[iqxdvjgmat]

Rest easy citizens, no brown people will be hijacking your plane today!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44501310...1#.Tm-dVKg3G_J
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011...gers-detained/
http://shebshi.wordpress.com/2011/09...ed-in-detroit/

Reminds me of a few days before I left Camp Lejeune - I parked my car in a lot right outside base with a black trash bag outside my passenger door... and a concerned citizen called the cops on me. Luckily for me nothing came of it, but still - aren't we a bunch of cowardly little dipshits!

Oh and on another note - don't forget to do a functions check on your gas masks and tin foil hats today!

[Klorissana]

In fairness, had the plane been blown up and those officers not had done this, imagine the wrath! The entire country would hate them for not doing their job, and likely even have legal consequences. Worst case scenario...we wasted peoples day and some money. Worst case by not acting...hundreds of deaths. Even beyond the deaths, fear would grip the nation once again.

At the same time, I'm not understanding what the female did? She didn't use the bathroom nor even sat next to those men. The only connection I see is her ethnicity. That's wrong on so many levels.

I feel us becoming more and more a police state. I'm actually debating entering law enforcement just so I can stay semi safe these days. The average citizen seems to have no authority.

[auctionlover]

An unfortunate overreaction? Yes. An excpected consequence of the times? Equally yes.

In situations like this I normally ask.........what was the alternative?

[ayWCZ7VT]

In fairness, had the plane been blown up and those officers not had done this, imagine the wrath! The entire country would hate them for not doing their job, and likely even have legal consequences. Worst case scenario...we wasted peoples day and some money. Worst case by not acting...hundreds of deaths. Even beyond the deaths, fear would grip the nation once again.

Yeah okay. Sure.

At the same time, I'm not understanding what the female did? She didn't use the bathroom nor even sat next to those men. The only connection I see is her ethnicity. That's wrong on so many levels.

I feel us becoming more and more a police state. I'm actually debating entering law enforcement just so I can stay semi safe these days. The average citizen seems to have no authority. The way I see it? There are two Americas. Reasonable common-sense Blue America on the coasts. And idiot brainwashed inbred Red America in the Midwest and deep South. Bush got elected twice not because of the sensible liberals on the coasts, but because of the mindless Christian morons in the Bible Belt. Sikhs who are assaulted or persecuted because they look like Muslims - this isn't liberals, this is AGAIN mindless Christian morons acting out the idiocy they were taught by Fox News. Its not liberals who beat up a Jewish man because he had the nerve to say "Happy Hanuka", that was AGAIN mindless Christian morons acting out their baseless prejudices.

/rant off

Sorry, just had to get that out of my system.

[PPActionnGuys]

Yeah okay. Sure.



The way I see it? There are two Americas. Reasonable common-sense Blue America on the coasts. And idiot brainwashed inbred Red America in the Midwest and deep South. Bush got elected twice not because of the sensible liberals on the coasts, but because of the mindless Christian morons in the Bible Belt. Sikhs who are assaulted or persecuted because they look like Muslims - this isn't liberals, this is AGAIN mindless Christian morons acting out the idiocy they were taught by Fox News. Its not liberals who beat up a Jewish man because he had the nerve to say "Happy Hanuka", that was AGAIN mindless Christian morons acting out their baseless prejudices.

/rant off

Sorry, just had to get that out of my system.

