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Old 08-29-2012, 10:31 PM   #21
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There are different types of colonization. US colonization is like a remote controll: you press a button and watch various shows untill you decide you don't like it and by pressing a button either turn the TV off or change the channel...
Alma, I like you analogy and I think I understand what you're saying now. I think I also agree with it, to a degree. What I also think though is that we seem to suck at this game as those channels seem to end up playing what they want in the end anyways.
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:31 PM   #22
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But the US doesn't really colonize so I'm not sure what the point is. Did you know the largest oil contract that Iraq has given out was to Russia? Also, there has been many instances where Iraq and Iran have had diplomatic relations. Basically, what it looks like, is that Iraq is really doing it's own thing despite our presence there and the fact that we help set up their government. Why is that? Well, they are not particularly beholden to us like you seem to think so. If the US is colonizing they are doing a piss poor job at it, so much so, that it would be hard to classify it as colonization.
Thie above gives weight to the contention that despite conventional wisdom, the Mid-East conflicts are not about oil, but about military-industrial contracts.
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:31 PM   #23
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Where in the world has that ever not happened? There isn't one significant civilization I can think of that hasn't kicked someone else's ass to expand their territory.
Yes, this is the WAY of mankind, isn't it? To sit back and mourn "what is" and "what was" is an exericse in futility. The history of mankind is a history of one group fighting and killing another group. We seem to be hardwired for it. And I don't think we are fighting and killing others just for the fun of it, but for some sort of economic gain. One could say the greed for another's riches has driven us. It still drives us today, and you can see it in economic systems, in so called "civilized" Nations.
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:31 PM   #24
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Yes, this is the WAY of mankind, isn't it? To sit back and mourn "what is" and "what was" is an exericse in futility. The history of mankind is a history of one group fighting and killing another group. We seem to be hardwired for it. And I don't think we are fighting and killing others just for the fun of it, but for some sort of economic gain. One could say the greed for another's riches has driven us. It still drives us today, and you can see it in economic systems, in so called "civilized" Nations.
Yes, and anyone who thinks that the US foreign legion is in the Mid-East to provide democracy and a better life for Muslims need only read about Operation Ajax.
America, Iran, and Operation Ajax: The Burden of the Past by Steven LaTulippe
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:31 PM   #25
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Thie above gives weight to the contention that despite conventional wisdom, the Mid-East conflicts are not about oil, but about military-industrial contracts.
The two are connected at the hip !
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:31 PM   #26
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Just who of importance other than our partners in crime are "actually" friendly to us?
By what metric would you like to see it measured?

And what do you mean by "friendly".

I can't really think of more than a handful of nations that are overtly hostile toward the U.S. - at least rhetorically - and I wouldn't put a great deal of weight on the polling of individual citizens since opinion is rarely a driver of policy on a national level.

I think that for the most part the community of nations if pretty favorably disposed toward the United States.
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:32 PM   #27
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By what metric would you like to see it measured?

And what do you mean by "friendly".

I can't really think of more than a handful of nations that are overtly hostile toward the U.S. - at least rhetorically - and I wouldn't put a great deal of weight on the polling of individual citizens since opinion is rarely a driver of policy on a national level.

I think that for the most part the community of nations if pretty favorably disposed toward the United States.
I thought I had said significant countries insofar as military strength and capability is concerned.

If push came to shove aren't we talking about Great Britain and France ?

What about a coalition of Russia, China, Iran and a few of the others we have jerked around with military or adverse actions on one side against The U.S., Great Britain, France,Canada and WHO ? Look at the chart I indicate below and show me the winning line up and why it would be such.

List of countries by number of troops - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the armament of:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...tary_equipment

If the above happened how much oil (energy) would they control ? The opposition could simply march or roll their tanks to the points of conflict and our carriers would become white elephants with the daily improvement of search and destroy technique's.advancing.
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:32 PM   #28
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By what metric would you like to see it measured?

And what do you mean by "friendly".

I can't really think of more than a handful of nations that are overtly hostile toward the U.S. - at least rhetorically - and I wouldn't put a great deal of weight on the polling of individual citizens since opinion is rarely a driver of policy on a national level.

I think that for the most part the community of nations if pretty favorably disposed toward the United States.
I thought I had said significant countries insofar as military strength and capability is concerned.

If push came to shove aren't we talking about Great Britain and France ?

What about a coalition of Russia, China, Iran and a few of the others we have jerked around with military or adverse actions on one side against The U.S., Great Britain, France,Canada and WHO ? Look at the chart I indicate below and show me the winning line up and why it would be such.

List of countries by number of troops - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And the Armament:

List of countries by level of military equipment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:32 PM   #29
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What about the fact that America was a British colony, Canada a British and French colony, Austrailia was a British colony, ect and they've done one hellava job at it so far? Does this not speak to the culture rather than the environment? Does it always have to be someone else's fault for that person's failure?
Canada WAS a French colony until we kicked the French out.
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:32 PM   #30
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Canada WAS a French colony until we kicked the French out.
They are still there...
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