[durootrium]

I don´t want to loose too much words, but just remind you at my posts about Gadaffi, and first of all, the interview with Gadaffi:
http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/war-...interview.html

Listen to the Libyian people:
A Libyan Girl's Message to Obama & NATO on Their Aggression on Libya - YouTube

Anti-Nato demonstration in Tripoli, over one million people:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=xvfAuwGOtKg


Read that ariticle:

Libya War Lies Worse Than Iraq

By Thomas C. Mountain

July 23, 2011 "Information Clearing House" --- Asmara, Eritrea: The lies used to justify the NATO war against Libya have surpassed those created to justify the invasion of Iraq. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch both had honest observers on the ground for months following the rebellion in eastern Libya and both have repudiated every major charge used to justify the NATO war on Libya.

According to the Amnesty observer, who is fluent in Arabic, there is not one confirmed instance of rape by the pro-Gadaffi fighters, not even a doctor who knew of one. All the Viagra mass rape stories were fabrications.

Amnesty could not verify a single “African mercenary” fighting for Gaddafi story, and the highly charged international satellite television accounts of African mercenaries raping women that were used to panic much of the eastern Libyan population into fleeing their homes were fabrications.

There were no confirmed accounts of helicopter gun ships attacking civilians and no jet fighters bombing people which completely invalidates any justification for the No-Fly Zone inSecurity Council resolution used as an excuse for NATO to launch its attacks on Libya.

After three months on the ground in rebel controlled territory, the Amnesty investigator could only confirm 110 deaths in Benghazi which included Gadaffi supporters.

Only 110 dead in Benghazi? Wait a minute, we were told thousands had died there, ten thousand even. No, only 110 lost their lives including pro-government people.

No rapes, no African mercenaries, no helicopter gun ships or bombers, and only 110 ten deaths prior to the launch of the NATO bombing campaign, every reason was based on a lie.

Today according to the Libyan Red Crescent Society, over 1,100 civilians have been killed by NATO bombs including over 400 women and children. Over 6,000 Libyan civilians have been injured or wounded by the bombing, many very seriously.

Compared to the war on Iraq, these numbers are tiny, but the reasons for the Libyan war have no merit in any form.

Saddam Hussein was evil, he invaded his neighbors in wars that killed up to a million. He used Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD’s) in the form of poison gas on both his neighbors and his own people, killing tens of thousands. He was brutal and corrupt and when American tanks rolled into Iraq the Iraqi people refused to fight for him, simply put their weapons down and went home.

Libya under Col. Gadaffi hasn’t invaded their neighbors. Gadaffi never used WMD’s on anyone, let alone his own people. As for Gadaffi being brutal, in Libya’s neighbor Algeria, the Algerian military fought a counterinsurgency for a decade in the 1990’s that witnessed the deaths of some 200,000 Algerians. Now that is brutal and nothing anywhere near this has happened in Libya.

In Egypt and Tunisia, western puppets like Mubarak and Ben Ali had almost no support amongst their people with few if anyone willing to fight and die to defend them.

The majority of the Libyan people are rallying behind the Libyan government and “the leader”, Muammar Gadaffi, with over one million people demonstrating in support on July 1 in Tripoli, the capital of Libya. Thousands of Libyan youth are on the front lines fighting the rebels and despite thousands of NATO air strikes authentic journalists on the ground in western Libya report their morale remains high.

In Egypt the popular explosion that resulted in the Army seizing power from Mubarak began in the very poorest neighborhoods in Cairo and other Egyptian cities where the price of basic food items like bread, sugar and cooking oil had skyrocketed and lead to widespread hunger. In many parts of Egypt's poor neighborhoods gasoline/benzene is easier to find then clean drinking water. Medical care and education is only for those with the money to pay for it. Life for the people of Tunisia is not that much better.

In contrast, the Libyan people have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world. The Libyan people have the best, free public health system in the Arab world. The Libyan people have the best, free public education system in the Arab world. Most Libyan families own their own home and most Libyan families own their own automobile. Libya is so much better off then its neighbors every year tens of thousands of Egyptians and Tunisians migrated to Libya to earn money to feed their families, doing the dirty work the Libyan people refused to do.