Wow – I would just like to make sure I’m understanding what you’re saying: that those who are liberal minded have more common sense than those are conservative? Or that every single person who lives in the Midwest is a “mindless Christan moron?” Or that all people in the Midwest are “brainwashed and inbred?”
I’m from the Midwest. I am neither conservative or liberal – I agree with things on both sides and disagree with things on both sides. Yes there are a lot more conservatives in the Midwest than on either coasts; however, we are not “brainwashed inbreds” nor are we all “mindless Christian morons.”
You say it isn’t liberals who will persecute someone who “looks Muslim” except when the attack in Norway happened every single news site said “suspected Muslim extremists.” There are liberal morons out there who will discriminate just as much as a conservative (read your post for example).
I don’t think I’ve really met a “sensible” liberal or conservative quite honestly sir. But to sit there and stereotype an entire region comes off to me as you being a hypocrite, i.e. generalizing an entire population based on the actions of a few. Are there racists or homophobes in the Midwest and South? Of course – as well as on the coasts.
Quite honestly from the time I’ve spent on both coasts, there are plenty of “mindless idiots” to go around. I have enjoyed living on the East Coast but I’ll take the Midwest any day. A lot of people I’ve met in the military have stated that they have never met more polite, courteous and helpful people than when they’ve been in the Midwest. I had a SGM tell me that he was shocked when he was stationed in Kansas and he lived off post. No one knew him or his family but yet while he was away TDY and his wife was pregnant and was outside attempting to shovel snow from her driveway to get out, a bunch of neighbors came out to help. He wasn’t used to that being from California. He said that people wouldn’t normally help a stranger out. Same thing if you’re driving on the highway and you see a car stranded, you’ll likely see at least two other cars pulled over trying to help. I’ve had people – complete strangers – stop and help me when I was at home.
I guess everyone has their generalizations and there isn’t much to do to change that. Those of us who are from the Midwest know the truth. Every region in this country has its bigots, racists, homophobes, etc. If you do not like it when people generalize when someone “looks like a Muslim” do not go and do the same thing.

Rant also finished

[actioliGalm]

In regards to the article(s), I really don't understand how the woman was involved? I think she was just sitting in the same row as them right? I understand that in the 9/12 world we have to be cautious but there is a dramatic difference between caution and paranoia.

What if this had been the scenario - two non-Muslim "looking" people continuous got up and went to the bathroom and spent "long periods" inside. Would the same action have resulted? If I - a Caucasian female - were to just get up and repeatedly use the bathroom on a plane, I think the question I would get is "Are you okay?" and I doubt that fighter jets and police would be called in.

[indianstory]

No JB, they're gonna ask if you're interested in joining the Mile High Club!!!

[nikolapegayyyaasss]

Wow – I would just like to make sure I’m understanding what you’re saying: that those who are liberal minded have more common sense than those are conservative? Or that every single person who lives in the Midwest is a “mindless Christan moron?” Or that all people in the Midwest are “brainwashed and inbred?”

I had the misfortune to be stuck in North Carolina for almost four years. I stand by my statement.
I’m from the Midwest. I am neither conservative or liberal – I agree with things on both sides and disagree with things on both sides. Yes there are a lot more conservatives in the Midwest than on either coasts; however, we are not “brainwashed inbreds” nor are we all “mindless Christian morons.” You say it isn’t liberals who will persecute someone who “looks Muslim” except when the attack in Norway happened every single news site said “suspected Muslim extremists.” There are liberal morons out there who will discriminate just as much as a conservative (read your post for example). Europe is a wide variety of cultures all distinct and in many ways totally different than the USA, they have left wings and right wings too - but they're all different and have wildly different viewpoints than our liberals/conservatives.
I don’t think I’ve really met a “sensible” liberal or conservative quite honestly sir. But to sit there and stereotype an entire region comes off to me as you being a hypocrite, i.e. generalizing an entire population based on the actions of a few. Are there racists or homophobes in the Midwest and South? Of course – as well as on the coasts.
Quite honestly from the time I’ve spent on both coasts, there are plenty of “mindless idiots” to go around. I have enjoyed living on the East Coast but I’ll take the Midwest any day. A lot of people I’ve met in the military have stated that they have never met more polite, courteous and helpful people than when they’ve been in the Midwest. I had a SGM tell me that he was shocked when he was stationed in Kansas and he lived off post. No one knew him or his family but yet while he was away TDY and his wife was pregnant and was outside attempting to shovel snow from her driveway to get out, a bunch of neighbors came out to help. He wasn’t used to that being from California. He said that people wouldn’t normally help a stranger out. Same thing if you’re driving on the highway and you see a car stranded, you’ll likely see at least two other cars pulled over trying to help. I’ve had people – complete strangers – stop and help me when I was at home.
I guess everyone has their generalizations and there isn’t much to do to change that. Those of us who are from the Midwest know the truth. Every region in this country has its bigots, racists, homophobes, etc. If you do not like it when people generalize when someone “looks like a Muslim” do not go and do the same thing. You're right, not every single person living in these areas is an idiot, but these states do have higher concentrations of idiots than the rest of the union. Look at the stats. There are more zealot Jesus-freaks in the Midwest and South than in liberal areas like New England. These people swing elections, and are dangerous both to our democracy and to the world.

