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Old 08-24-2012, 07:26 PM   #41
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But maybe humans are just not adapted to thinking about images in the same way they do about verbal statements. I'd say there's a falseness to that image, and it's a knowing and deliberate falseness.
That seems to suggest people are stupid and can't discern between an image and reality...
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:27 PM   #42
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In that case, can anyone do your hair cuts?
No, because some activity with scissors has a better process and outcome than others...

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Old 08-24-2012, 07:28 PM   #43
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That seems to suggest people are stupid and can't discern between an image and reality...
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but that statement:

people are stupid and can't discern between an image and reality... Is quite true in a lot of cases...
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:30 PM   #44
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That seems to suggest people are stupid and can't discern between an image and reality...
People are easily swayed by emotional arguments. It's the basis of retail marketing and the stock market.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:32 PM   #45
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Is quite true in a lot of cases...
I think you sell people short, I think a lot of people are happy to have "buy-in" with the imagery...
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:34 PM   #46
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That seems to suggest people are stupid and can't discern between an image and reality...
It's not about stupidity. It's just that people bring a kind of skepticism to verbal claims they don't bring to non-verbal claims.
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:44 PM   #47
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aren't they finding that DDT is in fact "good for me"? particularly if that "me" lives in a malaria prone area?
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Old 08-24-2012, 07:57 PM   #48
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aren't they finding that DDT is in fact "good for me"? particularly if that "me" lives in a malaria prone area?
Yes, proper regulated use has much greater benefits than costs...

willy-nilly use is an issue, but it's not alone in that regard...

a recent speech I heard said Rachel Carson had more blood on her hands than Stalin and Mao - I thought that was a little strong...
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Old 08-24-2012, 08:31 PM   #49
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well to be fair... you buy the car, but are generally sold the fantasy
Isn't it up to the buyer to then live the fantasy?
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:17 PM   #50
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a recent speech I heard said Rachel Carson had more blood on her hands than Stalin and Mao - I thought that was a little strong...
Was it written by someone who says that smoking's good for you?
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:20 PM   #51
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a recent speech I heard said Rachel Carson had more blood on her hands than Stalin and Mao - I thought that was a little strong...
A slightly different take on that.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3186
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Old 08-24-2012, 09:50 PM   #52
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A slightly different take on that.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3186
A good example of people who would sell their souls and the lives of others for money. They say 1 in a 100 people is a psychopath (people without conscience) and many of these are industry leaders. These unwarranted attacks on environmental matters are widespread and seem to be growing; the most obvious being anything connected to global warming issues.
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:05 PM   #53
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a recent speech I heard said Rachel Carson had more blood on her hands than Stalin and Mao - I thought that was a little strong...
Even if it's true that reduced use of DDT is responsible for millions of avoidable deaths, surely the people with "blood on their hands" are the scientists reporting to governments who recommended the action, and the politicians who implemented it; not an independent writer who drew attention to a problem with the widespread use of the product.
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:10 PM   #54
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What the answer to everything has to say about it:

Critics claim that restricting DDT in vector control have caused unnecessary deaths due to malaria. Estimates range from hundreds of thousands,[115] to millions. Robert Gwadz of the National Institutes of Health said in 2007, "The ban on DDT may have killed 20 million children."[116] These arguments have been dismissed as "outrageous" by former WHO scientist Socrates Litsios. May Berenbaum, University of Illinois entomologist, says, "to blame environmentalists who oppose DDT for more deaths than Hitler is worse than irresponsible."[85] Investigative journalist Adam Sarvana and others characterize this notion as a "myth" promoted principally by Roger Bate of the pro-DDT advocacy group Africa Fighting Malaria (AFM).[117][118]

Criticisms of a DDT "ban" often specifically reference the 1972 US ban (with the erroneous implication that this constituted a worldwide ban and prohibited use of DDT in vector control). Reference is often made to Rachel Carson's Silent Spring even though she never pushed for a ban on DDT. John Quiggin and Tim Lambert wrote, "the most striking feature of the claim against Carson is the ease with which it can be refuted."[119]
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:13 PM   #55
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Even if it's true that reduced use of DDT is responsible for millions of avoidable deaths, surely the people with "blood on their hands" are the scientists reporting to governments who recommended the action, and the politicians who implemented it; not an independent writer who drew attention to a problem with the widespread use of the product.
The point being, is it does not appear to be true, but according to pommie john's link http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3186, the problem stemmed from using too much DDT and causing insect resistance to this chemical and to others less environmentally destructive. DDT is not banned from use in many countries including Africa.
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:21 PM   #56
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DDT is not banned from use in many countries including Africa.
I'd like to point out at this time that Africa is, in fact, not a country...
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:16 PM   #57
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I'd like to point out at this time that Africa is, in fact, not a country...
Ah I do miss the days of the British Empire, things were much simpler then, you either agreed or were shot.
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Old 08-25-2012, 12:08 AM   #58
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I mean selling 4WDs by showing them crashing and bashing through a remote and rugged beautiful desert when buying a 4WD is very unlikely to result in that kind of experience makes it a kind of lie.
strange definition of a lie... Well, it kind of is, when driving them that way on a regular basis, would see most modern 4WDs well and truly @#*%ed, in short order.

Bouncing over boulders, flat chat, my arse.
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Old 08-25-2012, 12:10 AM   #59
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... modern 4WDs well and truly @#*%ed, in short order. most modern humans would be too.
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Old 08-26-2012, 04:39 AM   #60
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