[Slonopotam845]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...sts/index.html

More proof that converts to Islam are a potential fifth column, which is why public pressure and intolerance should be used to deter conversion.

"German media identified the two Germans -- both converts to Islam -- as Fritz G., 28, and Daniel S. 22; the Turkish man was identified as Adem Y., 29."

I have heard men described as potential rapists.

[radikal]

sounds like horsesh|t

[HedgeYourBets]

sounds like horsesh|t

No, its using the same type of logic. Most terrorists are Muslims and most rapists are men.

You may even find that the percentage of men who become rapists is larger than the percentage of converts to Islam who become terrorists.

[softy54534]

No, its using the same type of logic. Most terrorists are Muslims and most rapists are men.

No, it's not the same type of logic. It is no secret that converts (to any religion mind you) are often times more religious/fundamentalist/radical then people born into a religion. This is also true of secular people who one day become religious. At the very least, in my experience, these 2 groups are extremely judgmental and love to lecture.

[LottiFurmann]

Well there ain't nutin more annoying and preachy then an ex-smoker, that's for sure.

[softy54534]

No, it's not the same type of logic. It is no secret that converts (to any religion mind you) are often times more religious/fundamentalist/radical then people born into a religion. This is also true of secular people who one day become religious. At the very least, in my experience, these 2 groups are extremely judgmental and love to lecture.

Both generalizations are nonsense. Most converts to Islam are not terrorists and most men are not rapists.

[Ifroham4]

Both generalizations are nonsense. Most converts to Islam are not terrorists and most men are not rapists.

But acknowledging that converts, as I said to any religion, are generally more radical/religious/fundamentalist then those born into the religion is not nonsense and certainly something to watch out for and analyze.

[S.T.D.]

"Both generalizations are nonsense. Most converts to Islam are not terrorists and most men are not rapists."

Key difference being that "rape" is not an expansionist ideology with the goal of transforming society based on its politico-religious model. Not many Nazi Party civilians actually pulled triggers, but they shared an ideology with those who did.

Another difference is that the only reason a person would convert to a fundamentalist religion outside his/her culture is from a profound loathing of that culture. Such a cultural rejection coupled with adoption of an enemy religion makes converts doubly dangerous.

So you think that if one of your neighbors converts to Islam they hate America? You think that all Muslims want to force a caliphate and Sharia law on the rest of us?

How many Muslims do you know personally?

[Paul Bunyan]

But acknowledging that converts, as I said to any religion, are generally more radical/religious/fundamentalist then those born into the religion is not nonsense and certainly something to watch out for and analyze.

There is a big difference between being fervent in a new belief and being a terrorist, Yala.

[Ifroham4]

There is a big difference between being fervent in a new belief and being a terrorist, Yala.

True, but in certain religions (in this day and age especially) there exists a correlation and this cannot be ignored. I remember reading an article by a Rabbi who exclusively converts Jews back to Judiasm, converting back Jews who were born Jews but converted to other religions. Anyhow, this Rabbi specifically said that even though the convert numbers are small, it is extremely difficult to convert Jews who converted to Islam back to Judaism b/c they are often extremely anti-west and and many in a short time had become radical. This Rabbi was by no means a bigot, he was merely stating his experience and it was very eye opening and interesting. I will try to find the article.

[PhillipHer]

True, but in certain religions (in this day and age especially) there exists a correlation and this cannot be ignored. I remember reading an article by a Rabbi who exclusively converts Jews back to Judiasm, converting back Jews who were born Jews but converted to other religions. Anyhow, this Rabbi specifically said that even though the convert numbers are small, it is extremely difficult to convert Jews who converted to Islam back to Judaism b/c they are often extremely anti-west and and many in a short time had become radical. This Rabbi was by no means a bigot, he was merely stating his experience and it was very eye opening and interesting. I will try to find the article.

Well, Adam Yahiye Gadahn (born Adam Pearlman), the English-language spokesman for Al Qaeda, would certainly be a prime example of that. He is what I would term a terrorist and he was a convert to Islam.

So, yes, some converts do hate the west, and some do become terrorists, though I still think the latter are few.

[PhillipHer]

Well, Adam Yahiye Gadahn (born Adam Pearlman), the English-language spokesman for Al Qaeda, would certainly be a prime example of that. He is what I would term a terrorist and he was a convert to Islam.

Adam Gadahn was not Jewish though, only his father was. And let's not forget this prize:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=DabIO_gwR...elated&search=

I should add that this lunatic recently posted a parody of the murder of Daniel Pearl on Youtube, I won't link to it though.

So, yes, some converts do hate the west, and some do become terrorists, though I still think the latter are few. Well the matter is worth studying at least, and I am sure the gov't is doing so.

[brraverishhh]

German authorities watch increasing conversions to Islam with concern
05 September 2007

Berlin (dpa) - The German authorities are watching the rising tide of conversion to Islam with some concern, the daily Berliner Zeitung reported Thursday.

The newspaper cited figures compiled by a Muslim group that showed that 4,000 Germans had converted last year, compared with just 1,000 in 2005.

It was common knowledge that the German authorities were monitoring converts to Islam closely, it said.

Quoting Interior Ministry officials, the newspaper said there had been a rise internationally in the number of converts involved in Islamist terrorist acts.

Among them are "shoe bomber" Richard Reid, a Briton who tried to blow up an American Airlines flight in December 2001, and Muriel Degauque, a Belgian suicide bomber who blew herself up in Iraq in November 2005.

Guido Steinberg, who researches Islamic issues, said extremists were targeting new converts, and terrorist expert Rolf Tophoven said converts tended to be fanatical.

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http://www.expatica.com/actual/artic...story_id=43596