Hey I agree. The govt does still fund a lot of fundamental research at universities, much of stuff the private sector would never do even though it benefits them in the long run.

+1. Wonderfully put.

As in basic common sense. Something one party has completely abandoned as they've been consumed by ideology. Anyone who disagrees with the full text that Shosh quoted is disconnected from the reality of their own lives.

the internet was called DARPA back in the day and it for government/instituional research only.
Not many people had access to it until the early 90's. It was planned properly but not for the massive flood of
internet traffic we have today.

Its more of the same old class warfare that he in pushing on us. Remember, Obama is a big fan of sol Alinkski who wrote "rules for radicals".
Sol believed in divide and conquer strategies to achieve goals. This is what Obama is doing. He is dividing this nation, rich versus poor, in order to achieve his goals.
Anyone who believes Obama is pro-free market has to be an idiot.

oh I can hear the "you're a racist" rants being thrown at me already.

letting the Bush tax cuts expire is a "feel good" initiative from the liberals. Actually its more of the same class warfare crap that will succeed in nothing. Letting them expire will not put a dent in the deficit.

the internet was never called DARPA. DARPA is the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency. It was created in 1958 in response to the Russians launching Sputnik.

correction. It was called ARPANET which was funded by DARPA.

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//Flame on for going the FDK/Gio route

As I said, eat a Big Mac every day because you need cholesterol to live.

So assuming that we all agree that one of the primary reason's government exists is to encourage economic activity (i.e. business), shouldn't we complain when the burden of government becomes counter-productive towards that end? In other words, anarchy isn't good for business. But government in its current size retards economic growth as well. So it does stuff we should support plus thousands of other things that aren't helpful.

Eight Reasons Big Government Hurts Economic Growth: Eight Reasons Why Big Government Hurts Economic Growth - YouTube
This video references studies that show that big government retards growth: The Empirical Evidence Against Big Government - YouTube
And this video references the Rahn Curve, which tries to describe the optimum level of government spending for economic growth: The Rahn Curve and the Growth-Maximizing Level of Government - YouTube

they'll flame you because what can I say "a picture can say a thousand words!" that they can't argue back at.

Doesn't the "that" in the quote refer to roads, power grids, infrastructure type stuff?

Not entirely sure what the hubbub is about here.

Hopefully someone can post some pictures....:yawn:

Disconnected????

The conclusion to all this is the scary, regardless of how you interpret the quote itself. Whether it's "your business doesn't really belong to you" or "your business exists because other people and services helped you get there," his end desired result is still collectivist BS.

I know exactly what he meant but it doesn't really matter how he meant it as we all know what he was getting at. His fatal flaw is making federal policy decisions based on collectivist ideals where private business can only thrive with the heavy hand of government guiding it. That's the scary part, not some quote.

If you do not get it you are the who is disconnected from your own life.

Capisce Paisan?

Not what that quote meant, and I'm fairly certain you know it. Come on Nick, that's FKD level stuff right there.

This is closer to (I believe) the intended meaning. Although I don't think it was meant with the negative subtext that you are (intentionally or not) reading into it. Look, I get that you are very much a Libertarian wrt this stuff but I really think all he was saying was that the American system (and to a certain extent, it's citizenry) that assisted private business men and women, and that is a good thing! But because they were assisted by the collective (scare quotes incoming?) it is not all too much to ask that they pay slightly more when it comes to taxes. Did you even read the whole speech, or just the scaaaaaary part that people have been c&p-ing on the internet (and putting into clever pictures!)

I’ve got a different idea. I do believe we can cut -- we’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don’t work, and make government work more efficiently. (Applause.) Not every government program works the way it’s supposed to. And frankly, government can’t solve every problem. If somebody doesn’t want to be helped, government can’t always help them. Parents -- we can put more money into schools, but if your kids don’t want to learn it’s hard to teach them. (Applause.)

you're right. and that is what Obama is implying.

Guffaw.

yep...laugh because you know its true.

http://www.philadelphiaspeaks.com/fo...milies/lol.gif if it's all the same to you, I'll just continue laughing at your impressive amount of ignorance with regards to, well...just about everything. Kudos!

ignorance how?
Obama is the biggest anti-free market president we have ever had.
If you really think that this Obama supports small business your insane.