[TudareWQT]

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=679986

Donald Trump took to YouTube to complain about Jon Stewart's "Daily Show" routine about Herman Cain's sexual harassment accusations, accusing Stewart of a "very, very racist rant" -- and critiques of a double standard.

"How come Jon Stewart gets away with a very, very racist rant about Herman Cain? Nobody else could pull that off. Where is Rev. [Jesse] Jackson? Where is Rev. [Al] Sharpton? Where are all the critics that if somebody else did it, it would be a disaster?" Trump asked in his video, viewed 18,000 times by Wednesday morning.

When did Donald Trump become the advocate for the African-American community? I watched the show and it didn't come off as racist. He tries to do impersonations and half the time doesn't do so well but he's not an impersonator. He's a comedian and his show is satire. Yeah he's super liberal but the last year or so he's been digging into both parties.

Here's the incident:
Asked by FOX News if he had ever had to pay anyone to resolve harassment claims, Cain responded, "outside of the Restaurant Association, absolutely not."

Stewart ridiculed the response, saying it was like answering a question about whether you've ever kidnapped a baby by saying, "Well, other than the Lindbergh boy, no." He made the joke in a voice Trump interpreted as an imitation of Cain's.

Stewart is well known for ethnic accents, and did an Italian one during the Cain segment, when he joked about sexual innuendos involving pizza.

So Trump had no issue with the Italian accent impersonation but somehow the Cain impersonation was racist? He didn't say it any "stereotypical" black way. He did his impersonation of Cain's voice and was making a joke on the way Cain answered the question. How come Trump doesn't say he's "racist" when Stewart does his Obama voice?

I think Trump just likes to hear himself talk. People can have opinions against a black man and have the opinion because of the guy's principles or responses and not because of his skin color or ethnicity. Not everything said against a black person is racist.

[primaveraloler]

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=679986

Donald Trump took to YouTube to complain about Jon Stewart's "Daily Show" routine about Herman Cain's sexual harassment accusations, accusing Stewart of a "very, very racist rant" -- and critiques of a double standard.

"How come Jon Stewart gets away with a very, very racist rant about Herman Cain? Nobody else could pull that off. Where is Rev. [Jesse] Jackson? Where is Rev. [Al] Sharpton? Where are all the critics that if somebody else did it, it would be a disaster?" Trump asked in his video, viewed 18,000 times by Wednesday morning.

When did Donald Trump become the advocate for the African-American community? I watched the show and it didn't come off as racist. He tries to do impersonations and half the time doesn't do so well but he's not an impersonator. He's a comedian and his show is satire. Yeah he's super liberal but the last year or so he's been digging into both parties.

Here's the incident:
Asked by FOX News if he had ever had to pay anyone to resolve harassment claims, Cain responded, "outside of the Restaurant Association, absolutely not."

Stewart ridiculed the response, saying it was like answering a question about whether you've ever kidnapped a baby by saying, "Well, other than the Lindbergh boy, no." He made the joke in a voice Trump interpreted as an imitation of Cain's.

Stewart is well known for ethnic accents, and did an Italian one during the Cain segment, when he joked about sexual innuendos involving pizza.

So Trump had no issue with the Italian accent impersonation but somehow the Cain impersonation was racist? He didn't say it any "stereotypical" black way. He did his impersonation of Cain's voice and was making a joke on the way Cain answered the question. How come Trump doesn't say he's "racist" when Stewart does his Obama voice?

I think Trump just likes to hear himself talk. People can have opinions against a black man and have the opinion because of the guy's principles or responses and not because of his skin color or ethnicity. Not everything said against a black person is racist.

Except for everything said against Obama when he was running for president. Well, in the eyes of liberals, that is.

[rozneesitcn]

Except for everything said against Obama when he was running for president. Well, in the eyes of liberals, that is.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[DiBellaBam]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

But three rights makes a left.

I'm not saying it does. I just find it interesting that in the 2008 elections, anyone who remotely questioned Obama's character had their motives automatically assigned as race-based by the MSM. Yet when a "truly" black candidate is running, the same standard doesn't apply. The only difference is the party of the candidate. So what conclusion should be drawn?

[Dilangos]

But three rights makes a left.

I'm not saying it does. I just find it interesting that in the 2008 elections, anyone who remotely questioned Obama's character had their motives automatically assigned as race-based by the MSM.

I don't believe that's true.

Yet when a "truly" black candidate is running, the same standard doesn't apply. The only difference is the party of the candidate. So what conclusion should be drawn? I guess I can't draw a conclusion since I don't accept your first premise.

Some of the criticism of both, may be racist....don't think this is one of them.

I think "some" people assigned false racist motivations to people who criticized Obama. And "some" people are assigning false racist motivations to people who criticize Cain. Chuckleheads come in all ideologies.

[Snitiendumurn]

Nevetheless, it does not bother me one bit if a Presidential candidate hit on some chicks 12 years ago.

[Enfotanab]

I don't believe that's true.

Obviously there was some exagerration in my statment, but by and large it was out there. There was even a thread here linking to an article in one of the major news outlets where they basically said the only reason people won't vote for Obama is because of racism.

[Oppofeescom]

Obviously there was some exagerration in my statment, but by and large it was out there. There was even a thread here linking to an article in one of the major news outlets where they basically said the only reason people won't vote for Obama is because of racism.

Well, the OP is a major news organization article about a conservative saying Jon Stewart is a racist.

So, I guess it would now be fair for me to say "anyone who remotely makes fun of Cain is being labeled a racist by the mainstream media and conservatives."?