Rant also finished Feels good to get a good rant off your chest once in a while, don't it?

[Habalinnyf]

I had the misfortune to be stuck in North Carolina for almost four years. I stand by my statement.


Europe is a wide variety of cultures all distinct and in many ways totally different than the USA, they have left wings and right wings too - but they're all different and have wildly different viewpoints than our liberals/conservatives.


You're right, not every single person living in these areas is an idiot, but these states do have higher concentrations of idiots than the rest of the union. Look at the stats. There are more zealot Jesus-freaks in the Midwest and South than in liberal areas like New England. These people swing elections, and are dangerous both to our democracy and to the world.



Feels good to get a good rant off your chest once in a while, don't it?

Hmm - you've been to North Carolina so that means all of the south or all of the Midwest is like that? I stand by my comment of your hypocrisy.

What does Europe have to do with the US?

Please share with me the "stats" that you speak of. You sound very bitter towards people who believe in a religion. Not all Christians are "Jesus freaks." That's like saying all Muslims are terrorists. I'm not a religious person but I respect people's beliefs. Are there Bible-spouting people in these areas who push their agendas? Of course. Just like when I talk to people and tell them where I'm from and they seem shocked that towns with only hundreds of people exist and even more shocked that there are places without stoplights, etc.

Any religious extremist or zealot is dangerous but they exist throughout the country - not just in one area. How many states in the Midwest or south have you been in? I think it's more dangerous of people to stereotype or generalize honestly.

[TainuibeFaimb]

Hmm - you've been to North Carolina so that means all of the south or all of the Midwest is like that? I stand by my comment of your hypocrisy.

I've gotten around a bit.

What does Europe have to do with the US? I have not the slightest idea, you're the one who brought it up.

Please share with me the "stats" that you speak of. Election data?

You sound very bitter towards people who believe in a religion. I was practically brainwashed from birth with religion. This is why I hate religion, Christianity in particular. Call it a personal prejudice.

Not all Christians are "Jesus freaks." That's like saying all Muslims are terrorists. Isn't that the DEFINITION of a Christian? If you don't love Jesus, what kind of Christian would that person be?

I'm not a religious person but I respect people's beliefs. Are there Bible-spouting people in these areas who push their agendas? Of course. Just like when I talk to people and tell them where I'm from and they seem shocked that towns with only hundreds of people exist and even more shocked that there are places without stoplights, etc. When I was in Kansas City (Missouri side), I was amazed how pretty much every single gas station or 7/11 in the area had those thick windows in front of the cashier - frankly, the entire area was a crime infested slum. With that said, I loved that town. Either I'm just weird, or it had its own strange attractive qualities to it I couldn't quite put my finger on.

Any religious extremist or zealot is dangerous but they exist throughout the country - not just in one area. How many states in the Midwest or south have you been in? North Carolina, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Virginia. Now granted, that's not the entire south and midwest, or anywhere close to it, but its still a pretty large sampling.

I think it's more dangerous of people to stereotype or generalize honestly. I think its more dangerous to allow a radical religion just as twisted and violent as the Taliban (Christianity) to influence American politics.