When it comes to how Gadaffi oversaw a dramatic rise in the standard of living for the Libyan people despite decades of UN inSecurity Council sanctions against the Libyan economy honest observers acknowledge that Gadaffi stands head and shoulders above the kings, sheiks, emirs and various dictators who rule the rest of the Arab world.

So why did NATO launch this war against Libya?

First of all Gadaffi was on the verge of creating a new banking system in Africa that was going to put the IMF, World Bank and assorted other western banksters out of business in Africa. No more predatory western loans used to cripple African economies, instead a $42 billion dollar African Investment Bank would be supplying major loans at little or even zero interest rates.

LIbya has funded major infrastructure projects across Africa that have begun to link up African economies and break the perpetual dependency on the western countries for imports have been taking place. Here in Eritrea the new road connecting Eritrea and Sudan is just one small example.

What seem to have finally tipped the balance in favor of direct western military intervention was the reported demand by Gadaffi that the USA oil companies who have long been major players in the Libyan petroleum industry were going to have to compensate Libya to the tune of tens of billions of dollars for the damage done to the Libyan economy by the USA instigated “Lockerbie Bombing” sanctions imposed by the UN inSecurity Council throughout the 1990’s into early 2000’s. This is based on the unearthing of evidence that the CIA paid millions of dollars to witnesses in the Lockerbie Bombing trial to change their stories to implicate Libya which was used as the basis for the very damaging UN sanctions against Libya. The government of the USA lied and damaged Libya so the USA oil companies were going to have to pay up to cover the cost of their governments actions. Not hard to see why Gadaffi had to go isn't it?

Add the fact that Gadaffi had signaled clearly that he saw both Libya’s and Africa’s future economic development linked more to China and Russia rather than the west and it was just a matter of time before the CIA’s contingency plan to overthrow the Libyan government was put on the front burner.

NATO’s war against Libya has much more in common with NATO’s Kosovo war against Serbia. But one still cannot compare Gadaffi to Saddam or even the much smaller time criminals in the Serbian leadership. The Libyan War lies are worse than Iraq.

Source:
Libya War Lies Worse Than Iraq : Information Clearing House: ICH


My opinion:
This is not liberation, it is the contrary.

[leareliovag]

I hope Obama appreciates the irony here.

He encouraged these kind of conspiracy theories just a few short years ago.

[Swidemaiskikemu]

I hope Obama appreciates the irony here.

He encouraged these kind of conspiracy theories just a few short years ago.

I put some evidence into the post. Just watch the videos...

[zoolissentesy]

Amnesty Internationals reported inability to find something in a country where all foreign press and NGOs are chaperoned is hardly evidence of anything.

[ElegeExcest]

Amnesty Internationals reported inability to find something in a country where all foreign press and NGOs are chaperoned is hardly evidence of anything.

And that´s an evidence for that crimes?
And by my information, the red cross is free to move all around there e.g.

Remember: Over one million people came together for a demonstration.
Libya´s population: 6.461.454.
Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, whom to liberate there?
Only a conspiracy theorie can be true, what our governments and medias tell us, is apparently a pack of lies.

[sandyphoebetvmaa]

I can't believe that in this day and age there are still people around who are against the ousting of murderous dictators like Daffy and Madman Hussein and that, at the start of the 21st Century, they would like to see people still living under brutal, murderous dictators.

However, we should just ignore these people's very dangerous and unpopular views. Our Boys and Girls of the RAF are doing a wonderful job in Libya - and so too, by all accounts, are the SAS.

When Libya becomes a free, democratic and prosperous society it'll be countries like Britain than the Libyans will be thanking for decades more, not countries like Germany who have governments, and too many people, who stood back and continually did nothing against Daffy even when other countries in the international community did so.

Maybe, for decades to come, the Libyans will send Britain a gift every year as a "thank you" for liberating it against evil, just as Norway sends Britain a Christmas tree every year, which is put on display in Trafalgar Square, as a "thank you" for ridding that country of the Germans.

[foodselfdourileka]

I can't believe that in this day and age there are still people around who are against the ousting of like Daffy and Madman Hussein and that, at the start of the 21st Century, they would like to see people still living under brutal, murderous dictators.