I mean, okay, I exaggerated a little bit...but it is by and large out there.

What's worse...is conservatives complained about that in 2008 and are now doing it themselves...which makes them hypocrites to boot, yeah?

[mr.videomen]

Well, the OP is a major news organization article about a conservative saying Jon Stewart is a racist.

So, I guess it would now be fair for me to say "anyone who remotely makes fun of Cain is being labeled a racist by the mainstream media and conservatives."?

I mean, okay, I exaggerated a little bit...but it is by and large out there.

What's worse...is conservatives complained about that in 2008 and are now doing it themselves...which makes them hypocrites to boot, yeah?

Or they're giving liberals a taste of their own medicine.

I'm fully in favor of folks - on either side of the political spectrum - pointing out the hypocrisy of the other. It's hypocritical of the MSM to not treat Cain as they treated Obama. It's hypocritical for conservatives to now do what they decried 3 years ago.

[IvJlNwum]

Or they're giving liberals a taste of their own medicine.

I'm fully in favor of folks - on either side of the political spectrum - pointing out the hypocrisy of the other. It's hypocritical of the MSM to not treat Cain as they treated Obama. It's hypocritical for conservatives to now do what they decried 3 years ago.

In the meantime...Trump is full of shit.

and Cain is "playing the race card"

[Soulofpostar]

I have posted before that I have sat back and chuckled quite a bit in the past several months, watching the Dems say the exact same things the GOP said prior to 2008. In fact I have seen a bit of that here on the MTF.

Sure two wrongs don't make a right. It just makes everyone involved a hypocrite.

[cajonnmu]

I think it's interesting how "racially incensed" today's discussions have become. Overwhelming political correctness. I agree with TJ's assertion that all involved are hypocrites. It's like we've hit on some new retro 1960-1970's mentality in full swing. A brand new Nam, a brand new regression to racial segregation (mostly imagined), and a brand new Hippie movement.

[Navzrrqt]

Nevetheless, it does not bother me one bit if a Presidential candidate hit on some chicks 12 years ago.

Hitting on women? That's not the problem.

Hitting on women employees when you are the boss? That's a problem.

[b7RKli4l]

Hitting on women? That's not the problem.

Hitting on women employees when you are the boss? That's a problem.

As far as I'm concerned he handled the problem 12 years ago and it's over.

Now, I probably won't vote for Cain...but it won't be because of this.

[LINETFAD]

How is Jon Stewart racist against Cain? If he was making fun of a black man, it'd be different - but he was making fun of Cain!

[Speareerfug]

How is Jon Stewart racist against Cain? If he was making fun of a black man, it'd be different - but he was making fun of Cain!

Right question, wrong explanation, but I'm thinking you know that already.

[QqJamxqP]

Right question, wrong explanation, but I'm thinking you know that already.

Hey, I'm just saying - if black people can eagerly take in people Teena Marie, Hall & Oates, Larry Bird, Bill Clinton, and Michael McDonald as their own; it's only fair that we also extend our hand!

[syncFisee]

Hey, I'm just saying - if black people can eagerly take in people Teena Marie, Hall & Oates, Larry Bird, Bill Clinton, and Michael McDonald as their own; it's only fair that we also extend our hand!

Sure if we're of the mentality that "black is a state of mind" then sure, why not make it exclusive? But I've never known a proper use of the term "racist" that applies towards a state of mind.

[Buyemae]

Sure if we're of the mentality that "black is a state of mind" then sure, why not make it exclusive? But I've never known a proper use of the term "racist" that applies towards a state of mind.

Well, not quite. Technically, the terms "White American" and "Black American/African American" are ethnicities. As we all know, ethnicity and race are not synonymous.

For example, a Latino can be racially white, black, or whatever; but their ethnicity is Latino. Kazakhs can look be as white as a European or as Asian as a Chinese person, but ethnically, they're Kazakhs.

Converse examples are true as well. For all I know, you can be "German," Shrike could be "Irish," and WildJokers could be "Polish," and as far as I know, I'm just a WASP (but without the "P" since I'm atheist). But, culturally - there's really no difference between us. We're white, we're in America, we eat similar foods, and we listen to genres of music that originated in the US - there's nothing German or Irish about us.

This brings me to the overall point - seeing as how ethnicity can operate independently of race, being of a particular race is not a pre-requisite to be a part of an ethnicity.

Cain might be racially black, but he's ethnically white.

[cheesypeetyz]

Well, not quite. Technically, the terms "White American" and "Black American/African American" are ethnicities. As we all know, ethnicity and race are not synonymous.

For example, a Latino can be racially white, black, or whatever; but their ethnicity is Latino. Kazakhs can look be as white as a European or as Asian as a Chinese person, but ethnically, they're Kazakhs.

Converse examples are true as well. For all I know, you can be "German," Shrike could be "Irish," and WildJokers could be "Polish," and as far as I know, I'm just a WASP (but without the "P" since I'm atheist). But, culturally - there's really no difference between us. We're white, we're in America, we eat similar foods, and we listen to genres of music that originated in the US - there's nothing German or Irish about us.

This brings me to the overall point - seeing as how ethnicity can operate independently of race, being of a particular race is not a pre-requisite to be a part of an ethnicity.

Cain might be racially black, but he's ethnically white.

Umm, "Latino" is the Ethnicity, White or Black are terms of "race". You were partially right. "American" is a term of nationality. Your point though is flawed, people may choose not to use the "racial terms" of "black" or "white" as the descriptor, but it is still nonetheless a part of the package whether someone chose to include it or not.