[mikeydesignzinc]

I've gotten around a bit.



I have not the slightest idea, you're the one who brought it up.



Election data?



I was practically brainwashed from birth with religion. This is why I hate religion, Christianity in particular. Call it a personal prejudice.



Isn't that the DEFINITION of a Christian? If you don't love Jesus, what kind of Christian would that person be?



When I was in Kansas City (Missouri side), I was amazed how pretty much every single gas station or 7/11 in the area had those thick windows in front of the cashier - frankly, the entire area was a crime infested slum. With that said, I loved that town. Either I'm just weird, or it had its own strange attractive qualities to it I couldn't quite put my finger on.



North Carolina, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Virginia. Now granted, that's not the entire south and midwest, or anywhere close to it, but its still a pretty large sampling.



I think its more dangerous to allow a radical religion just as twisted and violent as the Taliban (Christianity) to influence American politics.

No sir, actually you brought up Europe: Europe is a wide variety of cultures all distinct and in many ways totally different than the USA, they have left wings and right wings too - but they're all different and have wildly different viewpoints than our liberals/conservatives.
That's why I asked why you brought it up.

You don't have to be a "freak" to love something - whether it's Jesus or anything else. I know plenty of Christians who aren't what you call "Jesus freaks." They don't go around pushing their religion on me or anyone else so I don't think it's fair to generalize the entire area as that. You would be surprised how many liberals there are in the Midwest quite honestly.

Yes the majority of those states may be "red states" but that does not mean that every single person in those states is conservative or Republican.

Everyone is really brainwashed with religion from birth - no one is born believing in a religion anymore than someone is born believing in Santa Claus or anything else. When we're born, I think we're really just a blank slate. Kids don't think the same way as adults because they haven't been fed and indoctrinated certain things yet. However, just because you hate a religion doesn't mean mock or bash the people who believe in it. That's what is happening to Muslims and I've seen you cry out that it is unfair to treat them all like extremists. Well don't do the same thing to all other religions. I'm not a fan of religion either but I respect other people's believes when they're not throwing it in my face or trying to kill me because of what they think they're religion is.

Religion shouldn't influence politics but quite honestly, it always has. Some of the Founding Fathers were religious, some were just spiritual and some were neither. But you do notice how they included religion into the government? They just didn't want future governments of the U.S. to become like what they fled in England. Also, quite honestly, they never expected the U.S. to last as long as it has. If they could travel in time to the present and see the country (after the shock of technology) I'm sure they would be amazed it lasted so long. Then they would smack all our leaders in government in the head and say "what are you thinking?"

[RG3rGWcA]

No sir, actually you brought up Europe: Europe is a wide variety of cultures all distinct and in many ways totally different than the USA, they have left wings and right wings too - but they're all different and have wildly different viewpoints than our liberals/conservatives.
That's why I asked why you brought it up.

You brought up liberals in Norway, which is part of Europe is it not?

You say it isn’t liberals who will persecute someone who “looks Muslim” except when the attack in Norway happened every single news site said “suspected Muslim extremists.” There are liberal morons out there who will discriminate just as much as a conservative (read your post for example).

You don't have to be a "freak" to love something - whether it's Jesus or anything else. I know plenty of Christians who aren't what you call "Jesus freaks." They don't go around pushing their religion on me or anyone else so I don't think it's fair to generalize the entire area as that. You would be surprised how many liberals there are in the Midwest quite honestly. Oh yes I know there were/are liberals. Heck until just a week ago I was one of them (now I'm in Cali, thank God) - but again, its not the liberals, midwestern or otherwise, voting for right wing stupidity, its the Jesus freaks.

And you're right - not all "Christians" are pushy zealots. But if you're not a pushy zealot, can you really call yourself a Christian? The Bible pretty much orders us to be pushy zealots.

Yes the majority of those states may be "red states" but that does not mean that every single person in those states is conservative or Republican. True.