However, we should just ignore these people's very dangerous and unpopular views. Our Boys and Girls of the RAF are doing a wonderful job in Libya - and so too, by all accounts, are the SAS.

When Libya becomes a free, democratic and prosperous society it'll be countries like Britain than the Libyans will be thanking for decades more, not countries like Germany who have governments, and too many people, who stood back and continually did nothing against Daffy even when other countries in the international community did so.

Maybe, for decades to come, the Libyans will send Britain a gift every year as a "thank you" for liberating it against evil, just as Norway sends Britain a Christmas tree every year, which is put on display in Trafalgar Square, as a "thank you" for ridding that country of the Germans.

Dear Sir Drinkalot. Listed below: The best friends of a "murderous dictator".















Don´t be a victim of their propaganda, SirD.
Watch the vids I posted and see, that he is the favorite of the Libyian people.
The only murderous actions in Libya are the Nato bombings.

[NudiJuicervich]

Revenge is a dish best served cold...

[HoqCBYMl]

I can't believe that in this day and age there are still people around who are against the ousting of murderous dictators like Daffy and Madman Hussein and that, at the start of the 21st Century, they would like to see people still living under brutal, murderous dictators.

However, we should just ignore these people's very dangerous and unpopular views. Our Boys and Girls of the RAF are doing a wonderful job in Libya - and so too, by all accounts, are the SAS.

When Libya becomes a free, democratic and prosperous society it'll be countries like Britain than the Libyans will be thanking for decades more, not countries like Germany who have governments, and too many people, who stood back and continually did nothing against Daffy even when other countries in the international community did so.

Maybe, for decades to come, the Libyans will send Britain a gift every year as a "thank you" for liberating it against evil, just as Norway sends Britain a Christmas tree every year, which is put on display in Trafalgar Square, as a "thank you" for ridding that country of the Germans.

Of course they will. After all, the British Empire and MI 6 have always been a beacon of freedom and light. Pity that the sun set on it.

[JTS_tv]

And that´s an evidence for that crimes?
And by my information, the red cross is free to move all around there e.g.

Remember: Over one million people came together for a demonstration.
Libya´s population: 6.461.454.
Libya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, whom to liberate there?
Only a conspiracy theorie can be true, what our governments and medias tell us, is apparently a pack of lies.

It is not, and neither is your "evidence" anything. It is however quite telling that the investigators are chaperoned about on a schedule. Makes it seem like there's something to hide when you can only inspect on the guided tour.

[Âåðåùàãèí]

It is not, and neither is your "evidence" anything. It is however quite telling that the investigators are chaperoned about on a schedule. Makes it seem like there's something to hide when you can only inspect on the guided tour.

Where is that telling that?
Are you blind? Or deaf?

While the entire western media world hushes up, the the Libyan people are united behind Gadaffi and leads us to believe that the rebel´s war is a war of liberation, you invent a Libyan limiation for investigators.
That's just ridiculous.

There are no "investigators". Only on the side of the rebels. Then they are telling their lies.
Go away with your lies, dear journalists and investigators.
One party of liars!

That´s Libya:


Have you seen such pictures on television, reality?
No? Just saw a fat stupid "journalist", who was telling that the evil regime forces some few people (captured "rebels") to demonstrate for Gadaffi?

[liontutuxx]

I see, it just makes no sense.
You have no self-criticism.

Either, the truth gets stupid denials, or nothing.

So lets celebrate the liberation of Libya!

They will have elections and they can vote soon - if they reach the poll site alive.

Bombs, hijacking, anarchy, tortrure prisons, islamism, hunger, regression are an attribute of liberated countries.
But hey - its democracy - because they have elections...

And when the mortal enemy could be useful again, hey lets talk!

Lets put the Taliban into power again! Elections?
Cautious Optimism: Germany Mediates Secret US-Taliban Talks - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

I know, what these elections are worth...
Cause I live in a liberated country.

[pKgGpUlF]

So lets celebrate the liberation of Libya!

Amen.

