[AOE6q4bu]

>>>In fact on the rare occaisions when atheists are mentioned it's almost always in terms that suggest they are some intellectually deficient sub-species with an unfortunate lack in the all important "spirituality" department"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_Adams

Yeah right.

What does Philip Adams have to do with it? He's one person, has been around for ever, and very rarely discusses rationalist philosophy anyway. In fact he's far more likely to discuss philosophy with someone who doesn't share his views.

I'd expect ABC is becoming more pluralistic and indulging some metaphysics, which isn't at all a bad trend.

We've had quite a few decades of metaphysical impoverishment and ideological abandonment of the authority of subjective experience, so no complaints here.

But it isn't becoming more pluralistic, in fact that is exactly my complaint. It is increasing the time devoted to one philosophical position (which has never been under-represented), with the almost total exclusion of another.

Empiricist objectivity junkies don't exactly give me easy erections.

Straw man argument (and you can keep your erections to yourself thanks).

[Bwvapays]

On the subject of intelligent design, why the term isn't simply turned around and the question of if or if not there is happened upon functional 'design intelligence' in nature, well, it throws me to be honest.

Perhaps because "intelligent design" and systems exhibiting "design intelligence" are two totally different things.

[TOD4wDTQ]

yeah, have to say I'm with the Rev on this one.

[Onervemurce]

“ Has anyone else noticed that Radio National seems to be giving ever increasing time to what might be termed "philosophy and practice of religion" with virtually zero time devoted to rationalist philosophy and ideas? In fact on the rare occaisions when atheists are mentioned it's almost always in terms that suggest they are some intellectually deficient sub-species with an unfortunate lack in the all important "spirituality" department.”

I’ve been wanting to say that for a long time.

Radio National will give four hours to pseudo Buddhist money-grubbing, and on the once-a-year mention of atheism gets the “what’s actually wrong with you, specifically,?” treatment.

Which is ironic.

[neeclindy]

>>>Perhaps because "intelligent design" and systems exhibiting "design intelligence" are two totally different things"

But nature's happened upon 'tricks' that appeal to some in which case some greater power is attributed, it may be nicely brought into the real world by attributing replicators accumulations of design intelligence, at least what appears so. The two assemblies of words aren't so departed as people attribute 'intelligence' to such functional design arrangements, which goes to the desire involved in "intelligent design" that appeals to some.

[ricochettty]

“ Has anyone else noticed that Radio National seems to be giving ever increasing time to what might be termed "philosophy and practice of religion" with virtually zero time devoted to rationalist philosophy and ideas? In fact on the rare occaisions when atheists are mentioned it's almost always in terms that suggest they are some intellectually deficient sub-species with an unfortunate lack in the all important "spirituality" department.”

I’ve been wanting to say that for a long time.

Radio National will give four hours to pseudo Buddhist money-grubbing, and on the once-a-year mention of atheism gets the “what’s actually wrong with you, specifically,?” treatment.

Which is ironic.

Radio National drove me to not listening to anything except a few selected programs and generally by podcast rather than by listening to the radio. The severe drop in interesting or investigative programs that started this year and a sharp rise in rubbish with "pop" type presenters just annoys so much I stopped listening altogether. Interestingly enough the move to the current format seems to have started when they dropped the "Religion Report" (which was interesting and not at all spiritual) at almost no notice a couple of years ago causing, Stephen Crittenden to resign. It finished when they axed all the useful morning content gave me an extra half hour of "the voice with sundry talking heads" every morning.

[Unlinozistimi]

>>>But it isn't becoming more pluralistic, in fact that is exactly my complaint. It is increasing the time devoted to one philosophical position (which has never been under-represented), with the almost total exclusion of another.

Just lay back on the couch there and relax, close your eyes, now, tell me why you find religion and the ABC threatening, tell me of your experiences when a child. What are your earliest memories.

