[KitRittyTug]

We could always end the fighting in Iraq.

[PristisoliTer]

Does anybody give a shit? Remember when the media laid out the reality of war during Vietnam and we all got intimate with the price our kids paid every day? See anything like that on the news since our first action in Iraq? Nothing. Zip. It's like it isn't even happening. Has any President come on TV and explained why our kids are dying every week over there? Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama - all the same! Does anybody expect that, at least once a year, the President would address the nation and explain why mothers keep losing sons and daughters keep losing fathers?

Does anybody give a shit?????

Excellent question and last remark!

Before you guys poo poo me, yes I served in the US military.

The problem I find with this site and most of you saying let's go to war, let's nuke that country, they are bad people...those of you at the age where you can enlist WON"T and those of you who could have enlist DIDN"T!

It's alright as long as you get someone else to do your dirty work for you!

Another thing, as an ex-military person I get sick and tired of reading post saying men and women join the military to:

Protect the flag
Protect free speech
Protect democratic rights

No one wakes up in the morning and these things cross their mind. They do so to get training in a trade to lift their employment opportunities when they are discharged, some to prevent there self from being homeless in the streets and a few others to avoid incarceration.

You DON'T honor your war dead by continuing to go to war, you do so by preventing wars from happening in the 1st place. If you [as a nation] continue to go to war all past lives lost are done in vain. Means you have learned nothing and your not progressing towards a peaceful existence for ALL.

The ones who say we should be in wars from the comfort of your living room armchairs and computer desk you havent got a clue what war is really about. You are the same ones who do nothing when return service men and women return with long term mental and physical scars from being in wars. I havent seen one thread that address this issue. Plenty of threads war mongering asking OTHERS to place THEIR lives in jeopardy on your behalf.

If you say war deaths are a necessity, why aren't you joining the que or sending your brothers or sons into the military. IF you think it's HONORABLE why do you fight the re introduction of the Draft making it mandatory to serve in the military as it is in other countries?

War should be the exception not the norm!

[Tauntenue]

Excellent question and last remark!

Before you guys poo poo me, yes I served in the US military.

The problem I find with this site and most of you saying let's go to war, let's nuke that country, they are bad people...those of you at the age where you can enlist WON"T and those of you who could have enlist DIDN"T!

It's alright as long as you get someone else to do your dirty work for you!

Another thing, as an ex-military person I get sick and tired of reading post saying men and women join the military to:

Protect the flag
Protect free speech
Protect democratic rights

No one wakes up in the morning and these things cross their mind. They do so to get training in a trade to lift their employment opportunities when they are discharged, some to prevent there self from being homeless in the streets and a few others to avoid incarceration.

You DON'T honor your war dead by continuing to go to war, you do so by preventing wars from happening in the 1st place. If you [as a nation] continue to go to war all past lives lost are done in vain. Means you have learned nothing and your not progressing towards a peaceful existence for ALL.

The ones who say we should be in wars from the comfort of your living room armchairs and computer desk you havent got a clue what war is really about. You are the same ones who do nothing when return service men and women return with long term mental and physical scars from being in wars. I havent seen one thread that address this issue. Plenty of threads war mongering asking OTHERS to place THEIR lives in jeopardy on your behalf.

If you say war deaths are a necessity, why aren't you joining the que or sending your brothers or sons into the military. IF you think it's HONORABLE why do you fight the re introduction of the Draft making it mandatory to serve in the military as it is in other countries?

War should be the exception not the norm!

Don't try to speak for honorable men and women. You are incapable.

[gennickO]

I haven't been there, therefore I can only answer; "yes, I care and want them home safely".

The rest of your comments need to be directed to the proper individuals however. Ask the media as to why they suddenly stop all the war hyperboil since Obama came into charge. Ask the soldiers as to why they think their lives are worth risking fighting over there (they reenlisted over and over).

My point is that the soldiers should know why, and so should the rest of us. The soldiers are fighting for their country. That's what they do. They assume there is a good reason. You can't have soldiers questioning tactics, but you want them to buy into the strategy. They will die to take a hill if it's part of a strategy. I don't know anybody who knows what the strategy is. I'd like the President to clue us in, wouldn't you?

[Barryrich]

My point is that the soldiers should know why, and so should the rest of us. The soldiers are fighting for their country. That's what they do. They assume there is a good reason.

