[Lt_Apple]

I favor dispersion by repatriation.

Americans should be able to have a national referendum on what groups to exclude and what to admit, so immigration can be used to preserve the proper demographics of this country and exclude Muslims, Communists, and anyone else we don't need and to whom we owe nothing.

People that do not put American nationalism first should be excluded because we don't need them. The world is full of people willing and eager to be good US citizens. We can and should pick and choose according to what serves our interests. My ancestors willingly and eagerly and fully assimilated, so I find it fair to demand that of others.

[Peptobismol]

From Article

The vast majority of terrorist attacks were carried out by separatist terror groups targeting France and Spain. Almost all attacks "resulted only in material damage and were not intended to kill," the report's authors write. However, Islamist attacks such as the German plot and the foiled airplane mass bomb attacks (more...) in the United Kingdom were aimed at mass casualities, the report points out. As a result, "investigations into Islamist terrorism are clearly a priority for member states' law enforcement," the report writes.

...and were not intended to kill, this is the thing though isn't it. ETA take out a floor on a multi story car park, southern French wine growers burn a truck full of Italian wine and smear a wall or two with gun powder burns. It's about public resources versus terrorist intentions.

[S.T.D.]

Exactly. Also, if Andak's point is that only 1 SUCCESSFUL terrorist attack out of 500 (if the definition of terrorist attack is good in the study to begin with), is s a sign that all Muslims are nicey, nicey, his own source betrays him, as usual.

How does that work? I'd rather live with 500:1 odds or even less if it didn't mean living in an upside down society cowered and bullied.

I'd say the authorities are doing a good job at preventing Islamic terrorism, so 1/2 of all arrests are in a community that makes up what 3-5% of all of Europe? The result is one SUCESSFUL attack, and a dispropotionate number of arrests of Muslims given their population base.
I'd say no. All of the US cases and there have been precious few have more or less fallen apart and resulted in B.S. convictions. The very fact that it took years to get a conviction on Padilla today means that the system they erected to handle this is not functioning. The idea that they have a bunch of people locked up in Cuba with no clear way to expedite anything means that they're making it up as they go along. It's one thing to convict someone wrongly and 20 years later they're exonerated and freed, but we'll be talking about these guys for 20 years and it will turn out that some of them are not only innocent but that they were never even charged. I'm not so sure you want to cheer about that.

You know in jurisprudence if there's no law to prosecute someone you have to let them go, even if you think they're guilty. That's the way our system works. So instead of talking about the justification for holding someone outside of the law the US DoJ should have been working to erect new laws that actually work and allow them to prosecute people. The claim that they are hamstrung by their own secrecy is lame.

[Peptobismol]

Actually no. In 2006, six people were killed by attacks in Western Europe and 35 injured. None of those were victims of Islamists. Refer to the Rand terrorism database. http://www.tkb.org/

Right, 6 murdered, 35 injured, 150 odd attacks in 2006. How many groups though, and based over what, 10 months? At a quick glance I count 8, to say nothing of the Unknowns.

Lets have a look at the fatalities in Spain & France (there were no fatalities elsewhere in Western Europe that year).

Dec. 30, 2006 : 2 die as a result of van bomb at an airport. A member of ETA called warning of the device prior to its detonation. The two men killed were both Ecuadorian immigrants who were sleeping in vehicles in the garage. Despicable, inexcusable but not intended, and odds are ETA attacks will not claim lives. You only need look at the list of ETA attacks to see this.

Feb. 6, 2006 : The First of October Antifascist Resistance Group (GRAPO) claimed responsibility for the attempted kidnapping of Colell, who was seriously injured in the attack and his wife, Isabel Herero was killed by the assailants.

Jan. 23, 2006 : The Corsican National Liberation Front (FLNC) claimed responsibility for an attempted attack targeting a local tax office in mainland France. During the attack, one member of the FLNC, was killed while planting the bomb.

Aug. 17, 2006 : Two men killed when the bomb they were attempting to plant detonated prematurely. The perpetrators were found in Corte, on the island of Corsica. Group unknown.

So that's two unintended deaths, three home goals and one intentional killing of a kidnap victim.

Yet the previous year on July 7, 2005 over fifty people were murdered and about 700 more injured in four suicide bomb blasts on public transportation in the U.K. The work of Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigade.

The difference is that Islamic terrorist organisations go for the throat every time, they never give warnings and when they score they score big. Hence the need to focus the vast majority of public resources on them.

[Ifroham4]

No I'm not all that worried about terrorism in general. I'll take those odds.

[Lt_Apple]

No I'm not all that worried about terrorism in general. I'll take those odds.

This is a true galuti disposition.