull, actually the muscle myofibrils are PUSHING against each other.

There is no mechanism where pull can transmit a force.... let alone gravity propagation

All together now....

You say Potato and I say potato
You say tomato and I say Tomato
Tomato Tomato Potato Potato
Let's call the whole thing off


Not sure where Friday funnies is Zarky, but if you look carefully enough.

[qp0yfHOf]

Pulling is pushing

[TerriLS]

Well it looks like pull has bit the dust
along with time
and so many more anthropogenic myopic concepts

Unfortunately for cosmic science, and therefore so for ALL the proposed cosmic theories, there has to be a paradigm shift

For instance gravity pushes so the "gravity" at the centre of a body does not create unimaginable pressure as is supposed

The matter in the cosmic body creates the BXE field around it (poloidal field) [eg Earth]; this field is spun by the prevailing toroidal spin of the field around that [eg Sun]... and that is the source of the gravity on the body... not matter as such squashing all in it and under it.

So the ramifications spread all through science and specifically physics

Shaky ground made up by a lack of understanding.... sheep following sheep

[Spipped as off topic and relating to moved posts]

in another thread it was claimed accretion is the mechanism for planet formation

The problem with this is HOT PLANETS

Push Gravity is not a mechanism to heat a pile of cold rocks, sand, dust..whatever

so how do the interiors of some planets become hot..molten... ????

Planet (matter ejection) is the only explanation.

So earthlings get your concepts in a one-to-one correspondence with the absolute reality, and yes, it is all tooooo simple... you could even have though of that
LOL

[AngelBee]

Gravity neither pushes or pulls. Motion caused by gravity follows an inertial path. You need to push or pull something to get it out of an inertial path.

[Poowssnople]

Gravity neither pushes or pulls. Motion caused by gravity follows an inertial path. You need to push or pull something to get it out of an inertial path. yes partially correct.... well not really
however straight paths are not possible in a broth of swirling BXE cosmic bubble fields

so The Inertial Path for a planet is a conic section..... specifically a circle, around the source of toroidal BXE field spin .... toroidal centre of spin

In a nut shell..
Motion is cause by the central toroidal field spinning the poloidal field of the orbiting body and thereby pushing the planet around its orbit

Gravity is the resultant of the differential spin rate of the BXE field around the orbiting body.

[fluistulkn]

A number of posts have been moved to the chat thread as they were off topic and were begining to flood the thread. Please do not move them back or repost deleted items. This makes it difficult for us, the forum and yourself.

[Wluwsdtn]

Magnets pull.

[VowJoyday]

however straight paths are not possible in a broth of swirling BXE cosmic bubble fields
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That sounds as if it has come straight out of "Alice in Wonderland"
Zarky you do realise that we have sent probes now to all the planets, some even meeting up with four of them on the same excursion.
We are able to adjust the flight of space probes, so as to gain speed via gravity assists, and allow for other changes in velocity as it either nears or retreats from a planet...All via Newtonian...a system that has worked for 300 years and will still be working for another 3 million years!
GR fine tunes the Newtonian system when needed and it in turn explains many "anomalies" when gravity and speed approach high numbers.
Space/time warpage and the "Frame Dragging" effects have been measured to great accuracy.

All evidence for gravity "as we know it"

I keep asking you for evidence to back your own claims, but only get another of what you think in your own mind.

It might feel good to be able to stand up to the establishment, [I'm no shrinking violet when it comes to that either, ask anyone here] but to have the gaul to say 300 years of physics is wrong and make other outrageous claims such as there is no pull only push and EDSGT, all without any evidence, and then to just ignore the evidence that supports the establishment, is not scientific or smart in the least.

Your picture of the Universe may please you...It may be unique....but it is not supported either by mathematics, observation and/or experiment.
Until you supply at least 2 out of the 3, what you are claiming is just a heap of hot air.

[Daleman1984]

Gravity neither pushes or pulls. Motion caused by gravity follows an inertial path. You need to push or pull something to get it out of an inertial path.

yes partially correct.... well not really
however straight paths are not possible in a broth of swirling BXE cosmic bubble fields

so The Inertial Path for a planet is a conic section..... specifically a circle, around the source of toroidal BXE field spin .... toroidal centre of spin

In a nut shell..
Motion is cause by the central toroidal field spinning the poloidal field of the orbiting body and thereby pushing the planet around its orbit

Gravity is the resultant of the differential spin rate of the BXE field around the orbiting body. 10 points for creative writing.

[iNYZgxNC]

10 points for creative writing.

I'd subtract a few points on the basis that it tends towards gibberish.

[ElectraDupu]

Unfortunately for any act of PULL, the puller needs to become ONE WITH the object being pulled... some type of secure attachment must be made... eg fingers behind the door knob.

There are actions that can be described via an attractive force that don't require attachment of any kind.

[Ecurrexchangess]

Magnets pull. actions that can be described via an attractive force electric and magnetic forces are cases where energy equilibrium dictates/pushes the direction... they are in circulation... they are not linear so have altered physics

it is not supported either by mathematics, observation and/or experiment. maths are fine... Observations include the Schumann resonance.. the heliosphere .. satellites passing through our spin field..... Pioneer anomaly...Lagrange points..... quantum positions for the planets... structure of our space and the structure of our electric field

Experiment
At present there is/are a satellite at Earth's L1 and it needs station keepers to maintain position

at the actual L1 point Earth-Sun ( a few million kms closer than current estimates ) a satellite positioned there would be eternally (well!) there, [as per the Trojan asteroids at the L4 and L5 Lagrange points of the Sun–Jupiter system] and would actually have to be more than relatively stable.

[Sadsidioribre]

but to have the gaul to say 300 years of physics is wrong http://www.wordwizard.com/phpbb3/vie...hp?f=7&t=20484

[Bwvapays]

> We all know we can PUSH things around..... But can we PULL things at all ?

Yes.

Tension and compression are both well defined forces. Compression pushes and tension pulls.

[Liskaspexia]

Tension and compression are both well defined forces. Compression pushes and tension pulls. I am surprised Molly
both are pressure

[cheaploans]

I am surprised Molly
both are pressure

In fact neither are pressure. Pressure = Force/area.

A tensile force (or "pull") makes things longer.
A compressive force (or "push") makes things shorter.

If you want to use the words differently feel free to do so, but don't expect anyone to follow whatever point it is you are trying to make.

[11Woxsepmoomo]

In fact neither are pressure its OK, stick to the anachronisms

unfortunately both can only be achieved via pressure...a PUSH

[shieclulaweew]

its OK, stick to the anachronisms

unfortunately both can only be achieved via pressure...a PUSH

An uphill one, it would seem.