There was. Bush needed to support his reelection campaign.
You can't have soldiers questioning tactics, but you want them to buy into the strategy. They will die to take a hill if it's part of a strategy. I don't know anybody who knows what the strategy is. I'd like the President to clue us in, wouldn't you?

[Nakforappealp]

There was. Bush needed to support his reelection campaign.

at what point do you place responsibility on the current commander and chief?

Is this where you put a laughing icon? This is funny shit to you?

[TobaccoNUE]

at what point do you place responsibility on the current commander and chief?

I already do. However, one major reason for the invasion appears to be Bush's need for reelection advertisement material. Why they are there now is simple: because Bush and Obama did not order them to withdraw and because Congress keeps sending them money/supplies.
Is this where you put a laughing icon? This is funny shit to you? I suppose I am getting fucked by the government because they force me and other Americans to pay for that useless shit that actually harms America, but some of the support I see/have seen for the occupation is certainly funny. The whole "defending America" stuff. As in, people actually think those troops defend America or fight for America (besides in the sense that America pays them).

[addyta.org]

My point is that the soldiers should know why, and so should the rest of us. The soldiers are fighting for their country. That's what they do. They assume there is a good reason. You can't have soldiers questioning tactics, but you want them to buy into the strategy. They will die to take a hill if it's part of a strategy. I don't know anybody who knows what the strategy is. I'd like the President to clue us in, wouldn't you?

I agree. The President has no interest in national defense or foreign policy. Unfortunately were stuck with him for another 3 years.

[Centurnion]

It's there, but it's in the current equivalent media location that page 23 of the newspaper used to be.
Because no one cares enough for the media to hype it, if they cared the media would be all over it, the media brings people the news people want.

*agrees with Goober*

aye mate, aye.

i been sayin' this everytime i see one 'o them lurid Jviehe tribute threads moanin' about how deaths 'o our servicemen aren't in the news.

the mighty goober speaks the plain truth here. the reason 'tis not reported on, is that americans.....don't....care.

- MeadHallPirate

[Peertantyb]

Hmmm the MEDIA puts the fear in you to go to war after being manipulated by rich bankers and the government and only NOW you ask why or how long or who's paying for it!

The president did not come into your home, call you up on the phone about this topic or any other! Your CURRENT president didnt start the war and you didnt demand that his predecessor end it. YOU all were gun ho after 911 which you know was a lie! Where is George these days....you dont see or hear from him like past presidents!

Now all your doing is trying to find someone to blame, anyone but yourself because you fell for a propaganda campaign of FEAR in order to get YOU to support going to war in the 1st place!

Your reserve bank owned and ran by PRIVATE civilian bankers,bilderberg group are behind you going to war because they make PROFITS from war and will keep you at war in order to achieve a centralized bank and government which benefits them.

This has been completely laid out in a doc-film called Zeitgeist and the full version can still be found online for you to view. I challenge all of you patriots to download it and view it. It was made and produced by american journalist, ex-cia agents and other prominent govt officials.

Then come back and challenge me and say I"M the nut case-racist that doesnt know what he's talking about. Mind you, my opinion of whats going on in this world were formed way before I viewed it. It only puts in clear concise words covering religion,governments and how the MEDIA is used to manipulate you.

[Ygd2qr8k]

there used to be running tallies, and time magazine ran it as front page news monthly... then obama was elected,

...and now it's like it doesn't matter anymore. I noticed this as well. The constant whining in the NYT's is now strangely absent. The AP and Reuters don't incessantly complain about it anymore.

I wonder why.

[Todilrdc]

...and now it's like it doesn't matter anymore. I noticed this as well. The constant whining in the NYT's is now strangely absent. The AP and Reuters don't incessantly complain about it anymore.

I wonder why.

Laughing.....what happened to those saying the MEDIA picks stories base on what the people want! Brittony with no panties, Sex Addiction you want to know about these things....you dont want to hear about american soldiers getting killed if that's the case!


If you buy into that media crap that you want to know, why arent you accepting the premise that you DONT want to hear about deaths!




You wonder why.......the men behind the scenes want the wars to continue and like vietnam if they keep reminding you a war on Terrorism cant be won no more than a war on CRIME or DRUGS can, you wont support them anymore would you!

The list before served a purpose....to wind you up, instill fear and hate in you so they could continue the war effort not to end it!