[Eunatis]

Radio National drove me to not listening to anything except a few selected programs and generally by podcast rather than by listening to the radio. The severe drop in interesting or investigative programs that started this year and a sharp rise in rubbish with "pop" type presenters just annoys so much I stopped listening altogether. Interestingly enough the move to the current format seems to have started when they dropped the "Religion Report" (which was interesting and not at all spiritual) at almost no notice a couple of years ago causing, Stephen Crittenden to resign. It finished when they axed all the useful morning content gave me an extra half hour of "the voice with sundry talking heads" every morning.

x heaps.

a few podcasts are all I do now.
Crappy magazine stuff now mostly.

[crestosssa]

it is not so much we find religion threatening, that is simplistic, but that there are so many other outlets for it that we would like some religion free space somewhere.

[2CNWXAqN]

and why i had an email campaign to the lab to get it off the old forum. and was successful as there was hardly any posted there for quite a while.

[MP+4]

>>>But it isn't becoming more pluralistic, in fact that is exactly my complaint. It is increasing the time devoted to one philosophical position (which has never been under-represented), with the almost total exclusion of another.

Just lay back on the couch there and relax, close your eyes, now, tell me why you find religion and thr ABC threatening, tell me of your experiences when a child. What are your earliest memories.

Who said threatening?

It's just a waste of air space ... like any other now.
duplicating light entertainment of the commercials.

[AlbrtJhnsqw]

Should say SBS sometimes gives me similar feelings to what I think maybe is being spoken of in the OP. But there's an off button, plenty of other entertainment, and thankfully anyone can abandon thought in typical spoken language or text and do it in native mentalese, quite puts the ideological apparatus *over there*, a lesson maybe for those that need constant spoken reiterations that get tired of chewing their own food and want to be breast fed by the ABC [or religion]. Anything more than an individual trying to have itself accepted as a force of nature.

[Fertionbratte]

Should say SBS sometimes gives me similar feelings to what I think maybe is being spoken of in the OP. But there's an off button, plenty of other entertainment, and thankfully anyone can abandon thought in typical spoken language or text and do it in native mentalese, quite puts the ideological apparatus *over there*, a lesson maybe for those that need constant spoken reiterations that get tired of chewing their own food and want to be breast fed by the ABC. resistance is futile!

i don't think so.

[GenryDont]

Nah.
Too easy.
It was a vital contributor to thinking ... bringing challenging ideas forward ... nothing like it on any radio station I know.

[apodildNoli]

And here ends my dooguelogue ;-).

[Jifyicyfuhpop]

And here ends my dooguelogue ;-).

aha!
yes.

[pymnConyelell]

>>>...intellectually deficient sub-species......"

Welcome to the world of contrivance, and of the social world, which all but the the most dedicated recluses are party, not much escapes contrivance. Contrivance is a wonderful thing, even necessary.

[Flirigor]

Just left my comment there.

At the risk of Peter B calling me a troll for going off topic, has anyone else noticed that Radio National seems to be giving ever increasing time to what might be termed "philosophy and practice of religion" with virtually zero time devoted to rationalist philosophy and ideas? In fact on the rare occaisions when atheists are mentioned it's almost always in terms that suggest they are some intellectually deficient sub-species with an unfortunate lack in the all important "spirituality" department.

Which programs are you talking about here? Over what time frame?

[DialOne]

Which programs are you talking about here? Over what time frame?

I'm not sure TRG. It's just that recently it seems that every time I turn on RN there is someone talking about religion. I mostly listen early evenings.

As for time frame I'd say about a year, but it could be that it's always been there and I've just noticed it.

[pharmablogger]

>>>...intellectually deficient sub-species......"

Welcome to the world of contrivance, and of the social world, which all but the the most dedicated recluses are party, not much escapes contrivance. Contrivance is a wonderful thing, even necessary.

Usually I can make a reasonable guess at what you are getting at, but this time I'm afraid I haven't a clue.