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MondayBlues 07-24-2009 02:51 AM

T.Paszek Investigated for doping....
 
Austria's Tamira Paszek investigated for violating doping rules
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS (CP) – 3 hours ago

VIENNA — Tamira Paszek of Austria is being investigated by national anti-doping authorities after a medical treatment for a back injury allegedly violated doping regulations.

During Paszek's treatment earlier this month, blood was taken for enrichment and later injected, which is not allowed under international anti-doping rules.

Paszek said she was not aware that the treatment was possibly illegal until a reporter told her after an interview. Paszek alerted the Austrian anti-doping agency NADA, which confirmed Thursday that it was investigating.


The 59th-ranked Paszek has struggled with back problems since last season. She has not played a match since retiring in the first round of Wimbledon.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns

gardenerextraordinaire 07-24-2009 02:54 AM

Oh good grief! http://forum.talkabouttennis.com/images/smilies/mad.png

MondayBlues 07-24-2009 02:57 AM

This is unbelievable http://forum.talkabouttennis.com/ima...lies/frown.png Poor Tamira

enurneAcourdy 07-24-2009 03:06 AM

If she is the one who alerted them, obviously she is not a cheat.

cigattIcTot 07-24-2009 03:06 AM

Well it sounds like she went out of her way to alert officials. I think she won't be severely punished for this. The doctor or trainer or whoever handled this procedure ought to know better.

On the other hand, there have been some ludicrous punishments for doping offenses and Tamira probably should have known better too. I mean, isn't this blood doping?

Hujkmlopes 07-24-2009 03:10 AM

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During Paszek's treatment earlier this month, blood was taken for enrichment and later injected, which is not allowed under international anti-doping rules.


http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news?slu...v=ap&type=lgns
Isn't that what Keith Richards used to do every time the Stones were ready to go out on Tour, and he had to detox off the heroin?

enurneAcourdy 07-24-2009 03:10 AM

Quote:

Well it sounds like she went out of her way to alert officials. I think she won't be severely punished for this. The doctor or trainer or whoever handled this procedure ought to know better.

On the other hand, there have been some ludicrous punishments for doping offenses and Tamira probably should have known better too. I mean, isn't this blood doping?
Blood doping:

n.
The process of increasing the number of circulating red blood cells, either by transfusing an individual with blood that has been previously removed or by administering erythropoietin, in order to increase the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood for improved athletic endurance. Also called blood boosting, blood packing.

http://www.answers.com/topic/blood-boosting

agrismhig 07-24-2009 03:13 AM

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Isn't that what Keith Richards used to do every time the Stones were ready to go out on Tour, and he had to detox off the heroin?
Rumor is Keith used to have complete transfusions Moose.

cigattIcTot 07-24-2009 03:13 AM

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Blood doping:

n.
The process of increasing the number of circulating red blood cells, either by transfusing an individual with blood that has been previously removed or by administering erythropoietin, in order to increase the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood for improved athletic endurance. Also called blood boosting, blood packing.

http://www.answers.com/topic/blood-boosting
Is the rule she broke the same rule that prevents blood doping?

Hujkmlopes 07-24-2009 03:14 AM

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Is the rule she broke the same rule that prevents blood doping?
They are saying her blood was withdrawn, "enriched", then re-injected, I believe. IT has to be the enrichment part where something happened that makes it a doping issue, Munchin.

Hujkmlopes 07-24-2009 03:16 AM

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Rumor is Keith used to have complete transfusions Moose.
I think it went beyond rumor, Ti. It was pretty well documented in "Up and Down With The Rolling Stones". The guy was totally strung out, and then one week later, after a visit to a Swiss clinic, he was ready to do 2 hour shows night after night. Freaky. But they were so good live in that mid 70s through late 80s stretch. I saw some Stones shows that are easily among the best concerts I saw my entire life.

enurneAcourdy 07-24-2009 03:17 AM

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Is the rule she broke the same rule that prevents blood doping?
I have no idea. Does it matter what it was enriched with? We may be reading a report twice as long as Gasquet's in a few months. http://forum.talkabouttennis.com/ima...lies/frown.png

freevideom 07-24-2009 03:57 AM

I sat in on a doping talk the ITF gave to juniors and it was insane. There are so many ways you could screw up without even knowing. Coming forward was a big boost for her. Hopefully it won't amount to anything.

GrileVege 07-24-2009 03:58 AM

Well there are certainly parts of Tamira that don't need to be enriched. Seeing as how she's not a Dr., isn't there some implicit trust you should have that they won't compromise her career? I'm sure the Dr. knew she was a pro tennis player and there had to be some discussion as to what can and can't be done.

freevideom 07-24-2009 04:03 AM

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Well there are certainly parts of Tamira that don't need to be enriched. Seeing as how she's not a Dr., isn't there some implicit trust you should have that they won't compromise her career? I'm sure the Dr. knew she was a pro tennis player and there had to be some discussion as to what can and can't be done.
Sometimes even the doctors don't know. In that seminar they're told they and they alone are responsible for each and every thing that goes in their body and if they have questions, call them. The freakiest thing was, even if supplements or whatever say they don't have something in them, if it does you're still responsible. It's so tough.

GrileVege 07-24-2009 04:12 AM

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Sometimes even the doctors don't know. In that seminar they're told they and they alone are responsible for each and every thing that goes in their body and if they have questions, call them. The freakiest thing was, even if supplements or whatever say they don't have something in them, if it does you're still responsible. It's so tough.
Seems like it's all gone just a bit too far. You would hope a balanced diet would give you what you need without any supplements. The onus should be on the Dr. for any procedures they perform, because if you're under general anesthesia you have no say.

MondayBlues 07-24-2009 05:03 PM

What if they decide that...

1. A blood doping offense DID occur (no dispute there) and...

2. Paszek didn't know that she was committing a doping offense...

Are they obligated to punish the offense just because it occurred? From what I read, it sounds like they go way out of their way to punish offenses just because they "happened" intentional or not http://forum.talkabouttennis.com/ima...lies/frown.png

Paszek did the responsible thing and came forward. I think it would be good to...just acknowledge this happened and leave it at that with a warning that Paszek needs to pay VERY close attention to what the doctors are doing to her at all times.

Hujkmlopes 07-24-2009 05:08 PM

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What if they decide that...

1. A blood doping offense DID occur (no dispute there) and...

2. Paszek didn't know that she was committing a doping offense...
Coria claimed that the substance that was found in his system was present in a non-steroid, over the counter supplement he used. It made no difference to the ATP - what mattered was that a substance on their banned list was found in his system. So I would be almost certain that whether she knew what happened was a violation does not change the fact that she violated the rules, and will be punished. Theo nly thing I can think is that her claiming ignorance of the violation might get her a lesser penalty.

Muramoursuard 07-24-2009 06:16 PM

Tamira doesn't need anymore issues. Good grief. She does get massive kudos for alerting the Austria Anti-Dopping committee though, hopefully that'll say more for this situation that her breaking the rules. Especially since she isn't playing right now and all.

SannyGlow 07-24-2009 08:32 PM

I don't understand why a doctor on the WTA tour would take blood and then re-inject it. They would have to know that's blood doping.


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