I know older Vietnamese who would disagree with you. To this day, they refuse to call Saigon "Ho Chi Minh City".

Well, yeah, except for the tens of thousands of people who were murdered by the Vietnamese government after the US left.

For them, it didn't work out "wonderfully"......

yes you're right, the khmer rouge the re-education camps etc.

The Khmer Rouge weren't in VN.

uhm yes I know that......we are talking of Vietnam, which didn't exist in a vacuum, he was talking of murder, defenseless people, the war.....I think we can squeeze them in, Laos too.

Are you suggesting its either or? What kind of logic is that?

Andrew

absolutely. fuckheads abound!

You mean the the people who betrayed their own by allying with the aggressor?

What about the hundreds of thousands murdered by US troops? How about the children still maimed and murdered by your land mines today?

Your belligerent presence didn't exactly work out wonderfully for them did it?

The fact is that there was no domino effect and no communist ability to take over the world, and when the communists eventually saw the end of the american occupation they prospered quite fine.

Andrew

Whether or not some Vietnamese would have preferred to see even more of their countrymen be murdered is irrelevant.

The fact is Vietnam prospered, that cannot be denied.

Andrew

I should have known better than expect you to put aside your hatred of the US to consider the murders committed by the Vietnamese government after the US left.

Never mind - just keep up your usual "I hate America" schtick and I won't present Amy more inconvenient facts.

Matt

hundreds of thousands? http://www.uspoliticsonline.net/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

and if you did some homework I think you would find several of the nations in that era, Malaysia, Thailand et al were in fact very concerned and petitioning the US to act.

What should i consider?

What would America do to collaborators?

Why are you ignoring the huge number of murders of innocent people committed by America? Surely your jingoistic fanaticism about your own country can't blind you to this?

But in any case, your just a one note troll, i have come to expect nothing of any substance or honesty from you.

Andrew

and still counting.

Andrew

You calculations of numbers are always so full of fail everyone just laughs at you and it undermines your own points that could be more valid, if not for the hysterics. Just like your fantastical computations of how many we've killed in Iraq.

Lovely unsupported statement. Tell me, o' Seer of History, how many VN civilians died during the time we were militarily active there?

Still shoot "YES".....Kick Butt ......"Fraid "NOT" ! There is no comparison possible of WWII to Korea, Vietnam, or any since. They resemble "power run amock" !

Until one does a hitch in the service they will never learn to appreciate the the incredible number of complete ass holes that are all part of of the cheerful fat assed screwed up F''ng society we all belong to http://www.uspoliticsonline.net/imag...lies/smile.gif

The only "sensible" ? thing we seem to have learned to do is to cull out the healthyiest, youngest, strongest members among us by sending them to fight wars that we usually find out later were useless gestures.

God I love life ! There's no way of loose if you learn to live in the cracks.

Vaya Con Dios

According to Wiki, from 1959-1972:

South Vietnamese civilian dead: 1,581,000*
Cambodian civilian dead: ~700,000*
North Vietnamese civilian dead: ~2,000,000
Laotian civilian dead: ~50,000*

While our carpet bombing definitely killed civilians, if you talk to guys that were there, they'll tell you that the enemy was often civilians, children included and it was kill or be killed.

Thanks. It was a rhetorical question I asked, knowing the numbers, to demonstrate the utter historical pig-ignorance on the part of the individual I was responding to.

what does brave have to do with anything ?

that clan had a lot of holdings all over. to be fair, LBJ did not anticipate things were turning to shit as they were but he made sure there were "advisers" on hand to keep an eye on things.