[tabcdyop]

I don´t want to loose too much words, but just remind you at my posts about Gadaffi, and first of all, the interview with Gadaffi:
http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/war-...interview.html

Listen to the Libyian people:
A Libyan Girl's Message to Obama & NATO on Their Aggression on Libya - YouTube

Anti-Nato demonstration in Tripoli, over one million people:
1Million+ Libyan Civilians Protest Against NATO And Its Rebels Attacks 01 07 11 (1) In Libya - YouTube
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-f...article10.html


Read that ariticle:

Libya War Lies Worse Than Iraq

By Thomas C. Mountain

July 23, 2011 "Information Clearing House" --- Asmara, Eritrea: The lies used to justify the NATO war against Libya have surpassed those created to justify the invasion of Iraq. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch both had honest observers on the ground for months following the rebellion in eastern Libya and both have repudiated every major charge used to justify the NATO war on Libya.

According to the Amnesty observer, who is fluent in Arabic, there is not one confirmed instance of rape by the pro-Gadaffi fighters, not even a doctor who knew of one. All the Viagra mass rape stories were fabrications.

Amnesty could not verify a single “African mercenary” fighting for Gaddafi story, and the highly charged international satellite television accounts of African mercenaries raping women that were used to panic much of the eastern Libyan population into fleeing their homes were fabrications.

There were no confirmed accounts of helicopter gun ships attacking civilians and no jet fighters bombing people which completely invalidates any justification for the No-Fly Zone inSecurity Council resolution used as an excuse for NATO to launch its attacks on Libya.

After three months on the ground in rebel controlled territory, the Amnesty investigator could only confirm 110 deaths in Benghazi which included Gadaffi supporters.

Only 110 dead in Benghazi? Wait a minute, we were told thousands had died there, ten thousand even. No, only 110 lost their lives including pro-government people.

No rapes, no African mercenaries, no helicopter gun ships or bombers, and only 110 ten deaths prior to the launch of the NATO bombing campaign, every reason was based on a lie.

Today according to the Libyan Red Crescent Society, over 1,100 civilians have been killed by NATO bombs including over 400 women and children. Over 6,000 Libyan civilians have been injured or wounded by the bombing, many very seriously.

Compared to the war on Iraq, these numbers are tiny, but the reasons for the Libyan war have no merit in any form.

Saddam Hussein was evil, he invaded his neighbors in wars that killed up to a million. He used Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD’s) in the form of poison gas on both his neighbors and his own people, killing tens of thousands. He was brutal and corrupt and when American tanks rolled into Iraq the Iraqi people refused to fight for him, simply put their weapons down and went home.

Libya under Col. Gadaffi hasn’t invaded their neighbors. Gadaffi never used WMD’s on anyone, let alone his own people. As for Gadaffi being brutal, in Libya’s neighbor Algeria, the Algerian military fought a counterinsurgency for a decade in the 1990’s that witnessed the deaths of some 200,000 Algerians. Now that is brutal and nothing anywhere near this has happened in Libya.

In Egypt and Tunisia, western puppets like Mubarak and Ben Ali had almost no support amongst their people with few if anyone willing to fight and die to defend them.

The majority of the Libyan people are rallying behind the Libyan government and “the leader”, Muammar Gadaffi, with over one million people demonstrating in support on July 1 in Tripoli, the capital of Libya. Thousands of Libyan youth are on the front lines fighting the rebels and despite thousands of NATO air strikes authentic journalists on the ground in western Libya report their morale remains high.

In Egypt the popular explosion that resulted in the Army seizing power from Mubarak began in the very poorest neighborhoods in Cairo and other Egyptian cities where the price of basic food items like bread, sugar and cooking oil had skyrocketed and lead to widespread hunger. In many parts of Egypt's poor neighborhoods gasoline/benzene is easier to find then clean drinking water. Medical care and education is only for those with the money to pay for it. Life for the people of Tunisia is not that much better.

In contrast, the Libyan people have the longest life expectancy in the Arab world. The Libyan people have the best, free public health system in the Arab world. The Libyan people have the best, free public education system in the Arab world. Most Libyan families own their own home and most Libyan families own their own automobile. Libya is so much better off then its neighbors every year tens of thousands of Egyptians and Tunisians migrated to Libya to earn money to feed their families, doing the dirty work the Libyan people refused to do.