Everyone is really brainwashed with religion from birth - no one is born believing in a religion anymore than someone is born believing in Santa Claus or anything else. When we're born, I think we're really just a blank slate. Kids don't think the same way as adults because they haven't been fed and indoctrinated certain things yet. However, just because you hate a religion doesn't mean mock or bash the people who believe in it. That's what is happening to Muslims and I've seen you cry out that it is unfair to treat them all like extremists. Well don't do the same thing to all other religions. I'm not a fan of religion either but I respect other people's believes when they're not throwing it in my face or trying to kill me because of what they think they're religion is. Don't get me wrong, you'll never see me on the street belittling or judging someone based on his religious/political beliefs. Sure I'm pretty vocal about it here, but personally - I don't hate on people as individuals.

Religion shouldn't influence politics but quite honestly, it always has. Some of the Founding Fathers were religious, some were just spiritual and some were neither. But you do notice how they included religion into the government? They just didn't want future governments of the U.S. to become like what they fled in England. Also, quite honestly, they never expected the U.S. to last as long as it has. If they could travel in time to the present and see the country (after the shock of technology) I'm sure they would be amazed it lasted so long. Then they would smack all our leaders in government in the head and say "what are you thinking?" ^In complete agreement with this statement.

But I think a big item on the agenda for the 21st century should be eliminating religion all together. That won't stop war, but it will be a step in the right direction.

[AndrewBoss]

You brought up liberals in Norway, which is part of Europe is it not?

You say it isn’t liberals who will persecute someone who “looks Muslim” except when the attack in Norway happened every single news site said “suspected Muslim extremists.” There are liberal morons out there who will discriminate just as much as a conservative (read your post for example).

Oh yes I know there were/are liberals. Heck until just a week ago I was one of them (now I'm in Cali, thank God) - but again, its not the liberals, midwestern or otherwise, voting for right wing stupidity, its the Jesus freaks.

And you're right - not all "Christians" are pushy zealots. But if you're not a pushy zealot, can you really call yourself a Christian? The Bible pretty much orders us to be pushy zealots.


True.



Don't get me wrong, you'll never see me on the street belittling or judging someone based on his religious/political beliefs. Sure I'm pretty vocal about it here, but personally - I don't hate on people as individuals.



^In complete agreement with this statement.

But I think a big item on the agenda for the 21st century should be eliminating religion all together. That won't stop war, but it will be a step in the right direction.

I did not mean liberals in Norway - I was talking about all the news I read in the U.S. about the attacks in Norway. Before they had a suspect, all the news sites in the U.S. were saying it was probably a Muslim extremist who did it. Then they put up the picture of the guy and it's the polar opposite.

I don't think the Bible "orders" anyone to be a pushy zealot - that is on a person's own intepretation which is why we have different denominations today.

I don't agree with religion but I don't think we should get rid of it altogether. I think people should just realize that they're all believing in the same 'god' just in a little different way. If people just agreed on that I think it would solve a lot of problems but I don't think we should take away someone's right to a belief.

[car.insur]

I did not mean liberals in Norway - I was talking about all the news I read in the U.S. about the attacks in Norway. Before they had a suspect, all the news sites in the U.S. were saying it was probably a Muslim extremist who did it. Then they put up the picture of the guy and it's the polar opposite.

Oh okay. That's my bad then. Yes, you're right - but is that so much liberals/conservatives hating on Muslims, or is it just media outlets fear mongering? I will admit that "Muslim terrorists" shooting up a youth camp sounds scarier than "angry white guy".

I don't think the Bible "orders" anyone to be a pushy zealot - that is on a person's own intepretation which is why we have different denominations today.

I don't agree with religion but I don't think we should get rid of it altogether. I think people should just realize that they're all believing in the same 'god' just in a little different way. If people just agreed on that I think it would solve a lot of problems but I don't think we should take away someone's right to a belief. Perhaps - but big picture, what has religion really brought to the table as far as society is concerned?