When it comes to how Gadaffi oversaw a dramatic rise in the standard of living for the Libyan people despite decades of UN inSecurity Council sanctions against the Libyan economy honest observers acknowledge that Gadaffi stands head and shoulders above the kings, sheiks, emirs and various dictators who rule the rest of the Arab world.

So why did NATO launch this war against Libya?

First of all Gadaffi was on the verge of creating a new banking system in Africa that was going to put the IMF, World Bank and assorted other western banksters out of business in Africa. No more predatory western loans used to cripple African economies, instead a $42 billion dollar African Investment Bank would be supplying major loans at little or even zero interest rates.

LIbya has funded major infrastructure projects across Africa that have begun to link up African economies and break the perpetual dependency on the western countries for imports have been taking place. Here in Eritrea the new road connecting Eritrea and Sudan is just one small example.

What seem to have finally tipped the balance in favor of direct western military intervention was the reported demand by Gadaffi that the USA oil companies who have long been major players in the Libyan petroleum industry were going to have to compensate Libya to the tune of tens of billions of dollars for the damage done to the Libyan economy by the USA instigated “Lockerbie Bombing” sanctions imposed by the UN inSecurity Council throughout the 1990’s into early 2000’s. This is based on the unearthing of evidence that the CIA paid millions of dollars to witnesses in the Lockerbie Bombing trial to change their stories to implicate Libya which was used as the basis for the very damaging UN sanctions against Libya. The government of the USA lied and damaged Libya so the USA oil companies were going to have to pay up to cover the cost of their governments actions. Not hard to see why Gadaffi had to go isn't it?

Add the fact that Gadaffi had signaled clearly that he saw both Libya’s and Africa’s future economic development linked more to China and Russia rather than the west and it was just a matter of time before the CIA’s contingency plan to overthrow the Libyan government was put on the front burner.

NATO’s war against Libya has much more in common with NATO’s Kosovo war against Serbia. But one still cannot compare Gadaffi to Saddam or even the much smaller time criminals in the Serbian leadership. The Libyan War lies are worse than Iraq.

Source:
Libya War Lies Worse Than Iraq : Information Clearing House: ICH


My opinion:
This is not liberation, it is the contrary.

People in the US military like Lt Colonel Oliver North, who fancy themselves to be James Bond types, are proud of the lies they tell. The lies go under the heading of Psychological Operations, and the Associated Press seems happy to print all of this kind of bullshit that they can manufacture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychol...(United_States)

[outsitWrord]

My opinion:
This is not liberation, it is the contrary.

Lets pretend for a moment that you, and your sources, are correct. Why should i care? Realpolitik is a bitch.

[ManHolDenPoker]

Lets pretend for a moment that you, and your sources, are correct.
You can´t deny that I am right, those picture are there. They can´t lie.



Why should i care? Realpolitik is a bitch.

What about our reputation?
You don´t care, if your country is one of the worst countries in reputation?

Germany is the is most popular country in the world.





And don´t you care about the people in Libya? They lose thier wealth, their freedom. Many of them will turn into anti-west extremists...

[pushokalex1]

That doesn't make any sense. How can a negative percent of the population have a poor view of America?

[KernJetenue]

That doesn't make any sense. How can a negative percent of the population have a poor view of America?

Maybe, all below zero means the % of people who think that "named country" has a negative influence on the world. IDK.

[smokeberly]

Sadly we will regret the day we let the "rebels" use us to topple daffy..

The "rebels" seem to hate us an the UN more then they hated daffy, yet we gave them weapons, money and training.. Sounds almost liek afganistan in the 80's.. no? the differance is these "rebels" will have now have BILLIONS from oil to spend on whatever they want.

Obama has created a new hotbed of training for islamic fundementalists who want to turn Lybia into a shira law ruled country..

Its gonna be a fun 10 years...

[BeaseHoca]

What about our reputation?
You don´t care, if your country is one of the worst countries in reputation?

People will always hate/envy those at the top. If Libya never happened they'd find something else.

And don´t you care about the people in Libya? They lose thier wealth, their freedom. Many of them will turn into anti-west extremists...

You assume, of course, that your sources are right when it comes to the mood of Libyans. You're right, pictures can't lie. However, tthe people taking and presenting them can.

Time to grow up, bleipriester